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Mini DV with blown Firewire port - source for replacement parts?
website has an online service repair estimator that tells me regardless of the problem with my camera, the repairs will be $157 (unless the camera is really botched, then it could be more!). Since the camera is perfect except for the Firewire port, I do not want to sell it and get a new one. Nor do I wish to buy a second camcorder to use solely as a transfer deck. Also, paying $157 seems to me to be a bit much. Instead, I want to take a stab at replacing the Firewire port myself. Perhaps it is more difficult than I anticipate, but what's the worst that could happen, that I'd ruin the already dead port? I figure that if I sent the camera to an authorized service repair technician, he would have to order the replacement part from *someone* and it would have to have a part number of some sort. But I cannot find this info on the Canon website and I've spent lots of time in fruitless Google searches. Anyhow, I'd like to know if anyone knows of a source for the replacement part and if there are technical documents on the Internet that show the step-by-step replacement procedure. Thanks in advance. Alan "The poster formerly known as Colleyville Alan" <nospam@nospam.net> writes: Do you have a more precise idea what is wrong? Is the Firewire *jack*>Since the camera is perfect except for the Firewire port, I do not want to >sell it and get a new one. Nor do I wish to buy a second camcorder to use >solely as a transfer deck. Also, paying $157 seems to me to be a bit much. >Instead, I want to take a stab at replacing the Firewire port myself. >Perhaps it is more difficult than I anticipate, but what's the worst that >could happen, that I'd ruin the already dead port? I figure that if I sent >the camera to an authorized service repair technician, he would have to >order the replacement part from *someone* and it would have to have a part >number of some sort. But I cannot find this info on the Canon website and >I've spent lots of time in fruitless Google searches. mechanically damaged? Or is it the Firewire port *electronics* that are dead? Replacing the jack is plausible - you just have to figure out how to dismantle the camera enough to get at it. The solder connections to the jack itself are likely to be fairly large and relatively easy to work on. On the other hand, if a chip is blown, replacing a tiny surface-mount chip on a circuit board is likely far beyond your abilities, given that you're asking this question. Even Canon's repair people won't do that; they will replace the entire board. You could do the board replacement as well, if you could get the board, but it isn't necessarily going to save you any money. The worst that could happen is you could turn a camcorder that currently functions perfectly for recording into a pile of junk. Then you will have to buy another camcorder. But if you just bought another camcorder and left this one alone, you would have two working camcorders (only one of which can be used for computer transfers). Is a second camera useful? Dave
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"Dave Martindale" <da***@cs.ubc.ca> wrote in message Mechanically, the jack is find. It is the Firewire electronics that are news:elhk6r$qln$1@swain.cs.ubc.ca... > "The poster formerly known as Colleyville Alan" <nospam@nospam.net> > writes: > >>Since the camera is perfect except for the Firewire port, I do not want to >>sell it and get a new one. Nor do I wish to buy a second camcorder to use >>solely as a transfer deck. Also, paying $157 seems to me to be a bit >>much. > >>Instead, I want to take a stab at replacing the Firewire port myself. >>Perhaps it is more difficult than I anticipate, but what's the worst that >>could happen, that I'd ruin the already dead port? I figure that if I >>sent >>the camera to an authorized service repair technician, he would have to >>order the replacement part from *someone* and it would have to have a part >>number of some sort. But I cannot find this info on the Canon website and >>I've spent lots of time in fruitless Google searches. > > Do you have a more precise idea what is wrong? Is the Firewire *jack* > mechanically damaged? Or is it the Firewire port *electronics* that are > dead? gone. > Replacing the jack is plausible - you just have to figure out how to Ah, ok. I did not realize than an entire circuit board was involved. But I > dismantle the camera enough to get at it. The solder connections to the > jack itself are likely to be fairly large and relatively easy to work > on. > > On the other hand, if a chip is blown, replacing a tiny surface-mount > chip on a circuit board is likely far beyond your abilities, given that > you're asking this question. Even Canon's repair people won't do that; > they will replace the entire board. You could do the board replacement > as well, if you could get the board, but it isn't necessarily going to > save you any money. found a post from somebody who had their Firewire port & underlying circuit board on a Canon replaced "It cost $78 labor and the part, which consists of a circuit board with the three connectors on one edge and presumably some kind of ribbon connector on the other edge, cost $65 and it took a couple of weeks to arrive from Canon." So the guy spent $143, $65 of which was for the board. Looks like I could save some money, but I would need a source for the board. Canon's website is not helpful in that regard. > The worst that could happen is you could turn a camcorder that currently That only happens when I engage in plumbing projects :)> functions perfectly for recording into a pile of junk. You are correct, if that circuit board has functionality