? "Jukka Aho" <jukka.***@iki.fi> ?????? ??? ??????
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> Tzortzakakis Dimitrios wrote:
>
> > Anyway, I will get (probably)the sony dcr hc 23-e.What else
> > do I need, besides a dvd burner and a firewire card?
>
> Quoting my recent message in another thread:
>
> --- 8< ---
>
> I think that working with video really  requires building a toolbox of
> programs, and using the right tool for the right job. Even if you had a
> Leatherman, or a Swiss army knife, or a Dremel, every now and then you
> will still need a good old-fashioned hammer, or a handsaw, or a
> heavy-duty wrench. And lots of duct tape. And a crowbar, and some wires,
> and a soldering iron, and an air compressor, and a 5-ton vibrating
> tandem drum asphalt roller, and...
>
> My toolbox would include, at minimum, 1) a timeline-based multitrack
> video editor with effects and transitions, 2) a tweakable MPEG encoder,
> 3) a DVD authoring program, 4) a paint / photo retouching program, 5)
> some stand-alone video processing tools and their plugins for more
> obscure and/or more direct processing (Avisynth, VirtualDub).
>

> --- 8< ---
>
> I prefer separate tools, but the cheaper "consumer-level" offerings are
> often all-in-one wonders.
>
> Most of the time there is a downloadable demo or trial version. You
> might want to try out these:
>
>  Video Editing:
>
>  <http://www.ulead.com/vs/>
>  <http://www.adobe.com/products/premiereel/>
>  <http://www.adobe.com/products/premiere/>
>  <http://www.ulead.com/msp/runme.htm>
>  <http://www.sonymediasoftware.com/products/vegasfamily.asp>
>  <http://www.avid.com/products/liquidfamily/index.asp>
>
>  MPEG-2 encoders:
>
>  <http://www.tmpgenc.net/en/e_main.html>
>  <http://tmpgenc.pegasys-inc.com/en/product/te4xp.html>
>  <http://www.cinemacraft.com/eng/index.html>
>
>  DVD authoring:
>
>  <http://www.ulead.com/dws/runme.htm>
>  <http://www.mediachance.com/dvdlab/>
>  <http://tmpgenc.pegasys-inc.com/en/product/tda20.html>
>
>  Still images:
>
>  <http://www.gimp.org/> (Free)
>
>  Audio editing:
>
>  <http://audacity.sourceforge.net/> (Free)
>  <http://www.adobe.com/products/audition/>
>
>  Video processing:
>
>  <http://www.virtualdub.org/> (Free)
>  <http://www.avisynth.org/> (Free)
>  <http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.avisynth.org/>
>

"Tzortzakakis Dimitrios" <dimtz***@otenet.gr> wrote in message
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> Hi everyone,
> recently my VCR bit the dust and got a sony dvd player.Of course there was
> no reason to keep an 8mm analogue camcorder, so I exchanged it to a Canon
> Power Shot A10 (I know,I know it's too old).Anyway, I will get
(probably)the
> sony dcr hc 23-e.What else do I need, besides a dvd burner and a firewire
> card?My HD is relatively small, now has only 60 GB free, do I need
something
> larger, say for 60 mini DV mins and authoring etc. the DVD ?Is there
> something else I need,I have nero for burning the dvd?My computer is not a
> super champion but I think it will do, 2.4 GHz celeron, 512 MB, 80 GB HD
ATA
> 133,win 2k greek,mobo QDI 848 i P4,gcard geforce 4 mx 440.
> TIA,
>
>
> --
> Tzortzakakis Dimitrios
> major in electrical engineering
> mechanized infantry reservist
> dimtzort AT otenet DOT gr

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> "Tzortzakakis Dimitrios" <dimtz***@otenet.gr> wrote in message
> news:ejd05q$bc5$1@mouse.otenet.gr...
> > Hi everyone,
> > recently my VCR bit the dust and got a sony dvd player.Of course there
was
> > no reason to keep an 8mm analogue camcorder, so I exchanged it to a
Canon
> > Power Shot A10 (I know,I know it's too old).Anyway, I will get
> (probably)the
> > sony dcr hc 23-e.What else do I need, besides a dvd burner and a
firewire
> > card?My HD is relatively small, now has only 60 GB free, do I need
> something
> > larger, say for 60 mini DV mins and authoring etc. the DVD ?Is there
> > something else I need,I have nero for burning the dvd?My computer is not
a
> > super champion but I think it will do, 2.4 GHz celeron, 512 MB, 80 GB HD
> ATA
> > 133,win 2k greek,mobo QDI 848 i P4,gcard geforce 4 mx 440.
> > TIA,
> >
> >
> > --
> > Tzortzakakis Dimitrios
> > major in electrical engineering
> > mechanized infantry reservist
> > dimtzort AT otenet DOT gr
>
> 60 GB is acceptable for editing but you might want to consider an external
> HD for backup and longer term storage.

