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New SVHS player.. or not?My SVHS unit seems to be on it's last legs.
Am thinking about getting a new SVHS/DVD recorder. Not only then could I transfer my SVHS tapes onto DVD, then I can also play those old tapes as well. However, I was thinking, should I even bother with a SVHS unit? I think there are some VCR's now that will have quasi-SVHS playback. And for daily recording, thought about just going to a DVD unit and not worry about taping with SVHS. What are your suggestions? Thanks! Joe I have a Toshiba unit (Model D-VR650) with a high definition tuner
which can playback SVHS tapes and record to VHS or DVD. (It can not record to sHVS). As a recorder of cable broadcasts, it is crappy. It lacks many of the features of a decent VHS or SHVS recorder, such as channel labeling or VCR+ numbers. You basically need to know the time and channel number to record anything, whether it is to VCR or to DVD. It can however copy SVHS tapes to DVD quite nicely. -- Howard On 29 Jul 2007 04:15:37 -0500, msr***@wiu.edu (R Joseph Cook) wrotG: Show quoteHide quote >My SVHS unit seems to be on it's last legs. > >Am thinking about getting a new SVHS/DVD recorder. Not only then could >I transfer my SVHS tapes onto DVD, then I can also play those old tapes >as well. > >However, I was thinking, should I even bother with a SVHS unit? I think >there are some VCR's now that will have quasi-SVHS playback. And for >daily recording, thought about just going to a DVD unit and not worry >about taping with SVHS. > >What are your suggestions? > >Thanks! > >Joe > On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:00:48 -0500, whosbest54
<whosbest54@NOSPAM.yahoo.com.invalid> wrotG: Show quoteHide quote >In article <9icpa3d901vrpgcvb6f6as59h78hlff***@4ax.com>, How***@Home.com To quote the product specs from the Toshiba site>says... >> >> >>I have a Toshiba unit (Model D-VR650) with a high definition tuner >>which can playback SVHS tapes and record to VHS or DVD. (It can not >>record to sHVS). As a recorder of cable broadcasts, it is crappy. It >>lacks many of the features of a decent VHS or SHVS recorder, such as >>channel labeling or VCR+ numbers. You basically need to know the time >>and channel number to record anything, whether it is to VCR or to DVD. >>It can however copy SVHS tapes to DVD quite nicely. -- Howard >> >I understand this Toshiba model has a SD ASTC and QAM digital tuner, not a >HD one. At least that's what the Crutchfield site shows. "Built in ATSC/NTSC/QAM digital/analog tuner allows for tuning of analog or digital channels from over the air, or cable, including “cable-in-the-clear” digital channels." Don't believe everything you read on the internet :-) > Not true. The Toshiba does 720p/1080i upconversion of all media,>"records and displays in standard definition only" including VHS tapes. When you use the HDMI connection or the component out, it can display HD. If you want to use the unit with an antenna to display on air HD channels, you can. If your cable company broadcasts in the clear digital HD channels, you can view them in HD. If you want to record in "best" mode, you can record to DVD in HD. You can also view and record the analog stations from your cable company, unlike many of the other HD tuners. So you can use the Toshiba as an HD tuner. What is not so great is that you can not label the stations and you need to input the HD channel number with the dashes. However, the Toshiba is pretty good in comparison to some other units in doing a channel scan and only identifying stations which actually have viewable content. Some other tuners I have tried pull in two hundred or so digital channels with nothing but static on them and then I needed to spend an hour deleting the channnels. See http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/dvr/product.asp?model=d-vr650 for more details. I have the unit and it preforms as per the spec sheet. However, don't assume something not in the spec sheet is there. For example, the specs say nothing about double layer drives. There is a reason for this. The Toshiba can't read or write them. -- Howard Show quoteHide quote > >whosbest54 Thanks a lot for the great info, guys.
