Wired and Wireless

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6 Apr 2005 2:10 AM

Stuart

Hello,

At the moment I have an ADSL Ethernet 4 port Router.

I use this to connect two PC's to the internet and to each other. It is
a little network with the same workgroup so I can share files and games
and use the internet.

I have two PC's in other rooms.
Can I get a Wireless access point device and plug it in to one of the
spare ports on the ADSL router ?

I have two Wireless NIC's for the other PC's . Will this enable me to
make a network of all four PC'S ? Or will the wireless ones be on a
separate network ? Will the internet go from one port of the ADSL router
to the Wireless Access point and onto the other PC's ?

I dont want to replace the ADSL router because I am of the belief (
maybe mistakenly ) the the wired connection is faster than 54Mps Wireless.

Am I looking at the wrong solution ?

Oh, it is a Microsoft operating system.

Thanks

Stuart

Melbourne , Australia

6 Apr 2005 3:08 AM

Duane Arnold

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Stuart <sg***@tpg.com.au> wrote in news:42534514$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au:

>
> Hello,
>
> At the moment I have an ADSL Ethernet 4 port Router.
>
> I use this to connect two PC's to the internet and to each other. It
> is a little network with the same workgroup so I can share files and
> games and use the internet.
>
> I have two PC's in other rooms.
> Can I get a Wireless access point device and plug it in to one of the
> spare ports on the ADSL router ?

That's what a WAP is for to bridge the wire and wireless network together
and both networks with the machines on them can share resources and the
wireless can access the Internet too.

>
> I have two Wireless NIC's for the other PC's . Will this enable me to
> make a network of all four PC'S ? Or will the wireless ones be on a
> separate network ? Will the internet go from one port of the ADSL
> router to the Wireless Access point and onto the other PC's ?

You plug the WAP into a LAN port on the router and forget about it.

>
> I dont want to replace the ADSL router because I am of the belief (
> maybe mistakenly ) the the wired connection is faster than 54Mps
> Wireless.

The wire is faster with a 100 mps wire NIC and I would think with a 10
Mps it wouldn't be much of a speed difference either.

>
> Am I looking at the wrong solution ?
>
NO

> Oh, it is a Microsoft operating system.
>

So?

You may also want to look into a print server that can be plugged into
the router and a printer attached to the print server. The printer
becomes a network printer and all machines wired and wireless can print
to the printer without the printer being connected to a computer with
the computer being on for other computers to use the printer.

Print servers are cheap here in the US. You can get a good one for about
$50 USD.

Duane :)

6 Apr 2005 9:42 AM

Stuart

Duane Arnold wrote:

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> Stuart <sg***@tpg.com.au> wrote in news:42534514$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au:
>
>
>>Hello,
>>
>>At the moment I have an ADSL Ethernet 4 port Router.
>>
>>I use this to connect two PC's to the internet and to each other. It
>>is a little network with the same workgroup so I can share files and
>>games and use the internet.
>>
>>I have two PC's in other rooms.
>>Can I get a Wireless access point device and plug it in to one of the
>>spare ports on the ADSL router ?
>
>
> That's what a WAP is for to bridge the wire and wireless network together
> and both networks with the machines on them can share resources and the
> wireless can access the Internet too.
>
>>I have two Wireless NIC's for the other PC's . Will this enable me to
>>make a network of all four PC'S ? Or will the wireless ones be on a
>>separate network ? Will the internet go from one port of the ADSL
>>router to the Wireless Access point and onto the other PC's ?
>
>
> You plug the WAP into a LAN port on the router and forget about it.
>
>
>>I dont want to replace the ADSL router because I am of the belief (
>>maybe mistakenly ) the the wired connection is faster than 54Mps
>>Wireless.
>
>
> The wire is faster with a 100 mps wire NIC and I would think with a 10
> Mps it wouldn't be much of a speed difference either.
>
>
>>Am I looking at the wrong solution ?
>>
>
> NO
>
>
>>Oh, it is a Microsoft operating system.
>>
>
>
> So?
>
> You may also want to look into a print server that can be plugged into
> the router and a printer attached to the print server. The printer
> becomes a network printer and all machines wired and wireless can print
> to the printer without the printer being connected to a computer with
> the computer being on for other computers to use the printer.
>
> Print servers are cheap here in the US. You can get a good one for about
> $50 USD.
>
> Duane :)
>

Thank you Duane,

I think I can proceed as I guessed I might be able to and keep my
fingers crossed it will end up with the seamless " forget about it "
option.

The printer idea is interesting too, although I do have to discourage
the other half who thinks web documents should come in reams regardless
of the cartridge cost.