"Tzortzakakis Dimitrios" <dimtz***@otenet.gr> wrote in message
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>
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> news:BQL6h.3202$PI1.949@newsfe23.lga...
> > "Tzortzakakis Dimitrios" <dimtz***@otenet.gr> wrote in message
> > news:ejd05q$bc5$1@mouse.otenet.gr...
> > > Hi everyone,
> > > recently my VCR bit the dust and got a sony dvd player.Of course there
> was
> > > no reason to keep an 8mm analogue camcorder, so I exchanged it to a
> Canon
> > > Power Shot A10 (I know,I know it's too old).Anyway, I will get
> > (probably)the
> > > sony dcr hc 23-e.What else do I need, besides a dvd burner and a
> firewire
> > > card?My HD is relatively small, now has only 60 GB free, do I need
> > something
> > > larger, say for 60 mini DV mins and authoring etc. the DVD ?Is there
> > > something else I need,I have nero for burning the dvd?My computer is
not
> a
> > > super champion but I think it will do, 2.4 GHz celeron, 512 MB, 80 GB
HD
> > ATA
> > > 133,win 2k greek,mobo QDI 848 i P4,gcard geforce 4 mx 440.
> > > TIA,
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Tzortzakakis Dimitrios
> > > major in electrical engineering
> > > mechanized infantry reservist
> > > dimtzort AT otenet DOT gr
> >
> > 60 GB is acceptable for editing but you might want to consider an
external
> > HD for backup and longer term storage.
> My mobo is SATA capable so I may upgrade to a reasonable HD in the future.
> >Video takes a tremendous amount of HD
> > space because you not only have the raw captured video files but also
the
> > final edited and rendered file. Thes can be especially large files if
you
> > capture in avi format. I think your memory is minimal for video editing
> but
> > check with whatever editing package you decide to try.
> Unless I trash both 256 MB modules and get a 1 GB (or 2 512 MB) there's no
> way to change that.Nobody will want them even if I give them away.It's a
> miracle I got rid of the 8 mm camcorder, nobody else has replied for 10
> days.
> >The faster the
> > processor, the better as far as the time taken to render a final edited
> > product but your Celeron should be OK if not blistering in speed.
> I won't mind about that.My computer vendor tried to persuade me to get a
> full new computer, for reason:PCI express is better than agp, even 8X,SATA
> is better than UATA 133, dual core 64 bit is better than celeron,1 GB is
> better than 512 MB and so on.My budget is tight right now as I'm still an
> apprentice and I can't trash my computer just because it's outdated.
> >All that
> > said, you actually don't need a computer at all to transfer to VHS: most
> > camcorders come with A/V output that can connect directly to the
recording
> > inputs on a VCR. Of course, that means little if any editing will be
> > possible.
> I don't want to do this.If I would, I'd have kept the 8mm camcorder.All
this
> is about being able to produce dvds.
> >One comment on the Sony camcorders: I think most of the consumer
> > level ones use a touchscreen method for changing parameters. Some like
> this,
> > others hate it.
> I wouldn't mind as long as the final video is of high quality and the
camera
> keeps long enough for its cost.
> Thanks a lot for your heartwarming message.
>
>
>
> --
> Tzortzakakis Dimitrios
> major in electrical engineering
> mechanized infantry reservist
> dimtzort AT otenet DOT gr
>

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> "Tzortzakakis Dimitrios" <dimtz***@otenet.gr> wrote in message
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> >
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> > news:BQL6h.3202$PI1.949@newsfe23.lga...
> > > "Tzortzakakis Dimitrios" <dimtz***@otenet.gr> wrote in message
> > > news:ejd05q$bc5$1@mouse.otenet.gr...
> > > > Hi everyone,
> > > > recently my VCR bit the dust and got a sony dvd player.Of course
there
> > was
> > > > no reason to keep an 8mm analogue camcorder, so I exchanged it to a
> > Canon
> > > > Power Shot A10 (I know,I know it's too old).Anyway, I will get
> > > (probably)the
> > > > sony dcr hc 23-e.What else do I need, besides a dvd burner and a
> > firewire
> > > > card?My HD is relatively small, now has only 60 GB free, do I need
> > > something
> > > > larger, say for 60 mini DV mins and authoring etc. the DVD ?Is there
> > > > something else I need,I have nero for burning the dvd?My computer is
> not
> > a
> > > > super champion but I think it will do, 2.4 GHz celeron, 512 MB, 80
GB
> HD
> > > ATA
> > > > 133,win 2k greek,mobo QDI 848 i P4,gcard geforce 4 mx 440.
> > > > TIA,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Tzortzakakis Dimitrios
> > > > major in electrical engineering
> > > > mechanized infantry reservist
> > > > dimtzort AT otenet DOT gr
> > >
> > > 60 GB is acceptable for editing but you might want to consider an
> external
> > > HD for backup and longer term storage.
> > My mobo is SATA capable so I may upgrade to a reasonable HD in the
future.
> > >Video takes a tremendous amount of HD
> > > space because you not only have the raw captured video files but also
> the
> > > final edited and rendered file. Thes can be especially large files if
> you
> > > capture in avi format. I think your memory is minimal for video
editing
> > but
> > > check with whatever editing package you decide to try.
> > Unless I trash both 256 MB modules and get a 1 GB (or 2 512 MB) there's
no
> > way to change that.Nobody will want them even if I give them away.It's a
> > miracle I got rid of the 8 mm camcorder, nobody else has replied for 10
> > days.
> > >The faster the
> > > processor, the better as far as the time taken to render a final
edited
> > > product but your Celeron should be OK if not blistering in speed.
> > I won't mind about that.My computer vendor tried to persuade me to get a
> > full new computer, for reason:PCI express is better than agp, even
8X,SATA
> > is better than UATA 133, dual core 64 bit is better than celeron,1 GB is
> > better than 512 MB and so on.My budget is tight right now as I'm still
an
> > apprentice and I can't trash my computer just because it's outdated.
> > >All that
> > > said, you actually don't need a computer at all to transfer to VHS:
most
> > > camcorders come with A/V output that can connect directly to the
> recording
> > > inputs on a VCR. Of course, that means little if any editing will be
> > > possible.
> > I don't want to do this.If I would, I'd have kept the 8mm camcorder.All
> this
> > is about being able to produce dvds.
> > >One comment on the Sony camcorders: I think most of the consumer
> > > level ones use a touchscreen method for changing parameters. Some like
> > this,
> > > others hate it.
> > I wouldn't mind as long as the final video is of high quality and the
> camera
> > keeps long enough for its cost.
> > Thanks a lot for your heartwarming message.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Tzortzakakis Dimitrios
> > major in electrical engineering
> > mechanized infantry reservist
> > dimtzort AT otenet DOT gr
> >
> A couple of points. First, you will want to make sure that with whatever
> software you use, you eliminate non-essential processes that might run in
> the background. Also a good idea to have a freshly defragmented HD.

>

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> > "Tzortzakakis Dimitrios" <dimtz***@otenet.gr> wrote in message
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> > > > "Tzortzakakis Dimitrios" <dimtz***@otenet.gr> wrote in message
> > > > news:ejd05q$bc5$1@mouse.otenet.gr...
> > > > > Hi everyone,
> > > > > recently my VCR bit the dust and got a sony dvd player.Of course
> there
> > > was
> > > > > no reason to keep an 8mm analogue camcorder, so I exchanged it to
a
> > > Canon
> > > > > Power Shot A10 (I know,I know it's too old).Anyway, I will get
> > > > (probably)the
> > > > > sony dcr hc 23-e.What else do I need, besides a dvd burner and a
> > > firewire
> > > > > card?My HD is relatively small, now has only 60 GB free, do I need
> > > > something
> > > > > larger, say for 60 mini DV mins and authoring etc. the DVD ?Is
there
> > > > > something else I need,I have nero for burning the dvd?My computer
is
> > not
> > > a
> > > > > super champion but I think it will do, 2.4 GHz celeron, 512 MB, 80
> GB
> > HD
> > > > ATA
> > > > > 133,win 2k greek,mobo QDI 848 i P4,gcard geforce 4 mx 440.
> > > > > TIA,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Tzortzakakis Dimitrios
> > > > > major in electrical engineering
> > > > > mechanized infantry reservist
> > > > > dimtzort AT otenet DOT gr
> > > >
> > > > 60 GB is acceptable for editing but you might want to consider an
> > external
> > > > HD for backup and longer term storage.
> > > My mobo is SATA capable so I may upgrade to a reasonable HD in the
> future.
> > > >Video takes a tremendous amount of HD
> > > > space because you not only have the raw captured video files but
also
> > the
> > > > final edited and rendered file. Thes can be especially large files
if
> > you
> > > > capture in avi format. I think your memory is minimal for video
> editing
> > > but
> > > > check with whatever editing package you decide to try.
> > > Unless I trash both 256 MB modules and get a 1 GB (or 2 512 MB)
there's
> no
> > > way to change that.Nobody will want them even if I give them away.It's
a
> > > miracle I got rid of the 8 mm camcorder, nobody else has replied for
10
> > > days.
> > > >The faster the
> > > > processor, the better as far as the time taken to render a final
> edited
> > > > product but your Celeron should be OK if not blistering in speed.
> > > I won't mind about that.My computer vendor tried to persuade me to get
a
> > > full new computer, for reason:PCI express is better than agp, even
> 8X,SATA
> > > is better than UATA 133, dual core 64 bit is better than celeron,1 GB
is
> > > better than 512 MB and so on.My budget is tight right now as I'm still
> an
> > > apprentice and I can't trash my computer just because it's outdated.
> > > >All that
> > > > said, you actually don't need a computer at all to transfer to VHS:
> most
> > > > camcorders come with A/V output that can connect directly to the
> > recording
> > > > inputs on a VCR. Of course, that means little if any editing will be
> > > > possible.
> > > I don't want to do this.If I would, I'd have kept the 8mm
camcorder.All
> > this
> > > is about being able to produce dvds.
> > > >One comment on the Sony camcorders: I think most of the consumer
> > > > level ones use a touchscreen method for changing parameters. Some
like
> > > this,
> > > > others hate it.
> > > I wouldn't mind as long as the final video is of high quality and the
> > camera
> > > keeps long enough for its cost.
> > > Thanks a lot for your heartwarming message.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Tzortzakakis Dimitrios
> > > major in electrical engineering
> > > mechanized infantry reservist
> > > dimtzort AT otenet DOT gr
> > >
> > A couple of points. First, you will want to make sure that with whatever

> > software you use, you eliminate non-essential processes that might run
in
> > the background. Also a good idea to have a freshly defragmented HD.
> I defrag my HD every week.The only processes that run background (on
> taskbar) are the tiny speaker )for the soundcard)the internat.exe (switch
> keyboard greek/english)and the dialup connection icon when I'm
> connected.Otherwise I wouldn't be able to use that computer at all.And, at
> msconfig, I disabled everything but the absolutely necessary that runs at
> startup(you can't imagine what's in there, every app has its own startup
> trash)
> >I began
> > video editing with a pentium II 400 MHz PC six years ago but now the new
> > software requirements are such that it wouldn't work: e.g., Videostudio
10
> > requires a Pentium 4 or higher processor. Interestingly, the more
> > professional Mediastudio Pro only requires a Pentium III. Go figure!
> >

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> > > >
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> > > > > "Tzortzakakis Dimitrios" <dimtz***@otenet.gr> wrote in message
> > > > > news:ejd05q$bc5$1@mouse.otenet.gr...
> > > > > > Hi everyone,
> > > > > > recently my VCR bit the dust and got a sony dvd player.Of course
> > there
> > > > was
> > > > > > no reason to keep an 8mm analogue camcorder, so I exchanged it
to
> a
> > > > Canon
> > > > > > Power Shot A10 (I know,I know it's too old).Anyway, I will get
> > > > > (probably)the
> > > > > > sony dcr hc 23-e.What else do I need, besides a dvd burner and a
> > > > firewire
> > > > > > card?My HD is relatively small, now has only 60 GB free, do I
need
> > > > > something
> > > > > > larger, say for 60 mini DV mins and authoring etc. the DVD ?Is
> there
> > > > > > something else I need,I have nero for burning the dvd?My
computer
> is
> > > not
> > > > a
> > > > > > super champion but I think it will do, 2.4 GHz celeron, 512 MB,
80
> > GB
> > > HD
> > > > > ATA
> > > > > > 133,win 2k greek,mobo QDI 848 i P4,gcard geforce 4 mx 440.
> > > > > > TIA,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Tzortzakakis Dimitrios
> > > > > > major in electrical engineering
> > > > > > mechanized infantry reservist
> > > > > > dimtzort AT otenet DOT gr
> > > > >
> > > > > 60 GB is acceptable for editing but you might want to consider an
> > > external
> > > > > HD for backup and longer term storage.
> > > > My mobo is SATA capable so I may upgrade to a reasonable HD in the
> > future.
> > > > >Video takes a tremendous amount of HD
> > > > > space because you not only have the raw captured video files but
> also
> > > the
> > > > > final edited and rendered file. Thes can be especially large files
> if
> > > you
> > > > > capture in avi format. I think your memory is minimal for video
> > editing
> > > > but
> > > > > check with whatever editing package you decide to try.
> > > > Unless I trash both 256 MB modules and get a 1 GB (or 2 512 MB)
> there's
> > no
> > > > way to change that.Nobody will want them even if I give them

