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Help with wireless kit selection
connection. There would be two computers, one in the main house and one in a garage loft (office convertion) just under 100m away from the other. I'm looking for suggestions for kit to use. (ISP is not important right now). The link needs to be wireless and on a fairly small budget, (£150 ish). No need for fancy routers with VPN tunneling. So can anyone suggest anything. Email for more info if needed. Many thanks David "David Allen" <davidal***@metronet.co.uk> wrote in message My gf's dad has just bought a D-Link DSL-904 wireless router and wirelessnews:42487402$0$8741$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk... > I have been asked to install a network to allow the sharing of a BB > connection. There would be two computers, one in the main house and one in a > garage loft (office convertion) just under 100m away from the other. I'm > looking for suggestions for kit to use. (ISP is not important right now). > The link needs to be wireless and on a fairly small budget, (£150 ish). No > need for fancy routers with VPN tunneling. > > So can anyone suggest anything. USB adapter set. A great bit of kit for the price. After seeing it I'm gonna buy one tomorrow. You can get it from Ebuyer for £67.67 inc vat and standard delivery @ http://tinyurl.com/6tmdh At the moment PC World are doing it in-store for £69.99 but only until tomorrow, and only if you take along the advert (or voucher as thy call it) thats been in the papers. Russell In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Russell <RRRussell.56***@lycos.co.uk> wrote: Show quoteHide quote > "David Allen" <davidal***@metronet.co.uk> wrote in message How well is this likely to work over a distance of 100 metres?> news:42487402$0$8741$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk... >> I have been asked to install a network to allow the sharing of a BB >> connection. There would be two computers, one in the main house and >> one in a garage loft (office convertion) just under 100m away from >> the other. I'm looking for suggestions for kit to use. (ISP is not >> important right now). The link needs to be wireless and on a fairly >> small budget, (£150 ish). No need for fancy routers with VPN >> tunneling. >> >> So can anyone suggest anything. > > My gf's dad has just bought a D-Link DSL-904 wireless router and > wireless USB adapter set. A great bit of kit for the price. After > seeing it I'm gonna buy one tomorrow. > > You can get it from Ebuyer for £67.67 inc vat and standard delivery @ > http://tinyurl.com/6tmdh > > At the moment PC World are doing it in-store for £69.99 but only until > tomorrow, and only if you take along the advert (or voucher as thy > call it) thats been in the papers. > > Russell -- Cheers, Tim ______ Please reply to newsgroup. Reply address is invalid. [snip]
Depending on the walls etc, 100m is quite some distance for simple off-the-shelf kit. However if both ends of the link have aerials connected by screw-in connectors (I want to say D-connectors but that may not be the correct name), then you can buy better, directional aerials that will increase your range. FYI, 30 miles (sic) is possible with the correct kit, good parabolic dishes etc. but you'll just need something a little less impressive. Of course you won't be able to connect "behind" the antenna, but providing you want a straight line-of-site connection, you'll be sorted. OTOH, exterior grade CAT.5 cable is relatively cheap so perhaps you might want to consider a long cable between the two buildings - providing it's all over you land of course. Paul DS.
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On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 09:43:15 +0100, "Tiscali Tim" <t***@privacy.net> Not very.wrote: >In an earlier contribution to this discussion, >Russell <RRRussell.56***@lycos.co.uk> wrote: > >> "David Allen" <davidal***@metronet.co.uk> wrote in message >> news:42487402$0$8741$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk... >>> I have been asked to install a network to allow the sharing of a BB >>> connection. There would be two computers, one in the main house and >>> one in a garage loft (office convertion) just under 100m away from >>> the other. I'm looking for suggestions for kit to use. (ISP is not >>> important right now). The link needs to be wireless and on a fairly >>> small budget, (£150 ish). No need for fancy routers with VPN >>> tunneling. >>> >>> So can anyone suggest anything. >> >> My gf's dad has just bought a D-Link DSL-904 wireless router and >> wireless USB adapter set. A great bit of kit for the price. After >> seeing it I'm gonna buy one tomorrow. >> >> You can get it from Ebuyer for £67.67 inc vat and standard delivery @ >> http://tinyurl.com/6tmdh >> >> At the moment PC World are doing it in-store for £69.99 but only until >> tomorrow, and only if you take along the advert (or voucher as thy >> call it) thats been in the papers. >> >> Russell > > >How well is this likely to work over a distance of 100 metres? If you have the router in a room next to the outside wall in one building, and the PC with the adapter in a room next to the facing outside wall in the other building, and there are no trees or other obstructions in between, then it will probably work when the weather is fine. According to the manual <ftp://ftp.dlink.co.uk/dsl_routers_modems/dsl-g604t/dsl-g604t_man_v1.pdf>, it has a range of up to 100M indoors, 300M outdoors, but that 300M means with *nothing* between them, and is the absolute maximum you can expect in perfect conditions. Neither the router nor the adapter appear to have detachable antennae, so it might not be easy to replace with better ones. This router also appears to be one of the least secure you can buy :-( It does not have an SPI firewall (in spite of what I said a few minutes ago in another thread), and although it has 128-bit WEP or WPA encryption, it cannot hide SSID, so anybody nearby with a wireless enabled device can tell that you have a network. -- Alex Heney, Global Villager Make Headlines..use a corduroy pillow.... To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom Alex Heney <m**@privacy.net> wrote in
news:9lgj41521tm32nf71ks6t2g1de1tqruqsq@4ax.com: The DSL-G604T has a Reverse SMA antenna connector. It is supplied > Neither the router nor the adapter appear to have detachable > antennae, so it might not be easy to replace with better ones. with a stock 2dBi antenna, but you can fit a higher gain antenna as required. > This router also appears to be one of the least secure you can buy Yes it does, although it it not particularly visible from the (IMO) > :-( It does not have an SPI firewall (in spite of what I said a > few minutes ago in another thread),,, very confused web-based config. The device is based on the TI AR7 communications processor running MontaVista Linux + Busybox, the same as the Netgear DG834G. > ...and although it has 128-bit Yes, it can disable SSID broadcast.> WEP or WPA encryption, it cannot hide SSID, so anybody nearby with > a wireless enabled device can tell that you have a network. You are indeed correct that "anybody nearby ... can tell that you have a network". This is of course true of *any* access point, whether or not there is a facility (attempt?) to disable SSID broadcast since the SSID is *always* transmitted in certain frames. The SSID is intended to be broadcast, and 'hiding' it is (a) impossible (b) not a security measure. This topic has been discussed at length in this and other forums. But if it makes you feel better, go ahead... The DSL-G604T is no less secure than any other device with WPA and WPA-PSK using RC4 encryption. The TI AR7 has hardware support for AES encryption, and I believe that a firmware upgrade to support this function is due. But D-Link is not always known for the speed of its firmware releases... Kind regards -- Richard Perkin To email me, change the AT in the address below richard.perkinATmyrealbox.com It's is not, it isn't ain't, and it's it's, not its, if you mean it is. If you don't, it's its. Then too, it's hers. It isn't her's. It isn't our's either. It's ours, and likewise yours and theirs. -- Oxford University Press, Edpress News On 29 Mar 2005 22:52:23 GMT, Richard Perkin <f000nur***@hotmail.com>
wrote: Show quoteHide quote >Alex Heney <m**@privacy.net> wrote in You obviously know the machine better than I do, since I have never>news:9lgj41521tm32nf71ks6t2g1de1tqruqsq@4ax.com: > >> Neither the router nor the adapter appear to have detachable >> antennae, so it might not be easy to replace with better ones. > >The DSL-G604T has a Reverse SMA antenna connector. It is supplied >with a stock 2dBi antenna, but you can fit a higher gain antenna as >required. > >> This router also appears to be one of the least secure you can buy >> :-( It does not have an SPI firewall (in spite of what I said a >> few minutes ago in another thread),,, > >Yes it does, although it it not particularly visible from the (IMO) >very confused web-based config. The device is based on the TI AR7 >communications processor running MontaVista Linux + Busybox, the same >as the Netgear DG834G. > seen or attempted to configure one, only read the manual. But I'm surprised the manual makes no mention of it, and only mentions being able to turn on/off the firewall and NAT together. >> ...and although it has 128-bit Again, not according to the manual. Who writes these things?>> WEP or WPA encryption, it cannot hide SSID, so anybody nearby with >> a wireless enabled device can tell that you have a network. > >Yes, it can disable SSID broadcast. > >You are indeed correct that "anybody nearby ... can tell that you Not quite true. When I said Anybody with a wireless enabled device,>have a network". This is of course true of *any* access point, >whether or not there is a facility (attempt?) to disable SSID >broadcast that is what I meant. To be able to see it with SSID disabled, you need more than just "any" wireless device. You either need to know the SSID, or you need to have a device specifically set up to look for the "hidden" SSIDs. >since the SSID is *always* transmitted in certain frames. I agree that it doesn't provide much protection at all against a>The SSID is intended to be broadcast, and 'hiding' it is (a) >impossible (b) not a security measure. This topic has been discussed >at length in this and other forums. But if it makes you feel better, >go ahead... > "serious" hacker. But it stops the opportunists from seeing the network and just trying things to see if they can get in. >The DSL-G604T is no less secure than any other device with WPA and And it would appear not for the quality of its manuals :-(>WPA-PSK using RC4 encryption. The TI AR7 has hardware support for AES >encryption, and I believe that a firmware upgrade to support this >function is due. But D-Link is not always known for the speed of its >firmware releases... > -- Alex Heney, Global Villager Make Headlines..use a corduroy pillow.... To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom Alex Heney <m**@privacy.net> wrote in