beyond making the Firewire port operational. >Then you will I do not see a second camera as being useful, the Canon was pricey and I > have to buy another camcorder. But if you just bought another camcorder > and left this one alone, you would have two working camcorders (only one > of which can be used for computer transfers). Is a second camera > useful? like it quite a bit so if I had a second camera and wanted to use it for anything worthwhile, I'd probably want one just as good and that would be a lot of money. But if that is my best option, I'll take it. Are there any inexpensive transfer decks or is that going to be more expensive than buying a camcorder? What is the least expensive camcorder that would get the job done for transferring video from a Mini DV via Firewire? "The poster formerly known as Colleyville Alan" <nospam@nospam.net> writes: Probably, since it's a smaller market for MiniDV decks than camcorders.>Are there any inexpensive transfer decks or is that going to be more >expensive than buying a camcorder? >What is the least expensive camcorder that would get the job done for Any MiniDV camcorder at all should do this. It just has to have a>transferring video from a Mini DV via Firewire? Firewire port. This includes a used camcorder with a broken lens or broken LCD, so you may be able to get one cheaply. Dave On 12/13/2006, Dave Martindale posted this:
Show quoteHide quote > "The poster formerly known as Colleyville Alan" <nospam@nospam.net> writes: I have heard (well, to be honest, I *think* I have heard) that not all > >> Are there any inexpensive transfer decks or is that going to be more >> expensive than buying a camcorder? > > Probably, since it's a smaller market for MiniDV decks than camcorders. > >> What is the least expensive camcorder that would get the job done for >> transferring video from a Mini DV via Firewire? > > Any MiniDV camcorder at all should do this. It just has to have a > Firewire port. This includes a used camcorder with a broken lens or > broken LCD, so you may be able to get one cheaply. > > Dave DV camcorders have passthrough, so the OP would be advised to verify that the recorder has that feature before sending his money to the seller. BTW, "passthrough" is the usual term for this function, if anyone is planning to Google or otherwise search for it. You can search on "analog passthrough" or even "digital passthrough" as well. -- Gene E. Bloch (Gino) letters617blochg3251 (replace the numbers by "at" and "dotcom") hamburger@NOT_SPAM.invalid writes:
>> Any MiniDV camcorder at all should do this. It just has to have a He doesn't need passthrough. All he needs is a MiniDV camcorder that will play a tape>> Firewire port. This includes a used camcorder with a broken lens or >> broken LCD, so you may be able to get one cheaply. >I have heard (well, to be honest, I *think* I have heard) that not all >DV camcorders have passthrough, so the OP would be advised to verify >that the recorder has that feature before sending his money to the >seller. and send the data stream out its Firewire port. That allows him to shoot video with his good existing camcorder (which has a broken Firewire port), then move the tape to the camcorder with the working Firewire port and tape transport. There's no reason he would want to play the tape in camcorder #1, produce an analog video output, then have that digitized by camcorder #2. The extra decompress+D/A+A/D+compress steps would inevitably reduce quality compared to just moving the data in digital form between the two camcorders. Dave On 12/13/2006, Dave Martindale posted this:
Show quoteHide quote > hamburger@NOT_SPAM.invalid writes: It sort of looks like I didn't read[1] the subject...> >>> Any MiniDV camcorder at all should do this. It just has to have a >>> Firewire port. This includes a used camcorder with a broken lens or >>> broken LCD, so you may be able to get one cheaply. > >> I have heard (well, to be honest, I *think* I have heard) that not all >> DV camcorders have passthrough, so the OP would be advised to verify >> that the recorder has that feature before sending his money to the >> seller. > > He doesn't need passthrough. All he needs is a MiniDV camcorder that will > play a tape and send the data stream out its Firewire port. That allows him > to shoot video with his good existing camcorder (which has a broken Firewire > port), then move the tape to the camcorder with the working Firewire port and > tape transport. > > There's no reason he would want to play the tape in camcorder #1, produce an > analog video output, then have that digitized by camcorder #2. The extra > decompress+D/A+A/D+compress steps would inevitably reduce quality compared to > just moving the data in digital form between the two camcorders. > > Dave Thanks for catching my error. [1] Or perhaps I just didn't understand it :-) -- Gene E. Bloch (Gino) letters617blochg3251 (replace the numbers by "at" and "dotcom")
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"Dave Martindale" <da***@cs.ubc.ca> wrote in message Thanks for the info.news:elqafg$ldl$2@swain.cs.ubc.ca... > "The poster formerly known as Colleyville Alan" <nospam@nospam.net> > writes: > >>Are there any inexpensive transfer decks or is that going to be more >>expensive than buying a camcorder? > > Probably, since it's a smaller market for MiniDV decks than camcorders. > >>What is the least expensive camcorder that would get the job done for >>transferring video from a Mini DV via Firewire? > > Any MiniDV camcorder at all should do this. It just has to have a > Firewire port. This includes a used camcorder with a broken lens or > broken LCD, so you may be able to get one cheaply. > > Dave Alan
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