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Best prosumer video camera $3KUS or under

Author
11 Feb 2007 8:33 AM
John
Hi,

I am looking for a new Prosumer video camera under $3kUS.

I currently have the Canon L1 Hi8 camera and a Panasonic VHS-C
camera.  I am very disappointed with the Canon camera for shooting
Tennis indoors.  When I play back the video it looks bright enough but
there is just way, way to much film grain. ; Could be user error, I
don't know? Some of the video I shot turned out OK at best and some
was so bad I could not even use it.  I thought that this camera was
going to be a bit better than my VHS-C camera but I don't see it!

These are the features I like about the Canon L1 that I would like in
another camera....

1) Manual Shutter speed and Aperture setting.
2)  Manual Zoom.
3) Stereo/Zoom Mic.
4) 15-16x optical Zoom
5) Wide angle lens

I do not care about editing stuff.  I will never use it. I will be
doing all that in Adobe Premiere Pro.  I do care about picture quality
and a picture without film type grain.  This looks like crap, I am a
little frustrated right now.  Even standard Def. with out film grain
look great.  I took auto racing with my VHS-C camera outdoors at
1/4000th shutter speed and it looks really great.  Yes, in my opinion
great not like the crap I got from the tennis stuff.  I know the
tennis is indoors but how bad could the lighting be. Also, the Canon
camera has a 1.4A lens.

The camera does not have to have exchangeable lenses but it does have
to have a wide 3x type adapter lens.

I am assuming that all new cameras are HD is that correct?  Does
anyone make a new SD camera?

Thanks,

John

Author
12 Feb 2007 12:03 PM
Crunchy Doodle
That's a pretty tall order. I suggest checking out this web site for
assistance:

http://www.camcorderinfo.com/

Bye.

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On Feb 11, 12:33 am, "John" <joh***@pacbell.net> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am looking for a new Prosumer video camera under $3kUS.
>
> I currently have the Canon L1 Hi8 camera and a Panasonic VHS-C
> camera.  I am very disappointed with the Canon camera for shooting
> Tennis indoors.  When I play back the video it looks bright enough but
> there is just way, way to much film grain. ; Could be user error, I
> don't know? Some of the video I shot turned out OK at best and some
> was so bad I could not even use it.  I thought that this camera was
> going to be a bit better than my VHS-C camera but I don't see it!
>
> These are the features I like about the Canon L1 that I would like in
> another camera....
>
> 1) Manual Shutter speed and Aperture setting.
> 2)  Manual Zoom.
> 3) Stereo/Zoom Mic.
> 4) 15-16x optical Zoom
> 5) Wide angle lens
>
> I do not care about editing stuff.  I will never use it. I will be
> doing all that in Adobe Premiere Pro.  I do care about picture quality
> and a picture without film type grain.  This looks like crap, I am a
> little frustrated right now.  Even standard Def. with out film grain
> look great.  I took auto racing with my VHS-C camera outdoors at
> 1/4000th shutter speed and it looks really great.  Yes, in my opinion
> great not like the crap I got from the tennis stuff.  I know the
> tennis is indoors but how bad could the lighting be. Also, the Canon
> camera has a 1.4A lens.
>
> The camera does not have to have exchangeable lenses but it does have
> to have a wide 3x type adapter lens.
>
> I am assuming that all new cameras are HD is that correct?  Does
> anyone make a new SD camera?
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
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Author
12 Feb 2007 6:07 PM
PTravel
"Crunchy Doodle" <CrunchyDoo***@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1171281813.165580.129820@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
> That's a pretty tall order. I suggest checking out this web site for
> assistance:
>
> http://www.camcorderinfo.com/
>

Bear in mind that Robin Liss' site is very consumer oriented, and its
reviews, while helpful, tend to be rather optimistically presented.


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> Bye.
>
> On Feb 11, 12:33 am, "John" <joh***@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am looking for a new Prosumer video camera under $3kUS.
>>
>> I currently have the Canon L1 Hi8 camera and a Panasonic VHS-C
>> camera.  I am very disappointed with the Canon camera for shooting
>> Tennis indoors.  When I play back the video it looks bright enough but
>> there is just way, way to much film grain. ; Could be user error, I
>> don't know? Some of the video I shot turned out OK at best and some
>> was so bad I could not even use it.  I thought that this camera was
>> going to be a bit better than my VHS-C camera but I don't see it!
>>
>> These are the features I like about the Canon L1 that I would like in
>> another camera....
>>
>> 1) Manual Shutter speed and Aperture setting.
>> 2)  Manual Zoom.
>> 3) Stereo/Zoom Mic.
>> 4) 15-16x optical Zoom
>> 5) Wide angle lens
>>
>> I do not care about editing stuff.  I will never use it. I will be
>> doing all that in Adobe Premiere Pro.  I do care about picture quality
>> and a picture without film type grain.  This looks like crap, I am a
>> little frustrated right now.  Even standard Def. with out film grain
>> look great.  I took auto racing with my VHS-C camera outdoors at
>> 1/4000th shutter speed and it looks really great.  Yes, in my opinion
>> great not like the crap I got from the tennis stuff.  I know the
>> tennis is indoors but how bad could the lighting be. Also, the Canon
>> camera has a 1.4A lens.
>>
>> The camera does not have to have exchangeable lenses but it does have
>> to have a wide 3x type adapter lens.
>>
>> I am assuming that all new cameras are HD is that correct?  Does
>> anyone make a new SD camera?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> John
>
>
Author
12 Feb 2007 6:06 PM
PTravel
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"John" <joh***@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:1171182820.321020.303840@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> Hi,
>
> I am looking for a new Prosumer video camera under $3kUS.
>
> I currently have the Canon L1 Hi8 camera and a Panasonic VHS-C
> camera.  I am very disappointed with the Canon camera for shooting
> Tennis indoors.  When I play back the video it looks bright enough but
> there is just way, way to much film grain. ; Could be user error, I
> don't know? Some of the video I shot turned out OK at best and some
> was so bad I could not even use it.  I thought that this camera was
> going to be a bit better than my VHS-C camera but I don't see it!
>
> These are the features I like about the Canon L1 that I would like in
> another camera....
>
> 1) Manual Shutter speed and Aperture setting.
> 2)  Manual Zoom.
> 3) Stereo/Zoom Mic.
> 4) 15-16x optical Zoom
> 5) Wide angle lens

