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tapes that have the problem below . . . It was a live event. It's over. There is no chance for a re-do. I've got to find a way to fix this or give most/all of the client's money back. The client will be doing the edit himself. The last beta deck was down, and the others were on other jobs. So, we recorded the switched master to a JVC BR-DV6000 DV deck. Turns out that there was a head clog, and the master tapes from both performances have dropouts. We've tried it on several decks, and I'm convinced that the problem is on the tape, and that it's not a playback issue. The dropouts manifest themselves in three different areas on the screen where pixilated blocks appear and disappear. It's moving video, so a cut/paste from a nearby region won't easily hide it. Basically, I think the plug-in should detect the dropout, and then freeze the frame immediately before it and hold it until the video is good again. It should have the ability to do a mask (3 of them in one-pass, while we're wishing . . .) so that just the affected area gets frozen. Oh yeah . . . The editor will be using Premiere Pro. Help me Obi-one Kanobe. You're my only hope . . . If there is such a plug-in I could have used it when a client brought us
some tapes from his poor old going by the wayside VX1000! Same sort of stuff all along the edge intermittently. Looked really bad and we could not fix the problem no matter what we tried. Unless someone else knows of a magic plug-in for this my bet is you will have to get out your checkbook and write the bullet. Show quoteHide quote "Steve Guidry" <steveguidryremovet***@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:n5dXf.6825$HW2.6601@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net... > Here's the disclaimer : I'm not an editor. I'm the guy that recorded the > tapes that have the problem below . . . > > > It was a live event. It's over. There is no chance for a re-do. I've > got > to find a way to fix this or give most/all of the client's money back. > The > client will be doing the edit himself. > > The last beta deck was down, and the others were on other jobs. So, we > recorded the switched master to a JVC BR-DV6000 DV deck. Turns out that > there was a head clog, and the master tapes from both performances have > dropouts. We've tried it on several decks, and I'm convinced that the > problem is on the tape, and that it's not a playback issue. The dropouts > manifest themselves in three different areas on the screen where pixilated > blocks appear and disappear. It's moving video, so a cut/paste from a > nearby region won't easily hide it. > > Basically, I think the plug-in should detect the dropout, and then freeze > the frame immediately before it and hold it until the video is good again. > It should have the ability to do a mask (3 of them in one-pass, while > we're > wishing . . .) so that just the affected area gets frozen. > > Oh yeah . . . The editor will be using Premiere Pro. > > Help me Obi-one Kanobe. You're my only hope . . . > > > -- > Steve Guidry > Video Works, Inc. > Live events for TV and Video > www.videoworksinc.com > 800.844.4404 > > In article <n5dXf.6825$HW2.6***@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Show quoteHide quote "Steve Guidry" <steveguidryremovet***@earthlink.net> wrote: Steve,> Here's the disclaimer : I'm not an editor. I'm the guy that recorded the > tapes that have the problem below . . . > > > It was a live event. It's over. There is no chance for a re-do. I've got > to find a way to fix this or give most/all of the client's money back. The > client will be doing the edit himself. > > The last beta deck was down, and the others were on other jobs. So, we > recorded the switched master to a JVC BR-DV6000 DV deck. Turns out that > there was a head clog, and the master tapes from both performances have > dropouts. We've tried it on several decks, and I'm convinced that the > problem is on the tape, and that it's not a playback issue. The dropouts > manifest themselves in three different areas on the screen where pixilated > blocks appear and disappear. It's moving video, so a cut/paste from a > nearby region won't easily hide it. > > Basically, I think the plug-in should detect the dropout, and then freeze > the frame immediately before it and hold it until the video is good again. > It should have the ability to do a mask (3 of them in one-pass, while we're > wishing . . .) so that just the affected area gets frozen. > > Oh yeah . . . The editor will be using Premiere Pro. > > Help me Obi-one Kanobe. You're my only hope . . . > > > -- > Steve Guidry > Video Works, Inc. > Live events for TV and Video > www.videoworksinc.com > 800.844.4404 Here's what I'd do. First, I'd get two good DVCAM decks. Preferably the higher end Sony units. (I note DVCAM because even tho it's all just DV25 signals - DVCAM does have a wider track pitch and the heads on those decks MIGHT have a better chance of recovering a clean signal if it's a slight tracking adjustment problem with the original deck.) Connect them via Firewire and make a digital clone of the original master tape. If you get REALLY lucky, the error correction in the digital copy process will cure some (perhaps, if fate really smiles on you - ALL of the problem) but don't count on that. If there is still a problem and you want someone to take a look and do the ³freeze the frame before the problem² deal, send me a copy of the clone and I'll be happy to see if I can help. (I just finished two major videos and have a bit of free time so I'd be glad to help if I can) "William Davis" <davisb***@mac.com> wrote in message the error correction for DV , unfortunately , wouldn't be able to correct news:davisbill-800ACA.11174131032006@news.west.cox.net... > > If you get REALLY lucky, the error correction in the digital copy > process will cure some (perhaps, if fate really smiles on you - ALL of > the problem) but don't count on that. for such large errors. I would be interested if it did though! This certainly sounds like a hand fix to me. Probably with a compositing tool. I hope you get it sorted out. I woudl be interested in what you do to get through this one. n Show quoteHide quote > > If there is still a problem and you want someone to take a look and do > the ³freeze the frame before the problem² deal, send me a copy of the > clone and I'll be happy to see if I can help. > > (I just finished two major videos and have a bit of free time so I'd be > glad to help if I can) I once sorted out such a problem.
