"Andy Flowers" <aflow***@girdlers.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Hi everybody
> Many apologies if this question has bee asked many times.
> I've bought a Mini DV Camcorder on Ebay - nice Sony one
> Also bought an LG DVD recorder (multi-region) to record DVDs from it.
> Unfortunately on trying to record I get the error message "can't record
> NTSC on to PAL formatted disc (or something like).
> I'd presumed maybe I could format the disc in the recorder as NTSC but
> it automatically formats it PAL when you load it - the book states that
> you can format from the "setup" menu but you can't.
> Any ideas how I can record onto DVD?
> Should I send the camcorder back (would be much easier with a PAL
> camcorder presumably - and maybe the camcorder should have been
> described as NTSC when it was being sold.
> Many thanks for any info received
> Cheers
> PS I'm in England and currently swearing at the computer, DVD recorder,
> instruction manuals and camcorder (each in turn).

> --
> Andy Flowers

>
>"Andy Flowers" <aflow***@girdlers.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> Hi everybody
>> Many apologies if this question has bee asked many times.
>> I've bought a Mini DV Camcorder on Ebay - nice Sony one
>> Also bought an LG DVD recorder (multi-region) to record DVDs from it.
>> Unfortunately on trying to record I get the error message "can't record
>> NTSC on to PAL formatted disc (or something like).
>> I'd presumed maybe I could format the disc in the recorder as NTSC but
>> it automatically formats it PAL when you load it - the book states that
>> you can format from the "setup" menu but you can't.
>> Any ideas how I can record onto DVD?
>> Should I send the camcorder back (would be much easier with a PAL
>> camcorder presumably - and maybe the camcorder should have been
>> described as NTSC when it was being sold.
>> Many thanks for any info received
>> Cheers
>> PS I'm in England and currently swearing at the computer, DVD recorder,
>> instruction manuals and camcorder (each in turn).
>
>There's no simple way to go from an NTSC source to a PAL DVD using
>standalone equipment.  It's not a question of how the DVD is formatted, but
>the actual specs for the video itself, e.g. NTSC is 29.97 frames per second,
>PAL is 25, NTSC digital video is 720 x 480 pixels, Pal is 720 x 576.
>
>With that said, most DVD players sold in Asia output PAL, but can play
>either NTSC or PAL DVDs.  Here in the States, I have a cheapie DVD player
>that is quite capable of playing both formats on my NTSC television.  You
>might want to try and NTSC DVD in your DVD player and see if it works.  In
>that case, you can simply burn NTSC DVDs (though you'll have to trade your
>PAL DVD recorder for an NTSC version).
>
>Otherwise, you'll either need conversion hardware (expensive), or you'll
>need to do it in software on the computer (complicated and takes a long
>time).
>

> With that said, most DVD players sold in Asia output PAL, but can play
> either NTSC or PAL DVDs.  Here in the States, I have a cheapie DVD player
> that is quite capable of playing both formats on my NTSC television.  You
> might want to try and NTSC DVD in your DVD player and see if it works.  In
> that case, you can simply burn NTSC DVDs (though you'll have to trade your
> PAL DVD recorder for an NTSC version).
>
> Otherwise, you'll either need conversion hardware (expensive), or you'll
> need to do it in software on the computer (complicated and takes a long
> time).
>
>
>>--
>>Andy Flowers
>
>
>

>
> PTravel wrote:
>
> > With that said, most DVD players sold in Asia output PAL, but can play
> > either NTSC or PAL DVDs.  Here in the States, I have a cheapie DVD player
> > that is quite capable of playing both formats on my NTSC television.  You
> > might want to try and NTSC DVD in your DVD player and see if it works.  In
> > that case, you can simply burn NTSC DVDs (though you'll have to trade your
> > PAL DVD recorder for an NTSC version).
> >
> > Otherwise, you'll either need conversion hardware (expensive), or you'll
> > need to do it in software on the computer (complicated and takes a long
> > time).
> >
> >
> >>--
> >>Andy Flowers
> >
> >
> >

> Mike Berger wrote:
>
>>What cheap DVD player do you have that converts PAL to NTSC?
>>I have several that will PLAY multi-region, but the output is
>>however the disk is mastered.  A PAL disk plays as Pal.  But
>>both my midrange Sony and Panasonic TV's will work with a PAL
>>signal as well as NTSC.  Seeing a picture doesn't mean that
>>a PAL to NTSC conversion was done anywhere along the line.
>
>
>
> I have PAL DVDs that won't play on my Panasonic DVD player (because
> they're PAL, not NTSC), but will play on a $25 Harmon/Kardon that I
> have in another room.  It most certainly does take the PAL video and
> convert it to NTSC.
>
> I can also do the same thing using the WinDVD player and DVD drive on
> my computer.
>
>
>
>>PTravel wrote:
>>
>>
>>>With that said, most DVD players sold in Asia output PAL, but can play
>>>either NTSC or PAL DVDs.  Here in the States, I have a cheapie DVD player
>>>that is quite capable of playing both formats on my NTSC television.  You
>>>might want to try and NTSC DVD in your DVD player and see if it works.  In
>>>that case, you can simply burn NTSC DVDs (though you'll have to trade your
>>>PAL DVD recorder for an NTSC version).
>>>
>>>Otherwise, you'll either need conversion hardware (expensive), or you'll
>>>need to do it in software on the computer (complicated and takes a long
>>>time).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Andy Flowers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

