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DVD burning advice sought

Author
16 Mar 2006 6:27 AM
Mark Crispin

Author
17 Mar 2006 5:40 AM
Kringe
"Mark Crispin" <m**@CAC.Washington.EDU> wrote in message
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> [Please respond via email, as I don't normally read this group.  Thanks!]


Well - you should start reading this group... especially if you have a
question.
A lot of good information here.
Author
17 Mar 2006 8:54 AM
Martin van derPoel
I have a Sony DVD burner for a PC hardly used as the thing was very fussy
about the brand and type of disk.
It is now used as a paperweight and much more useful
I purchased a Pioneer DVD burner and hey presto burns all with 100%
reliability.

Google for "martin van der poel dru-510a" and you will find my original
writing.
Just to see, I checked the Sony website fot a firmware update for this piece
of sh*t and guess what, STILL NO FIRMWARE UPDATE.

Poor bastards that still have a SONY DRU_510A, they still have to hunt
arround for 4x DVD disks as that is all it can handle.



Regards,

Martin van der Poel
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"Mark Crispin" <m**@CAC.Washington.EDU> wrote in message
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> [Please respond via email, as I don't normally read this group.  Thanks!]
>
> I recently bought a Sony RDR-VX515 VHS/DVD-recorder, and I tried burning
> some DVDs.  I choose DVD-R since I wanted the greatest compatibility and
> reliability.  DVD+R and DVD+RW have some compatibility issues, and I
> figured that DVD-RW and DVD+RW would be less reliable than burn-once
> media.
>
> According to the manual, I need to use "8x-speed or slower" for DVD-R. So,
> I got a box of imation 8x DVD-R.  After coastering several DVDs ("the disk
> can be neither read nor written", says the RDR-VX515), I gave up and tried
> some Memorex 16x DVD-R.  These worked much better, although I still
> managed to coaster a couple of them.
>
> It seems to be that if I set the disk title before recording the program,
> I wind up either with a coaster or a disk that will play in the RDR-VX515
> but nowhere else.  If I use a Memorex 16x and record the program first,
> then set the title name, then set the disk name, I get a disk which will
> play elsewhere.
>
> I have yet to get a non-coaster with the imation 8x.  Ironically, the
> Memorex 16x were cheaper than the imation 8x.
>
> None of the material is copyguarded in any way.
>
> My question is, is this to be expected?  Or is my RDR-VX515 a lemon?
>
> My experience with CD burning has taught me "always record at the slowest
> speed, and use the best quality CDs you can find".  Reliability is
> paramount for me.  I don't particular care how long a good burn takes;
> burning a coaster wastes far more time.  Anyway, a video DVD is only going
> to burn at 1x anyway.
>
> So if my experience is the way things are in the DVD burning world, OK.
> But if my RDR-VX515 is a lemon, I need to know ASAP.  I have 10 days in
> which I can return it, and I haven't sent in the rebate paperwork yet.
>
> There was, by the way, another reason why I bought the RDR-VX515.  My
> S-VHS VCR smoked, and I had to replace it.  Apparently S-VHS is not to be
> had at all any more, and the only VCRs with anything better than composite
> video are these combination VHS/DVD units.  I gritted my teeth at paying
> the "Sony tax"...
>
> -- Mark --
>
> http://panda.com/mrc
> Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
> Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.
Author
17 Mar 2006 7:34 PM
Mark Crispin
Author
18 Mar 2006 1:40 AM
Mark Crispin
Author
19 Mar 2006 2:00 PM
Martin van derPoel
Hi Mark,
As far as I know the burner has to recognise the disk, 16 times disk were
made after the burner and software and therefore the burner does not know
what to do.

I currently use printable Ritek G05-R12x disks ($25 australian dollars for
stack of 50) and before I used TDK-R 8x. with my Pioneer 108 (Pioneer
updates the firmware frequently, unlike Sony)

With the Sony all that would burn were overpriced brandname disks, or the
well priced TDK-R 4x, but they were replaced with 8x disks and the Sony
could not initialise on them.