Thing was it was only a few seconds of material. I am a compositor by trade and a s such used Shake and a "reveal" brush and motion blur to copy adjacent frame sections into dropped out areas. The repair was invisible and was away from the area of interest anyway which helped. It can be time consuming but sometimes its the only way. What you have described is the stuff of nightmares that I'm sure we've all had. Hope you can salvage something..... Is there any way you could edit the problem out. For example cropping the dropouts away in a PiP montage sequence a la 24. A cliche! Show quoteHide quote "Steve Guidry" <steveguidryremovet***@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:n5dXf.6825$HW2.6601@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net... > Here's the disclaimer : I'm not an editor. I'm the guy that recorded the > tapes that have the problem below . . . > > > It was a live event. It's over. There is no chance for a re-do. I've got > to find a way to fix this or give most/all of the client's money back. The > client will be doing the edit himself. > > The last beta deck was down, and the others were on other jobs. So, we > recorded the switched master to a JVC BR-DV6000 DV deck. Turns out that > there was a head clog, and the master tapes from both performances have > dropouts. We've tried it on several decks, and I'm convinced that the > problem is on the tape, and that it's not a playback issue. The dropouts > manifest themselves in three different areas on the screen where pixilated > blocks appear and disappear. It's moving video, so a cut/paste from a > nearby region won't easily hide it. > > Basically, I think the plug-in should detect the dropout, and then freeze > the frame immediately before it and hold it until the video is good again. > It should have the ability to do a mask (3 of them in one-pass, while we're > wishing . . .) so that just the affected area gets frozen. > > Oh yeah . . . The editor will be using Premiere Pro. > > Help me Obi-one Kanobe. You're my only hope . . . > > > -- > Steve Guidry > Video Works, Inc. > Live events for TV and Video > www.videoworksinc.com > 800.844.4404 > > Steve Guidry wrote:
Show quoteHide quote > Here's the disclaimer : I'm not an editor. I'm the guy that recorded the There is a Vegas plug in with the Excalibur tool set called Frame fix. > tapes that have the problem below . . . > > > It was a live event. It's over. There is no chance for a re-do. I've got > to find a way to fix this or give most/all of the client's money back. The > client will be doing the edit himself. > > The last beta deck was down, and the others were on other jobs. So, we > recorded the switched master to a JVC BR-DV6000 DV deck. Turns out that > there was a head clog, and the master tapes from both performances have > dropouts. We've tried it on several decks, and I'm convinced that the > problem is on the tape, and that it's not a playback issue. The dropouts > manifest themselves in three different areas on the screen where pixilated > blocks appear and disappear. It's moving video, so a cut/paste from a > nearby region won't easily hide it. > > Basically, I think the plug-in should detect the dropout, and then freeze > the frame immediately before it and hold it until the video is good again. > It should have the ability to do a mask (3 of them in one-pass, while we're > wishing . . .) so that just the affected area gets frozen. > > Oh yeah . . . The editor will be using Premiere Pro. > > Help me Obi-one Kanobe. You're my only hope . . . > > > -- > Steve Guidry > Video Works, Inc. > Live events for TV and Video > www.videoworksinc.com > 800.844.4404 > > It will let you mark bad frames it it will replace with with a frame just previous to the bad one. It will of course cause a moment of stutter. Will this plug-in allow me to do a mask - - applying the effect to only the
affected areas ? Steve Show quoteHide quote "RS" <m***@mail.com> wrote in message news:442d82e7$1_2@newspeer2.tds.net... > Steve Guidry wrote: > > Here's the disclaimer : I'm not an editor. I'm the guy that recorded the > > tapes that have the problem below . . . > > > > > > It was a live event. It's over. There is no chance for a re-do. I've got > > to find a way to fix this or give most/all of the client's money back. The > > client will be doing the edit himself. > > > > The last beta deck was down, and the others were on other jobs. So, we > > recorded the switched master to a JVC BR-DV6000 DV deck. Turns out that > > there was a head clog, and the master tapes from both performances have > > dropouts. We've tried it on several decks, and I'm convinced that the > > problem is on the tape, and that it's not a playback issue. The dropouts > > manifest themselves in three different areas on the screen where pixilated > > blocks appear and disappear. It's moving video, so a cut/paste from a > > nearby region won't easily hide it. > > > > Basically, I think the plug-in should detect the dropout, and then freeze > > the frame immediately before it and hold it until the video is good again. > > It should have the ability to do a mask (3 of them in one-pass, while we're > > wishing . . .) so that just the affected area gets frozen. > > > > Oh yeah . . . The editor will be using Premiere Pro. > > > > Help me Obi-one Kanobe. You're my only hope . . . > > > > > > -- > > Steve Guidry > > Video Works, Inc. > > Live events for TV and Video > > www.videoworksinc.com > > 800.844.4404 > > > > > > There is a Vegas plug in with the Excalibur tool set called Frame fix. > It will let you mark bad frames it it will replace with with a frame > just previous to the bad one. It will of course cause a moment of stutter. > > Will this plug-in allow me to do a mask - - applying the effect to only the If it doesn't do that natively, you could just copy the video track to>affected areas ? >Steve make two otherwise identical layers and mask/matte between them. Steve Guidry wrote:
> Will this plug-in allow me to do a mask - - applying the effect to only the Not without a fair amount of hassle I think. I'm thinking of a situation > affected areas ? where you have to dupe the track, composite one, then apply the mask. Render that bit to a subclip then apply the frame fix. If you had to do this more than just a couple times..... Show quoteHide quote > Steve > > > > "RS" <m***@mail.com> wrote in message news:442d82e7$1_2@newspeer2.tds.net... > >>Steve Guidry wrote: >> >>>Here's the disclaimer : I'm not an editor. I'm the guy that recorded > > the > >>>tapes that have the problem below . . . >>> >>> >>>It was a live event. It's over. There is no chance for a re-do. I've > > got > >>>to find a way to fix this or give most/all of the client's money back. > > The > >>>client will be doing the edit himself. >>> >>>The last beta deck was down, and the others were on other jobs. So, we >>>recorded the switched master to a JVC BR-DV6000 DV deck. Turns out that >>>there was a head clog, and the master tapes from both performances have >>>dropouts. We've tried it on several decks, and I'm convinced that the >>>problem is on the tape, and that it's not a playback issue. The > > dropouts > >>>manifest themselves in three different areas on the screen where > > pixilated > >>>blocks appear and disappear. It's moving video, so a cut/paste from a >>>nearby region won't easily hide it. >>> >>>Basically, I think the plug-in should detect the dropout, and then > > freeze > >>>the frame immediately before it and hold it until the video is good > > again. > >>>It should have the ability to do a mask (3 of them in one-pass, while > > we're > >>>wishing . . .) so that just the affected area gets frozen. >>> >>>Oh yeah . . . The editor will be using Premiere Pro. >>> >>>Help me Obi-one Kanobe. You're my only hope . . . >>> >>> >>>-- >>>Steve Guidry >>>Video Works, Inc. >>>Live events for TV and Video >>>www.videoworksinc.com >>>800.844.4404 >>> >>> >> >>There is a Vegas plug in with the Excalibur tool set called Frame fix. >>It will let you mark bad frames it it will replace with with a frame >>just previous to the bad one. It will of course cause a moment of stutter. >> > > > On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 14:04:07 GMT, "Steve Guidry"
<steveguidryremovet***@earthlink.net> wrote: >Will this plug-in allow me to do a mask - - applying the effect to only the That would be obvious to see if it is a moving video.>affected areas ? cheers -martin- -- Never be afraid to try something new. Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic. Inviato da X-Privat.Org - Registrazione gratuita http://www.x-privat.org/join.php Steve Guidry wrote:
Show quoteHide quote > Here's the disclaimer : I'm not an editor. I'm the guy that recorded the the dropouts MAY be fixable during editing but its going to be a lot of> tapes that have the problem below . . . > > > It was a live event. It's over. There is no chance for a re-do. I've got > to find a way to fix this or give most/all of the client's money back. The > client will be doing the edit himself. > > The last beta deck was down, and the others were on other jobs. So, we > recorded the switched master to a JVC BR-DV6000 DV deck. Turns out that > there was a head clog, and the master tapes from both performances have > dropouts. We've tried it on several decks, and I'm convinced that the > problem is on the tape, and that it's not a playback issue. The dropouts > manifest themselves in three different areas on the screen where pixilated > blocks appear and disappear. It's moving video, so a cut/paste from a > nearby region won't easily hide