Regards

Stuart

Melbourne , Australia

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6 Apr 2005 2:14 PM

Al Dykes

In article <Xns962FE185D83Dnotmenotmecom@204.127.199.17>,
Duane Arnold <no***@notme.com> wrote:
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>Stuart <sg***@tpg.com.au> wrote in news:42534514$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au:
>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> At the moment I have an ADSL Ethernet 4 port Router.
>>
>> I use this to connect two PC's to the internet and to each other. It
>> is a little network with the same workgroup so I can share files and
>> games and use the internet.
>>
>> I have two PC's in other rooms.
>> Can I get a Wireless access point device and plug it in to one of the
>> spare ports on the ADSL router ?
>
>That's what a WAP is for to bridge the wire and wireless network together
>and both networks with the machines on them can share resources and the
>wireless can access the Internet too.
>>
>> I have two Wireless NIC's for the other PC's . Will this enable me to
>> make a network of all four PC'S ? Or will the wireless ones be on a
>> separate network ? Will the internet go from one port of the ADSL
>> router to the Wireless Access point and onto the other PC's ?
>
>You plug the WAP into a LAN port on the router and forget about it.
>
>>
>> I dont want to replace the ADSL router because I am of the belief (
>> maybe mistakenly ) the the wired connection is faster than 54Mps
>> Wireless.
>
>The wire is faster with a 100 mps wire NIC and I would think with a 10
>Mps it wouldn't be much of a speed difference either.
>
>>
>> Am I looking at the wrong solution ?
>>
> NO
>
>> Oh, it is a Microsoft operating system.
>>
>
>So?
>
>You may also want to look into a print server that can be plugged into
>the router and a printer attached to the print server. The printer
>becomes a network printer and all machines wired and wireless can print
>to the printer without the printer being connected to a computer with
>the computer being on for other computers to use the printer.
>
>Print servers are cheap here in the US. You can get a good one for about
>$50 USD.
>
>Duane :)
>
>
>

FWIW Linksys, and possibly others make a WiFI print server. This means
that the printer can be put anywhere there's a 120VAC outlet.

--
a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m

Don't blame me. I voted for Gore.

6 Apr 2005 4:24 PM

Duane Arnold

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ady***@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote in news:d30qs2$di7$1@panix5.panix.com:

> In article <Xns962FE185D83Dnotmenotmecom@204.127.199.17>,
> Duane Arnold <no***@notme.com> wrote:
>>Stuart <sg***@tpg.com.au> wrote in news:42534514$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au:
>>
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> At the moment I have an ADSL Ethernet 4 port Router.
>>>
>>> I use this to connect two PC's to the internet and to each other. It
>>> is a little network with the same workgroup so I can share files and
>>> games and use the internet.
>>>
>>> I have two PC's in other rooms.
>>> Can I get a Wireless access point device and plug it in to one of
>>> the spare ports on the ADSL router ?
>>
>>That's what a WAP is for to bridge the wire and wireless network
>>together and both networks with the machines on them can share
>>resources and the wireless can access the Internet too.
>>>
>>> I have two Wireless NIC's for the other PC's . Will this enable me
>>> to make a network of all four PC'S ? Or will the wireless ones be on
>>> a separate network ? Will the internet go from one port of the ADSL
>>> router to the Wireless Access point and onto the other PC's ?
>>
>>You plug the WAP into a LAN port on the router and forget about it.
>>
>>>
>>> I dont want to replace the ADSL router because I am of the belief (
>>> maybe mistakenly ) the the wired connection is faster than 54Mps
>>> Wireless.
>>
>>The wire is faster with a 100 mps wire NIC and I would think with a 10
>>Mps it wouldn't be much of a speed difference either.
>>
>>>
>>> Am I looking at the wrong solution ?
>>>
>> NO
>>
>>> Oh, it is a Microsoft operating system.
>>>
>>
>>So?
>>
>>You may also want to look into a print server that can be plugged into
>>the router and a printer attached to the print server. The printer
>>becomes a network printer and all machines wired and wireless can
>>print to the printer without the printer being connected to a computer
>>with the computer being on for other computers to use the printer.
>>
>>Print servers are cheap here in the US. You can get a good one for
>>about $50 USD.
>>
>>Duane :)
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> FWIW Linksys, and possibly others make a WiFI print server. This means
> that the printer can be put anywhere there's a 120VAC outlet.
>

Why do you need a WiFI print server? That would cost a more $$$. I had no
problems printing from a wire or wireless machine using the wire printer
server connected to a LAN port on the router, since the router is the
gateway for the LAN.

Duane :)

6 Apr 2005 7:29 AM

Jeff Liebermann

On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 12:10:51 +1000, Stuart <sg***@tpg.com.au> wrote:

>At the moment I have an ADSL Ethernet 4 port Router.
>I use this to connect two PC's to the internet and to each other. It is
>a little network with the same workgroup so I can share files and games
>and use the internet.
>
>I have two PC's in other rooms.
>Can I get a Wireless access point device and plug it in to one of the
>spare ports on the ADSL router ?