I guess I have a couple of (extreme) newbie-like questions: 1. Am kinda looking towards getting a duo SVHS/DVD recorder type unit. For both space saving purposes and convienience. That way I can still record SVHS tapes (even though they are getting harder to find these days) and DVD. On those units that have quasi-SVHS playback capability or those that don't record SVHS but *say* they can play those tapes back, are they still as good as a regular SVHS unit when they play back tapes? Because I want something that can archive my old SVHS tapes and want the highest resolution for those archives as I can get. 2. My other noob question is this. Are DVD recorders as good at recording shows as SVHS units? That is, do they have comparable lines of resolution (or is one better than the other?). If DVD's are beter anyway, maybe I won't mess with a SVHS VCR. That is,if those SVHS playback units or "quasi" SVHS playback units can play SVHS tapes as well as a SVHS VCR anyway. Just was checking at duo SVHS/DVD recorders on the web and they seem to be around the $400-450 mark. At least the last JVC unit I looked at was.. Thanks! Joe C. On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:58:08 -0500, whosbest54
<whosbest54@NOSPAM.yahoo.com.invalid> wrotG: Show quoteHide quote >In article <pgksa3l08cr3uklcvk6r4irsin1j5qo***@4ax.com>, How***@Home.com I have the manual. It doesn't say anything about HD either.>says... >> >> >>On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:00:48 -0500, whosbest54 >><whosbest54@NOSPAM.yahoo.com.invalid> wrotG: >> >>>In article <9icpa3d901vrpgcvb6f6as59h78hlff***@4ax.com>, How***@Home.com >>>says... >>>> >>>> >>>>I have a Toshiba unit (Model D-VR650) with a high definition tuner >>>>which can playback SVHS tapes and record to VHS or DVD. (It can not >>>>record to sHVS). As a recorder of cable broadcasts, it is crappy. It >>>>lacks many of the features of a decent VHS or SHVS recorder, such as >>>>channel labeling or VCR+ numbers. You basically need to know the time >>>>and channel number to record anything, whether it is to VCR or to DVD. >>>>It can however copy SVHS tapes to DVD quite nicely. -- Howard >>>> >>>I understand this Toshiba model has a SD ASTC and QAM digital tuner, not a >>>HD one. At least that's what the Crutchfield site shows. >> >>To quote the product specs from the Toshiba site >> >>"Built in ATSC/NTSC/QAM digital/analog tuner allows for tuning of >>analog or digital channels from over the air, or cable, including >>“cable-in-the-clear” digital channels." >> >> >>> >>>http://www.crutchfield.com/S-63Bq4IRjIHL/cgi-bin/prodview.asp?i=052DVR650 >> >>Don't believe everything you read on the internet :-) >>> >>>"records and displays in standard definition only" >> >>Not true. The Toshiba does 720p/1080i upconversion of all media, >>including VHS tapes. When you use the HDMI connection or the component >>out, it can display HD. If you want to use the unit with an antenna >>to display on air HD channels, you can. If your cable company >>broadcasts in the clear digital HD channels, you can view them in HD. >>If you want to record in "best" mode, you can record to DVD in HD. You >>can also view and record the analog stations from your cable company, >>unlike many of the other HD tuners. >> >>So you can use the Toshiba as an HD tuner. What is not so great is >>that you can not label the stations and you need to input the HD >>channel number with the dashes. However, the Toshiba is pretty good >>in comparison to some other units in doing a channel scan and only >>identifying stations which actually have viewable content. Some other >>tuners I have tried pull in two hundred or so digital channels with >>nothing but static on them and then I needed to spend an hour deleting >>the channnels. >> >>See >> >>http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/dvr/product.asp?model=d-vr650 >> >>for more details. I have the unit and it preforms as per the spec >>sheet. However, don't assume something not in the spec sheet is >>there. For example, the specs say nothing about double layer drives. >>There is a reason for this. The Toshiba can't read or write them. -- >>Howard >> >I saw the Toshiba site spec sheet yesterday and it doesn't say anything about >the digital tuner being HD. I know the unit does upconversion. That doesn't >mean the tuner is HD. It tunes a HD station in SD and then upconverts the >output on the conponent or HDMI out. So, no, you can't use it as a direct >replacement of a HD tuner and get the exact same picture quality - it will >not be full HD. > >I tried to find the manual on the Toshiba site yesterday and it's not >available. > I just tried converting 2 different VCRs to DVD. On both, I tried DVD+R and DVD-R. All of the conversions failed. So back to the original poster's question, the Toshiba is a piece of junk. -- Howard Show quoteHide quote >Also, no standard DVD records in HD. > >whosbest54 On Jul 29, 4:15 am, msr***@wiu.edu (R Joseph Cook) wrote:
Show quoteHide quote > My SVHS unit seems to be on it's last legs. My advice is to get a DVD recorder that has a built-in hard drive and> > Am thinking about getting a new SVHS/DVD recorder. Not only then could > I transfer my SVHS tapes onto DVD, then I can also play those old tapes > as well. > > However, I was thinking, should I even bother with a SVHS unit? I think > there are some VCR's now that will have quasi-SVHS playback. And for > daily recording, thought about just going to a DVD unit and not worry > about taping with SVHS. > > What are your suggestions? > > Thanks! > > Joe doesn't have a built-in VCR. Nothing will play your tapes as well as the VCR that recorded them. Get started on that project as soon as possible if you think your VCR is failing soon. HiFi Audio is the hardest part to play well. I find that only the original VCR can play the HiFi audio track correctly. Dave