The burners are quite cheep now so buy a new one and this time not a Sony.

Regards,

Martin van der Poel


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"Mark Crispin" <M**@CAC.Washington.EDU> wrote in message
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> Further information:
>
> I called Sony.
>
> They claim that there's nothing wrong with my unit, and that while it's
> surprising that the 16x Memorex disks worked (the Soiny documentation says
> that the burner supports "8x or slower" disks), they said that it's not
> surprising that the 8x imation disks didn't work -- that I should only use
> "well-known name brand discs."
>
> They also said that yes, I should not set the disk title until just before
> I'm ready to finalize.
>
> -- Mark --
>
> http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
> Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
> Si vis pacem, para bellum.
Author
20 Mar 2006 2:31 AM
Mark Crispin
Author
19 Mar 2006 2:10 PM
Martin van derPoel
"Mark Crispin" <m**@CAC.Washington.EDU> wrote in message
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> Thanks Martin for your response.  Sigh, typical Sony.
>
> Do you have any idea why it works to set the disk title *after* recording
> the media content and not before?  Someone else said that you shouldn't
> set the disk until you're ready to finalize, but couldn't say why (other
> than the empirical evidence).

I always have the disks recorded at once.
>
> Why would it work better with 16x disks than with 8x disks, especially
> since it's only recording at 1x?

Maybe the firmware understood the 16x disk.
>
> The burner documentation says that I have to use "8x or slower" media.  A
> notice on the 16x media says that it may not work in some burner without a
> firmware upgrade, even if I burn at a slower speed.

If the burner does not have the type of media in its firmware it does not
know what to do with it, that's where the firmware update comes in.
>
> Clearly 16x media does not just mean "better quality media up to 16x", but
> rather also imposes requirements on the burner, even if it's a video-only
> burner that only burns at 1x.

I believe that writing faster media is only possible with a dye that can
either handle a stronger writing beam or the media must have a dye that
changes property faster so the same strength beam can be used.
>
> If it was just a better quality rating, then it would be easy to make
> things reliable; buy the fastest-rated media and burn at the slowest
> speed.

As far as I know when you burn on a slower speed the burner turns the
intensity of the laser down so it does not cook the dye layer


Regards

Martin van der Poel.
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Author
20 Mar 2006 2:41 AM
Mark Crispin
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21 Mar 2006 1:09 PM
Martin van derPoel
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"Mark Crispin" <m**@CAC.Washington.EDU> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 19 Mar 2006, Martin van derPoel wrote:
>>> Do you have any idea why it works to set the disk title *after*
>>> recording
>>> the media content and not before?  Someone else said that you shouldn't
>>> set the disk until you're ready to finalize, but couldn't say why (other
>>> than the empirical evidence).
>> I always have the disks recorded at once.
>
> As I said in my previous message, I'm burning video in real time (copying
> irreplacable laser discs to DVD), not data.  The burner is basically a VCR
> that does DVDs too.  I don't have a computer DVD burner.
>
>>> Why would it work better with 16x disks than with 8x disks, especially
>>> since it's only recording at 1x?
>> Maybe the firmware understood the 16x disk.
>
> Well, Sony customer service didn't know that.  But maybe it was done after
> the manual was printed.  If so, it's good news since those Memorex 16x
> seem to have greater local availability than the Sony 8x, and the imation
> 8x don't work.
>
>> If the burner does not have the type of media in its firmware it does not
>> know what to do with it, that's where the firmware update comes in.
>
> There's no possibility that it picked "a reasonable default" behavior that
> happened to work?

It is possible that the 16x disks have the same parameters (as far as the
Sony is concerned) as some other disk it has in its firmware, I would not
argue and just record.
Just check the recorded disks, I find that a good check is stepping through
the chapters, if the next chapter is slow to start or the video stutters you
probably have a poor recording.

Regards,

Martin



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> -- Mark --
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> Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
> Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.