The Sony VX2100 or the PD-170 (the pro version of the prosumer VX2100)
produces the highest-quality standard definition video under $3,000.
Feature films have been shot with it, and the BBC uses them for ENG
(electronic news gathering).

You can set manual shutter and aperture.

It can zoom manually, but it is servo controlled, i.e. you turn a ring on
the lens but it's a servo motor that actually moves the lens elements.

It has a an excellent on-board stereo mike.  It doesn't "zoom," but that's a
gimmick anyway that doesn't really work.  You can always plug in a shotgun
if that's what you want.

Its optical zoom is 10x, but you can get a teleadapter if that's what you
need.

"Wide angle" is a subjective term.  There are high-quality WA adapters for
it if it doesn't go wide enough for you.

Its video quality is stunning and it does an incredible job under low-light
conditions.


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>
> I do not care about editing stuff.  I will never use it. I will be
> doing all that in Adobe Premiere Pro.  I do care about picture quality
> and a picture without film type grain.  This looks like crap, I am a
> little frustrated right now.  Even standard Def. with out film grain
> look great.  I took auto racing with my VHS-C camera outdoors at
> 1/4000th shutter speed and it looks really great.  Yes, in my opinion
> great not like the crap I got from the tennis stuff.  I know the
> tennis is indoors but how bad could the lighting be. Also, the Canon
> camera has a 1.4A lens.
>
> The camera does not have to have exchangeable lenses but it does have
> to have a wide 3x type adapter lens.
>
> I am assuming that all new cameras are HD is that correct?  Does
> anyone make a new SD camera?
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>
Author
13 Feb 2007 3:59 PM
David Ruether
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"PTravel" <ptra***@travelersvideo.com> wrote in message news:53bokkF1s2lknU1@mid.individual.net...
> "John" <joh***@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:1171182820.321020.303840@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...

>> I am looking for a new Prosumer video camera under $3kUS.
>>
>> I currently have the Canon L1 Hi8 camera and a Panasonic VHS-C
>> camera.  I am very disappointed with the Canon camera for shooting
>> Tennis indoors.  When I play back the video it looks bright enough but
>> there is just way, way to much film grain. ; Could be user error, I
>> don't know? Some of the video I shot turned out OK at best and some
>> was so bad I could not even use it.  I thought that this camera was
>> going to be a bit better than my VHS-C camera but I don't see it!
>>
>> These are the features I like about the Canon L1 that I would like in
>> another camera....
>>
>> 1) Manual Shutter speed and Aperture setting.
>> 2)  Manual Zoom.
>> 3) Stereo/Zoom Mic.
>> 4) 15-16x optical Zoom
>> 5) Wide angle lens

> The Sony VX2100 or the PD-170 (the pro version of the prosumer VX2100) produces the highest-quality standard definition video
> under $3,000. Feature films have been shot with it, and the BBC uses them for ENG (electronic news gathering).
>
> You can set manual shutter and aperture.
>
> It can zoom manually, but it is servo controlled, i.e. you turn a ring on the lens but it's a servo motor that actually moves the
> lens elements.
>
> It has a an excellent on-board stereo mike.  It doesn't "zoom," but that's a gimmick anyway that doesn't really work.  You can
> always plug in a shotgun if that's what you want.
>
> Its optical zoom is 10x, but you can get a teleadapter if that's what you need.
>
> "Wide angle" is a subjective term.  There are high-quality WA adapters for it if it doesn't go wide enough for you.
>
> Its video quality is stunning and it does an incredible job under low-light conditions.

I agree with the above (which includes the very similar
Sony VX2000 and PD150 - and, BTW, I have a LN
VX2000 and the WA and tele lens converters FS at --
www.ferrario.com/ruether/fs-camcorders.htm [soon to
be www.donferrario.com/ruether/fs-camcorders.htm],
and this listing has the URLs for my comparisons with
other camcorders and a review of the VX2000 with
frame-grabs).
--
David Ruether
DRuet***@twcny.rr.com
r***@cornell.edu
www.ferrario.com/ruether

(soon to be - www.donferrario.com/ruether)

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