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"R Joseph Cook" <msr***@wiu.edu> wrote in message As you can see, I don't read here very often. However, I was news:f8hlrp$9hc$1@ecom1.wiu.edu... > My SVHS unit seems to be on it's last legs. > > Am thinking about getting a new SVHS/DVD recorder. Not only > then could > I transfer my SVHS tapes onto DVD, then I can also play those > old tapes > as well. > > However, I was thinking, should I even bother with a SVHS > unit? I think > there are some VCR's now that will have quasi-SVHS playback. > And for > daily recording, thought about just going to a DVD unit and > not worry > about taping with SVHS. > > What are your suggestions? > > Thanks! > > Joe > > just searching for HDTV VCRs this week and came across this. While its one review is negative, and some other reviews dealing with JVC cite poor support, this certainly seems to be the kind of unit you'd asked about. It records and plays back in HDTV as well as the lower resolutions. On one site I'd read that DVHS tapes will record 4 hours of HDTV at 27 Gbps. That translates to 6 to 8 hours for much OTA and cable HDTV (although this unit does not have QAM). I don't know when we'll see HD disc recorders, nor would I venture a guess at media cost. The DVHS machines have been around for years and are heavily discounted, never having found a market for some odd reason. Older JVC machines, without a tuner, seem to have quite a few positive reviews. I happen to own a pair of these, http://www.autumnwave.com/Consumers/OnAir-Creator.html, which will interface with a DVHS recorder/player. "R Joseph Cook" <msr***@wiu.edu> wrote in message There are no SVHS/DVD combo units in the market. All combos are regular news:f8hlrp$9hc$1@ecom1.wiu.edu... >> My SVHS unit seems to be on it's last legs. >> >> Am thinking about getting a new SVHS/DVD recorder. Not only then >> could I transfer my SVHS tapes onto DVD, then I can also play those >> old tapes as well. VHS, some of those come with SQPB meaning they can play SVHS, but at reduced quality. That means you can technically use those to copy SVHS to DVD, but you'll lose the quality preserved on your tapes which you bought that precious SVHS deck for in the first place. >> However, I was thinking, should I even bother with a SVHS If you care for the picture quality of your existing tapes, yes.>> unit? >> And for daily recording, thought about just going to a DVD unit and That goes without saying. VHS and SVHS are dead. But you want to >> not worry about taping with SVHS. preserve existing tapes. I suggest getting a standalone DVD/HDD recorder and a separate SVHS deck (new if you can find one, they're getting rate, a good used one otherwhise), use that combination for dubbing existing tapes to DVD, and use DVD and HD recording henceforth. "Bill's News" <billsn***@pcmagic.net> wrote DVHS is a dead format. There never was a market for it, DVD came along in news:46d61f67$0$18787$4c368faf@roadrunner.com: > It records and plays back in HDTV as well as the lower > resolutions. On one site I'd read that DVHS tapes will record 4 > hours of HDTV at 27 Gbps. That translates to 6 to 8 hours for > much OTA and cable HDTV (although this unit does not have QAM). before it took off. Even though its backwards compatibility with VHS is appealing, everything is moving to disk based recordings. Support for DVHS in the future is unlikely. > I don't know when we'll see HD disc recorders, nor would I BlueRay and HDDVD disks are here (with issues). But the OP didn't ask > venture a guess at media cost. for High Definition, just a solution for conventional resolution recordings. Regards -- La mer qu'on voit danser le long des golfes clairs A des reflets d'argent, la mer Des reflets changeants sous la pluie "Wolfgang Schwanke" <see@sig.nature> wrote in message Incorrect. JVC made the SR-MV40US, which is a combo unit, S-VHS VCR, and anews:rs70cf.4g.ln@wschwanke.de... > "R Joseph Cook" <msr***@wiu.edu> wrote in message > news:f8hlrp$9hc$1@ecom1.wiu.edu... > > >> My SVHS unit seems to be on it's last legs. > >> > >> Am thinking about getting a new SVHS/DVD recorder. Not only then > >> could I transfer my SVHS tapes onto DVD, then I can also play those > >> old tapes as well. > > There are no SVHS/DVD combo units in the market. DVD recorder. Do a google. I love mine. Deke (snip) >All combos are regular VHS, Once again, wrong. see above.
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On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:14:36 -0500, "Deke" <no spam@starband.net> I bought the SR-MV40US from Amazon. It is a combo unit and the VCRwrotG: > >"Wolfgang Schwanke" <see@sig.nature> wrote in message >news:rs70cf.4g.ln@wschwanke.de... >> "R Joseph Cook" <msr***@wiu.edu> wrote in message >> news:f8hlrp$9hc$1@ecom1.wiu.edu... >> >> >> My SVHS unit seems to be on it's last legs. >> >> >> >> Am thinking about getting a new SVHS/DVD recorder. Not only then >> >> could I transfer my SVHS tapes onto DVD, then I can also play those >> >> old tapes as well. >> >> There are no SVHS/DVD combo units in the market. > >Incorrect. JVC made the SR-MV40US, which is a combo unit, S-VHS VCR, and a >DVD recorder. >Do a google. I love mine. > part has the standard JVC VCR features so that it is pretty good as a player and recorder. However, for copying VHS tapes to DVD, it is not the best. The problem with the unit is that if the DVD stops recording because you have run out of disk space or if there is an error, the VHS part automatically rewinds the VHS tape to the beginning. So it is nearly impossible to record a tape on two DVDs. There is supposed to be a feature which allows you to record only a portion of a VHS tape to DVD, but I could never get that feature to woek. -- Howard Show quoteHide quote >Deke > >(snip) > > >>All combos are regular VHS, > >Once again, wrong. see above. > > My SVHS unit seems to be on it's last legs. If you are still looking, I have several Panasonic S-VHS decks withvery low usage. Drop me a line Andys***@aol.com  
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