it. > > Basically, I think the plug-in should detect the dropout, and then freeze > the frame immediately before it and hold it until the video is good again. > It should have the ability to do a mask (3 of them in one-pass, while we're > wishing . . .) so that just the affected area gets frozen. > > Oh yeah . . . The editor will be using Premiere Pro. > > Help me Obi-one Kanobe. You're my only hope . . . > > > -- > Steve Guidry > Video Works, Inc. > Live events for TV and Video > www.videoworksinc.com > 800.844.4404 work. less likely if the sound is also affected. In my opinion you are going to have to refund money since you didn't get the job done . <marks542***@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1143841757.881226.181680@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com... ouch. Not sure that's helpful.> the dropouts MAY be fixable during editing but its going to be a lot of > work. less likely if the sound is also affected. > > > In my opinion you are going to have to refund money since you didn't > get the job done . >
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"Steve Guidry" <steveguidryremovet***@earthlink.net> wrote in message Fixing it? No.news:n5dXf.6825$HW2.6601@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net... > Here's the disclaimer : I'm not an editor. I'm the guy that recorded the > tapes that have the problem below . . . > > > It was a live event. It's over. There is no chance for a re-do. I've > got > to find a way to fix this or give most/all of the client's money back. > The > client will be doing the edit himself. > > The last beta deck was down, and the others were on other jobs. So, we > recorded the switched master to a JVC BR-DV6000 DV deck. Turns out that > there was a head clog, and the master tapes from both performances have > dropouts. We've tried it on several decks, and I'm convinced that the > problem is on the tape, and that it's not a playback issue. The dropouts > manifest themselves in three different areas on the screen where pixilated > blocks appear and disappear. It's moving video, so a cut/paste from a > nearby region won't easily hide it. > > Basically, I think the plug-in should detect the dropout, and then freeze > the frame immediately before it and hold it until the video is good again. > It should have the ability to do a mask (3 of them in one-pass, while > we're > wishing . . .) so that just the affected area gets frozen. > > Oh yeah . . . The editor will be using Premiere Pro. > > Help me Obi-one Kanobe. You're my only hope . . . > > > -- > Steve Guidry > Video Works, Inc. > Live events for TV and Video > www.videoworksinc.com > 800.844.4404 But there's always cutaways. God bless B-roll. Randy "R&B" wrote: Amen to that!> Fixing it? No. > > But there's always cutaways. > > God bless B-roll. There IS such a plug-in, and you can download it online. It is not a
magic wand, but may help. It's only ten dollars! I think however it's only for macs: http://www.digital-heaven.co.uk/fcplugins/dh_dropout.php I would try to play the tape out thru a DVCPro deck, it has the widest track pitch of all the DV compatible decks, thus your best chance to recover all the signal. If this plug-in can't work for you, because you'er not on macs, you will need to look at one of the compositor softwares like Combustion, shake, etc. or a paint program like matador or Aura. You'll be cloning picture information from adjacent pixels, or using a vector mask to take nearby pixels, duplicate them and apply them on top of the damaged bit of image, like the clone stamp tool in photoshop does for stills. it's painstaing work. Another way to try this without the compositor is to freeze-frame the last good frame before the dropout, output that as a still, then re-import it and use wipe patterns or masks to layer it like apatch over the bad part of each frame. best of luck. Do check out the digital heaven site, because these plug-ins are amazingly priced and perform as advertized. I am a happy customer. Not that it's any consolation
but It's fairly well known that certain JVC DV Decks develop problems with "dropouts" and I think it was determined that the problem is fixed with a firmware update. Also--- a friend of a friend is a JVC rep up here in NY NJ who recently advised me that JVC recomends using Panasonic brand tapes (or I assume JVC) tapes in their DV decks, as the wet Sony lubricant in Sony tapes can cause dropouts. I had a big dropout problem with a JVC DV5000 camera when I used Sony 80 min tapes --- which is also apparently a big no no. I guess you guys weren't rolling Iso tapes as well ? That really blows man. We used to carry blown power supply fuses around in our pockets at C-SPAN in case we didn't "get something" we could always blame the fuse.... Had to actually use