news:arrj41deeg4vdvusl3gfmkinn69hrm0n9r@4ax.com: At best, it provides 'security by obscurity'. And the only reason it > On 29 Mar 2005 22:52:23 GMT, Richard Perkin > <f000nur***@hotmail.com> wrote: > To be able to see it with SSID disabled, you need more than just > "any" wireless device. You either need to know the SSID, or you > need to have a device specifically set up to look for the "hidden" > SSIDs. > I agree that it doesn't provide much protection at all against a > "serious" hacker. But it stops the opportunists from seeing the > network and just trying things to see if they can get in. provides even that trivial protection is that the tools (together with the correct wireless card drivers) which run under Windows to reveal 'hidden' SSIDs are not widely distributed. If they were, you can bet that this so-called 'security' feature would rapidly be dismissed as the myth that it is. >>... But D-Link is not always known for the speed Indeed. IMNSHO they are best described by the acrynym: PoS>>of its firmware releases... > And it would appear not for the quality of its manuals :-( Kind regards PS: You're a long way from UKLM and UKL ? -- Richard Perkin To email me, change the AT in the address below richard.perkinATmyrealbox.com It's is not, it isn't ain't, and it's it's, not its, if you mean it is. If you don't, it's its. Then too, it's hers. It isn't her's. It isn't our's either. It's ours, and likewise yours and theirs. -- Oxford University Press, Edpress News On 30 Mar 2005 10:15:04 GMT, Richard Perkin <f000nur***@hotmail.com>
wrote: >Alex Heney <m**@privacy.net> wrote in <snip>>news:arrj41deeg4vdvusl3gfmkinn69hrm0n9r@4ax.com: > >> On 29 Mar 2005 22:52:23 GMT, Richard Perkin >> <f000nur***@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>... But D-Link is not always known for the speed There are too many manufacturers who seem to do user guides as an>>>of its firmware releases... >> And it would appear not for the quality of its manuals :-( > >Indeed. IMNSHO they are best described by the acrynym: PoS > afterthought. Don't they realise that it will put people off using their equipment if the user cannot easily find out how to do things with it? >Kind regards I currently have 22 groups in my main subscribed list. Where I'm most> >PS: You're a long way from UKLM and UKL ? active varies over time :-) -- Alex Heney, Global Villager Waiter, there's no fly in my soup! - Kermit To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom
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"Tiscali Tim" <t***@privacy.net> wrote in Unlikely without some assistance. Whatever router you buy, the likely news:3asip3F6ansniU1@individual.net: > In an earlier contribution to this discussion, > Russell <RRRussell.56***@lycos.co.uk> wrote: > >> "David Allen" <davidal***@metronet.co.uk> wrote in message >> news:42487402$0$8741$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk... >>> I have been asked to install a network to allow the sharing of a >>> BB connection. There would be two computers, one in the main >>> house and one in a garage loft (office convertion) just under >>> 100m away from the other. I'm looking for suggestions for kit to >>> use. (ISP is not important right now). The link needs to be >>> wireless and on a fairly small budget, (£150 ish). No need for >>> fancy routers with VPN tunneling. >>> >>> So can anyone suggest anything. >> >> My gf's dad has just bought a D-Link DSL-904 wireless router and >> wireless USB adapter set. A great bit of kit for the price. After >> seeing it I'm gonna buy one tomorrow. >> >> You can get it from Ebuyer for £67.67 inc vat and standard >> delivery @ http://tinyurl.com/6tmdh >> >> At the moment PC World are doing it in-store for £69.99 but only >> until tomorrow, and only if you take along the advert (or voucher >> as thy call it) thats been in the papers. >> >> Russell > > > How well is this likely to work over a distance of 100 metres? best solution for the wireless link between the two buildings is a wireless bridge, using a mating pair of multi-mode access points configured in Brisge mode. To cover this distance you will likely need to use directional antennae at each end, positioned in line-of- sight. If you like D-Link kit, the DWL-2100AP will work just fine. However, you may get lucky if you have line-of-sight between two windows. Place a wireless router in one window, and a multi-mode access point configured in Wireless Client mode in the other window. It may work without higher gain antennae, but medium gain directional panel antennae are not too expensive... If you do set up a wireless bridge with a pair of devices using replacement antennae, you are likely to exceed your budget unless you buy on eBay... Hope this helps -- Richard Perkin To email me, change the AT in the address below richard.perkinATmyrealbox.com It's is not, it isn't ain't, and it's it's, not its, if you mean it is. If you don't, it's its. Then too, it's hers. It isn't her's. It isn't our's either. It's ours, and likewise yours and theirs. -- Oxford University Press, Edpress News |
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