Yes. You can use a WAP (wireless access point) for this. You can
also use a wireless router as a wireless access point by simply
ignoring the WAN port and disabling the DHCP server. You'll find that
wireless routers are cheaper than WAP's and also include a 4 port
switch.

>I have two Wireless NIC's for the other PC's . Will this enable me to
>make a network of all four PC'S ?

Yes. The wireless links are bridges. They know nothing about IP
addresses. They act exactly as if they were ethernet extension
cables.

>Or will the wireless ones be on a
>separate network ?

With a wireless router, you can put them on a seperate network.
However, that's neither necessary or something you would want to do.

>Will the internet go from one port of the ADSL router
>to the Wireless Access point and onto the other PC's ?

Yep. That's about it.

>I dont want to replace the ADSL router because I am of the belief (
>maybe mistakenly ) the the wired connection is faster than 54Mps Wireless.

Wrong. ADSL maximum speed is about 6Mbits/sec. Unless you're paying
for this, you'll probably be rate capped at about 1.5Mbits/sec.
802.11g will do about 15-25Mbits/sec thruput at short (10ft) range.
The speed will go down as the range increases. The wireless thruput
is at least 10 times faster than what I'm guessing your ADSL
connection will do. Unless you're operating at the extreme distance,
are going through many walls, or have lots of multipath and
interference, I wouldn't worry about the internet to wireless speed.

>Am I looking at the wrong solution ?

Dunno. You haven't described the problem.
What problem are you trying to solve?
What do you have to work with?
Where are you stuck?

>Oh, it is a Microsoft operating system.

W95, 98, ME, NT4, W2K, XP, WinCE, etc?

--
Jeff Liebermann    je***@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us
150 Felker St #D   http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060    AE6KS 831-336-2558

6 Apr 2005 9:38 AM

Stuart

Jeff Liebermann wrote:
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> On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 12:10:51 +1000, Stuart <sg***@tpg.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>>At the moment I have an ADSL Ethernet 4 port Router.
>>I use this to connect two PC's to the internet and to each other. It is
>>a little network with the same workgroup so I can share files and games
>>and use the internet.
>>
>>I have two PC's in other rooms.
>>Can I get a Wireless access point device and plug it in to one of the
>>spare ports on the ADSL router ?
>
>
> Yes. You can use a WAP (wireless access point) for this. You can
> also use a wireless router as a wireless access point by simply
> ignoring the WAN port and disabling the DHCP server. You'll find that
> wireless routers are cheaper than WAP's and also include a 4 port
> switch.
>
>
>>I have two Wireless NIC's for the other PC's . Will this enable me to
>>make a network of all four PC'S ?
>
>
> Yes. The wireless links are bridges. They know nothing about IP
> addresses. They act exactly as if they were ethernet extension
> cables.
>
>
>>Or will the wireless ones be on a
>>separate network ?
>
>
> With a wireless router, you can put them on a seperate network.
> However, that's neither necessary or something you would want to do.
>
>
>>Will the internet go from one port of the ADSL router
>>to the Wireless Access point and onto the other PC's ?
>
>
> Yep. That's about it.
>
>
>>I dont want to replace the ADSL router because I am of the belief (
>>maybe mistakenly ) the the wired connection is faster than 54Mps Wireless.
>
>
> Wrong. ADSL maximum speed is about 6Mbits/sec. Unless you're paying
> for this, you'll probably be rate capped at about 1.5Mbits/sec.
> 802.11g will do about 15-25Mbits/sec thruput at short (10ft) range.
> The speed will go down as the range increases. The wireless thruput
> is at least 10 times faster than what I'm guessing your ADSL
> connection will do. Unless you're operating at the extreme distance,
> are going through many walls, or have lots of multipath and
> interference, I wouldn't worry about the internet to wireless speed.
>
>
>>Am I looking at the wrong solution ?
>
>
> Dunno. You haven't described the problem.
> What problem are you trying to solve?
> What do you have to work with?
> Where are you stuck?
>
>
>>Oh, it is a Microsoft operating system.
>
>
> W95, 98, ME, NT4, W2K, XP, WinCE, etc?
>
>

Thanks for your help,

I think I tried to describe what I was trying to do. That is, to use two
more PC's wirelessly on a network that is already wired by instaling a
Wireless Access Point ( or WAP, as I have now discovered it is called )

I have described what I have , 2 PC's wired , 2 PC's floating , an ADSL
Router and two 54mps PCI Wireless NIC's.

I don't think I am stuck now that you ( and another ) have described how
I can use a 'WAP' to achieve what I am after.

Does Win 98 SE make any difference to the outcome ?

Regards

Stuart

Melbourne, Australia