that excuse once... Show quoteHide quote "Steve Guidry" <steveguidryremovet***@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:n5dXf.6825$HW2.6601@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net... > Here's the disclaimer : I'm not an editor. I'm the guy that recorded the > tapes that have the problem below . . . > > > It was a live event. It's over. There is no chance for a re-do. I've > got > to find a way to fix this or give most/all of the client's money back. > The > client will be doing the edit himself. > > The last beta deck was down, and the others were on other jobs. So, we > recorded the switched master to a JVC BR-DV6000 DV deck. Turns out that > there was a head clog, and the master tapes from both performances have > dropouts. We've tried it on several decks, and I'm convinced that the > problem is on the tape, and that it's not a playback issue. The dropouts > manifest themselves in three different areas on the screen where pixilated > blocks appear and disappear. It's moving video, so a cut/paste from a > nearby region won't easily hide it. > > Basically, I think the plug-in should detect the dropout, and then freeze > the frame immediately before it and hold it until the video is good again. > It should have the ability to do a mask (3 of them in one-pass, while > we're > wishing . . .) so that just the affected area gets frozen. > > Oh yeah . . . The editor will be using Premiere Pro. > > Help me Obi-one Kanobe. You're my only hope . . . > > > -- > Steve Guidry > Video Works, Inc. > Live events for TV and Video > www.videoworksinc.com > 800.844.4404 > > personally, everything we've gotten from JVC (including SVHS recorder and
mini deck) has been total junk. noisy, somewhat agravating malfunctions, and dropped frames - which they say is tape . . not the unit) yet, when we run the same tapes on Panasonic, hmmmmmm, no problem. we don''t trust anything from JVC and all we have left from them is the SVHS recorder and we've only recently converted the last of our SVHS clients to DVD, and thus .. . wha lah, we will soon get rid of the last of the JVC products :o) drd Show quoteHide quote "Jack P" <vidpr***@optonlineDOT.netX> wrote in message news:Sl2Yf.84$K83.61@fe09.lga... > Not that it's any consolation > > but It's fairly well known that certain JVC DV Decks develop problems with > "dropouts" > and I think it was determined that the problem is fixed with a firmware > update. > > Also--- a friend of a friend is a JVC rep up here in NY NJ who recently > advised me that JVC recomends using Panasonic brand tapes (or I assume > JVC) tapes in their DV decks, as the wet Sony lubricant in Sony tapes can > cause dropouts. > > I had a big dropout problem with a JVC DV5000 camera when I used Sony 80 > min tapes --- which is also apparently a big no no. > > I guess you guys weren't rolling Iso tapes as well ? > > That really blows man. > > > We used to carry blown power supply fuses around in our pockets at C-SPAN > in case we didn't "get something" we could always blame the fuse.... Had > to actually use that excuse once... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Steve Guidry" <steveguidryremovet***@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:n5dXf.6825$HW2.6601@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net... >> Here's the disclaimer : I'm not an editor. I'm the guy that recorded >> the >> tapes that have the problem below . . . >> >> >> It was a live event. It's over. There is no chance for a re-do. I've >> got >> to find a way to fix this or give most/all of the client's money back. >> The >> client will be doing the edit himself. >> >> The last beta deck was down, and the others were on other jobs. So, we >> recorded the switched master to a JVC BR-DV6000 DV deck. Turns out that >> there was a head clog, and the master tapes from both performances have >> dropouts. We've tried it on several decks, and I'm convinced that the >> problem is on the tape, and that it's not a playback issue. The dropouts >> manifest themselves in three different areas on the screen where >> pixilated >> blocks appear and disappear. It's moving video, so a cut/paste from a >> nearby region won't easily hide it. >> >> Basically, I think the plug-in should detect the dropout, and then freeze >> the frame immediately before it and hold it until the video is good >> again. >> It should have the ability to do a mask (3 of them in one-pass, while >> we're >> wishing . . .) so that just the affected area gets frozen. >> >> Oh yeah . . . The editor will be using Premiere Pro. >> >> Help me Obi-one Kanobe. You're my only hope . . . >> >> >> -- >> Steve Guidry >> Video Works, Inc. >> Live events for TV and Video >> www.videoworksinc.com >> 800.844.4404 >> >> > > 
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