>
> ptra***@travelersvideo.com wrote:
> > Mike Berger wrote:
> >
> >>What cheap DVD player do you have that converts PAL to NTSC?
> >>I have several that will PLAY multi-region, but the output is
> >>however the disk is mastered.  A PAL disk plays as Pal.  But
> >>both my midrange Sony and Panasonic TV's will work with a PAL
> >>signal as well as NTSC.  Seeing a picture doesn't mean that
> >>a PAL to NTSC conversion was done anywhere along the line.
> >
> >
> >
> > I have PAL DVDs that won't play on my Panasonic DVD player (because
> > they're PAL, not NTSC), but will play on a $25 Harmon/Kardon that I
> > have in another room.  It most certainly does take the PAL video and
> > convert it to NTSC.
> >
> > I can also do the same thing using the WinDVD player and DVD drive on
> > my computer.
> >
> >
> >
> >>PTravel wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>With that said, most DVD players sold in Asia output PAL, but can play
> >>>either NTSC or PAL DVDs.  Here in the States, I have a cheapie DVD player
> >>>that is quite capable of playing both formats on my NTSC television.  You
> >>>might want to try and NTSC DVD in your DVD player and see if it works.  In
> >>>that case, you can simply burn NTSC DVDs (though you'll have to trade your
> >>>PAL DVD recorder for an NTSC version).
> >>>
> >>>Otherwise, you'll either need conversion hardware (expensive), or you'll
> >>>need to do it in software on the computer (complicated and takes a long
> >>>time).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>--
> >>>>Andy Flowers
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >

> Mike Berger wrote:
>
>>$ 25 is a bargain price for a PAL to NTSC converter alone.
>>But you still haven't given us any reason to believe your
>>player does that.
>
>
> What are you talking about?  I just told you, the player will play a
> PAL disk and output NTSC video.  I can't be any clearer than that.
>
>
>
>> How did you look at the output?
>
>
> On an NTSC monitor.
>
>
>>Your computer isn't doing it either.  You're decoding for
>>playback.  You'd need to re-encode to record it as NTSC.
>
>
> Obviously, it would have to be re-encoded to record it as NTSC.  That's
> not what this thread, nor the OP's question, was about.
>
>
>>ptra***@travelersvideo.com wrote:
>>
>>>Mike Berger wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>What cheap DVD player do you have that converts PAL to NTSC?
>>>>I have several that will PLAY multi-region, but the output is
>>>>however the disk is mastered.  A PAL disk plays as Pal.  But
>>>>both my midrange Sony and Panasonic TV's will work with a PAL
>>>>signal as well as NTSC.  Seeing a picture doesn't mean that
>>>>a PAL to NTSC conversion was done anywhere along the line.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I have PAL DVDs that won't play on my Panasonic DVD player (because
>>>they're PAL, not NTSC), but will play on a $25 Harmon/Kardon that I
>>>have in another room.  It most certainly does take the PAL video and
>>>convert it to NTSC.
>>>
>>>I can also do the same thing using the WinDVD player and DVD drive on
>>>my computer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>PTravel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>With that said, most DVD players sold in Asia output PAL, but can play
>>>>>either NTSC or PAL DVDs.  Here in the States, I have a cheapie DVD player
>>>>>that is quite capable of playing both formats on my NTSC television.  You
>>>>>might want to try and NTSC DVD in your DVD player and see if it works.  In
>>>>>that case, you can simply burn NTSC DVDs (though you'll have to trade your
>>>>>PAL DVD recorder for an NTSC version).
>>>>>
>>>>>Otherwise, you'll either need conversion hardware (expensive), or you'll
>>>>>need to do it in software on the computer (complicated and takes a long
>>>>>time).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>Andy Flowers
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>

>
> ptra***@travelersvideo.com wrote:
> > Mike Berger wrote:
> >
> >>$ 25 is a bargain price for a PAL to NTSC converter alone.
> >>But you still haven't given us any reason to believe your
> >>player does that.
> >
> >
> > What are you talking about?  I just told you, the player will play a
> > PAL disk and output NTSC video.  I can't be any clearer than that.
> >
> >
> >
> >> How did you look at the output?
> >
> >
> > On an NTSC monitor.
> >
> >
> >>Your computer isn't doing it either.  You're decoding for
> >>playback.  You'd need to re-encode to record it as NTSC.
> >
> >
> > Obviously, it would have to be re-encoded to record it as NTSC.  That's
> > not what this thread, nor the OP's question, was about.
> >
> >
> >>ptra***@travelersvideo.com wrote:
> >>
> >>>Mike Berger wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>What cheap DVD player do you have that converts PAL to NTSC?
> >>>>I have several that will PLAY multi-region, but the output is
> >>>>however the disk is mastered.  A PAL disk plays as Pal.  But
> >>>>both my midrange Sony and Panasonic TV's will work with a PAL
> >>>>signal as well as NTSC.  Seeing a picture doesn't mean that
> >>>>a PAL to NTSC conversion was done anywhere along the line.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>I have PAL DVDs that won't play on my Panasonic DVD player (because
> >>>they're PAL, not NTSC), but will play on a $25 Harmon/Kardon that I
> >>>have in another room.  It most certainly does take the PAL video and
> >>>convert it to NTSC.
> >>>
> >>>I can also do the same thing using the WinDVD player and DVD drive on
> >>>my computer.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>PTravel wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>With that said, most DVD players sold in Asia output PAL, but can
play
> >>>>>either NTSC or PAL DVDs.  Here in the States, I have a cheapie DVD
player
> >>>>>that is quite capable of playing both formats on my NTSC television.
You
> >>>>>might want to try and NTSC DVD in your DVD player and see if it

> >>>>>that case, you can simply burn NTSC DVDs (though you'll have to trade
your
> >>>>>PAL DVD recorder for an NTSC version).
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Otherwise, you'll either need conversion hardware (expensive), or
you'll
> >>>>>need to do it in software on the computer (complicated and takes a
long
> >>>>>time).
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>--
> >>>>>>Andy Flowers
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >