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Author
17 Jun 2006 11:28 AM
mutefan
Do you absolutely need a firewire to download video to a computer?

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If you're so inclined, could you tell why you need a firewire and not a
USB?  IIRC, I have ports all over my ThinkPad; I just want to
understand the difference between these two transfer mechanisms (I've
already read www.pcguide.com).

Author
17 Jun 2006 12:25 PM
PTravel
<mute***@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Do you absolutely need a firewire to download video to a computer?

Yes, if you want high-quality video.

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> If you're so inclined, could you tell why you need a firewire and not a
> USB?

Because camcorder manufacturers seized on the 1394/Firewire standard before
USB 2.0 was introduced, and USB 1.1 wasn't fast enough, and it has remained
the standard for video transfer.

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>  IIRC, I have ports all over my ThinkPad; I just want to
> understand the difference between these two transfer mechanisms (I've
> already read www.pcguide.com).
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Author
17 Jun 2006 4:48 PM
Wolfgang Schwanke
mute***@yahoo.com wrote in
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> Do you absolutely need a firewire to download video to a computer?

No

> If you're so inclined, could you tell why you need a firewire and not
> a USB?  IIRC, I have ports all over my ThinkPad; I just want to
> understand the difference between these two transfer mechanisms (I've
> already read www.pcguide.com).

You're missing the fact that you can do analogue transfer provided you
have the right hardware.

Regards

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Author
17 Jun 2006 11:15 PM
PTravel
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"Wolfgang Schwanke" <see@sig.nature> wrote in message
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> mute***@yahoo.com wrote in
> news:1150543722.833973.58710@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>
>> Do you absolutely need a firewire to download video to a computer?
>
> No
>
>> If you're so inclined, could you tell why you need a firewire and not
>> a USB?  IIRC, I have ports all over my ThinkPad; I just want to
>> understand the difference between these two transfer mechanisms (I've
>> already read www.pcguide.com).
>
> You're missing the fact that you can do analogue transfer provided you
> have the right hardware.

There's no such thing as "analogue transfer."  There is analog _capture_,
which is not at all the same thing as digital transfer of video.  You want
to introduce an additional analog/digital conversion which will adversely
effect video quality.


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> Regards
>
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Author
18 Jun 2006 10:26 PM
Wolfgang Schwanke
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"PTravel" <ptra***@ruyitang.com> wrote in
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>>> Do you absolutely need a firewire to download video to a computer?
>>
>> No
>>
>>> If you're so inclined, could you tell why you need a firewire and
>>> not a USB?  IIRC, I have ports all over my ThinkPad; I just want to
>>> understand the difference between these two transfer mechanisms
>>> (I've already read www.pcguide.com).
>>
>> You're missing the fact that you can do analogue transfer provided
>> you have the right hardware.
>
> There's no such thing as "analogue transfer."  There is analog
> _capture_, which is not at all the same thing as digital transfer of
> video.

You're putting meanings into my words that aren't there. This is just a
usenet posting with accordingly sloppy wording. You don't need to teach
me that you need A/D conversion to transfer analogue video into a
computer. I've been working with framegrabbers much longer than you
probably have.

> You want to introduce an additional analog/digital conversion
> which will adversely effect video quality.

I was merely answering the OP's question. He asked if firewire was his
only option, and the answer is clearly no, and stated one other that
exists. If it's recommendable or not is a different question, but he
didn't ask that one.

Regards

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Author
19 Jun 2006 12:35 AM
PTravel
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"Wolfgang Schwanke" <see@sig.nature> wrote in message
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> "PTravel" <ptra***@ruyitang.com> wrote in
> news:4fjgosF1j6g2cU1@individual.net:
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>>>> Do you absolutely need a firewire to download video to a computer?
>>>
>>> No
>>>
>>>> If you're so inclined, could you tell why you need a firewire and
>>>> not a USB?  IIRC, I have ports all over my ThinkPad; I just want to
>>>> understand the difference between these two transfer mechanisms
>>>> (I've already read www.pcguide.com).
>>>
>>> You're missing the fact that you can do analogue transfer provided
>>> you have the right hardware.
>>
>> There's no such thing as "analogue transfer."  There is analog
>> _capture_, which is not at all the same thing as digital transfer of
>> video.
>
> You're putting meanings into my words that aren't there. This is just a
> usenet posting with accordingly sloppy wording. You don't need to teach
> me that you need A/D conversion to transfer analogue video into a
> computer. I've been working with framegrabbers much longer than you
> probably have.

I have no idea of you know and don't know.  Your response to the OP was
misleading, so I corrected it.


>
>> You want to introduce an additional analog/digital conversion
>> which will adversely effect video quality.
>
> I was merely answering the OP's question. He asked if firewire was his
> only option, and the answer is clearly no, and stated one other that
> exists. If it's recommendable or not is a different question, but he
> didn't ask that one.

The OP said, "I just want to understand the difference between these two
(USB and 1394) transfer mechanisms."

Do you really think your post answered his question?


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Author
19 Jun 2006 6:46 AM
Tzortzakakis Dimitrios
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> mute***@yahoo.com wrote in
> news:1150543722.833973.58710@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
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> > Do you absolutely need a firewire to download video to a computer?
>
> No
>
> > If you're so inclined, could you tell why you need a firewire and not
> > a USB?  IIRC, I have ports all over my ThinkPad; I just want to
> > understand the difference between these two transfer mechanisms (I've
> > already read www.pcguide.com).
>
> You're missing the fact that you can do analogue transfer provided you
> have the right hardware.
>
> Regards
>
Also, das könnte man auch mit einem alten acht-millimeter Kamera machen,
oder?Viel einfacher wäre aber, wenn man per firewire und ein neues mini Dv
camcorder dies machen sollte?
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Author
18 Jun 2006 6:29 PM
Dave Martindale
mute***@yahoo.com writes:
>Do you absolutely need a firewire to download video to a computer?

No.  As a counterexample, the Canon Optura 60 will stream DV25 video
from the tape to a computer over its USB2 port.

But that requires you to be running Windows XP, and install a special
driver, and have an Optura 60.  On the other hand, install a Firewire
port in just about any PC or Mac (if it doesn't already have one) and
just about any DV camera will transfer video digitally to your PC.

    Dave
Author
18 Jun 2006 7:11 PM
mutefan
Dave Martindale wrote:
> mute***@yahoo.com writes:
> >Do you absolutely need a firewire to download video to a computer?
>
> No.  As a counterexample, the Canon Optura 60 will stream DV25 video
> from the tape to a computer over its USB2 port.
>
> But that requires you to be running Windows XP, and install a special
> driver, and have an Optura 60.  On the other hand, install a Firewire
> port in just about any PC or Mac (if it doesn't already have one) and
> just about any DV camera will transfer video digitally to your PC.

Well, I'm running XP, and I remember when I got this new laptop, people
saying that with XP you could do everything but fry eggs on it.  I'm
winning a bid on an older 3CCD camcorder on Ebay.  Wish me luck.
Author
18 Jun 2006 8:40 PM
Mike Berger
If you fry eggs under Windows XP make sure you have the latest
security updates, or you'll be susceptible to the bird flu
virus.

mute***@yahoo.com wrote:

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> Well, I'm running XP, and I remember when I got this new laptop, people
> saying that with XP you could do everything but fry eggs on it.  I'm
> winning a bid on an older 3CCD camcorder on Ebay.  Wish me luck.
>
Author
20 Jun 2006 12:21 PM
John F. Miller
*Technically*, XP with SP2 supports DV over USB but not much equipment
exists that does it.

A Firewire card for your Thinkpad is the way to go.   $50 or so.   You'll
get a truly plug-and-play experience - plug in the card, attached the
Firewire cable from the camcorder to the card and that's that.  Make sure
you get a Firewire cable!  Many Firewire cards come with one.

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<mute***@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Dave Martindale wrote:
>> mute***@yahoo.com writes:
>> >Do you absolutely need a firewire to download video to a computer?
>>
>> No.  As a counterexample, the Canon Optura 60 will stream DV25 video
>> from the tape to a computer over its USB2 port.
>>
>> But that requires you to be running Windows XP, and install a special
>> driver, and have an Optura 60.  On the other hand, install a Firewire
>> port in just about any PC or Mac (if it doesn't already have one) and
>> just about any DV camera will transfer video digitally to your PC.
>
> Well, I'm running XP, and I remember when I got this new laptop, people
> saying that with XP you could do everything but fry eggs on it.  I'm
> winning a bid on an older 3CCD camcorder on Ebay.  Wish me luck.
>
Author
21 Jun 2006 7:14 AM
Mr. Tapeguy
mute***@yahoo.com wrote:

>
> Well, I'm running XP, and I remember when I got this new laptop, people
> saying that with XP you could do everything but fry eggs on it.  I'm
> winning a bid on an older 3CCD camcorder on Ebay.  Wish me luck.

I'll have mine over-easy....   : >

I hope it isn't one of the Panasonic camcorders with the different
firewire interface.

Craig

http://www.pro-tape.com