> a
> > > > miracle I got rid of the 8 mm camcorder, nobody else has replied for
> 10
> > > > days.
> > > > >The faster the
> > > > > processor, the better as far as the time taken to render a final
> > edited
> > > > > product but your Celeron should be OK if not blistering in speed.
> > > > I won't mind about that.My computer vendor tried to persuade me to
get
> a
> > > > full new computer, for reason:PCI express is better than agp, even
> > 8X,SATA
> > > > is better than UATA 133, dual core 64 bit is better than celeron,1
GB
> is
> > > > better than 512 MB and so on.My budget is tight right now as I'm
still
> > an
> > > > apprentice and I can't trash my computer just because it's outdated.
> > > > >All that
> > > > > said, you actually don't need a computer at all to transfer to
VHS:
> > most
> > > > > camcorders come with A/V output that can connect directly to the
> > > recording
> > > > > inputs on a VCR. Of course, that means little if any editing will
be
> > > > > possible.
> > > > I don't want to do this.If I would, I'd have kept the 8mm
> camcorder.All
> > > this
> > > > is about being able to produce dvds.
> > > > >One comment on the Sony camcorders: I think most of the consumer
> > > > > level ones use a touchscreen method for changing parameters. Some
> like
> > > > this,
> > > > > others hate it.
> > > > I wouldn't mind as long as the final video is of high quality and
the
> > > camera
> > > > keeps long enough for its cost.
> > > > Thanks a lot for your heartwarming message.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Tzortzakakis Dimitrios
> > > > major in electrical engineering
> > > > mechanized infantry reservist
> > > > dimtzort AT otenet DOT gr
> > > >
> > > A couple of points. First, you will want to make sure that with
whatever
>
> > > software you use, you eliminate non-essential processes that might run
> in
> > > the background. Also a good idea to have a freshly defragmented HD.
> > I defrag my HD every week.The only processes that run background (on
> > taskbar) are the tiny speaker )for the soundcard)the internat.exe
(switch
> > keyboard greek/english)and the dialup connection icon when I'm
> > connected.Otherwise I wouldn't be able to use that computer at all.And,
at
> > msconfig, I disabled everything but the absolutely necessary that runs
at
> > startup(you can't imagine what's in there, every app has its own startup
> > trash)
> > >I began
> > > video editing with a pentium II 400 MHz PC six years ago but now the
new
> > > software requirements are such that it wouldn't work: e.g.,
Videostudio
> 10
> > > requires a Pentium 4 or higher processor. Interestingly, the more
> > > professional Mediastudio Pro only requires a Pentium III. Go figure!
> > >
> Thanks a lot for all answers.Anyway, yesterday I went to the shops and
> finally got the sony dcr hc-32 e for only 350 euros, also with 120 euros
> discount.It was the one in one of those machines, you know, that compare
> normal mini DV and HD cameras,that have 2 large buttons and let you choose
> which camera's image to see in a monitor with the same subject, so it was
> slightly used but I think this is still a great deal.Actually, it has more
> than I'd ever ask for or even dream of, spot metering, manual (and spot)
> focusing, manual (and spot) white balance, can take photos.And it came
with
> some software and USB 2.0 cable so that you can burn video cds.I'm
> wondering, one of the latest japanese products come with a VCD burning
> software?Anyway, I might use my sister's husband's laptop, to burn
> dvds.Anyway, I think that this is more like a prosumer camera, not the
very
> basic model I was aiming for.
> Thanks again!
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