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Author
17 Jan 2006 1:51 AM
Swingman
I'm looking at a Panasonic 3ccd camcorder (PV-GS65).  I'm particularly
interested in how it performs in low light.  One of the applications would
be filming ballroom dances where the lighting is subdued and I wouldn't be
able to introduce additional light.  I've heard that the 3ccd technology
improves low light performance over the 1ccd camcorders.  I'd appreciate
what you have to say about this.  TIA

Author
17 Jan 2006 5:04 AM
PTravel
"Swingman" <visaccoNoSpamPlease@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I'm looking at a Panasonic 3ccd camcorder (PV-GS65).  I'm particularly
> interested in how it performs in low light.  One of the applications would
> be filming ballroom dances where the lighting is subdued and I wouldn't be
> able to introduce additional light.  I've heard that the 3ccd technology
> improves low light performance over the 1ccd camcorders.  I'd appreciate
> what you have to say about this.  TIA

All things being equal, 3CCD camcorders will do better in low light than
1-CCD machines.  However, sensor size will have a much bigger effect.  The
PV-GS65 uses 1/6" sensors, which is very small.  As a result, it's low-light
performance will not be particular good.  For comparison, Sony's VX2100 uses
1/3" in sensors, double the size of the Panasonic.  I have a VX2000, the
predecessor to the VX2100, and virtually identical in terms of performance.
I routinely shoot in very low light situations and get stunning results.
There's a review of the PV-GS65 at Robin Liss' website:

http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/Panasonic-PV-GS65-Camcorder-Review.htm

Bear in mind that the website tends to be rather "consumery" and subjective,
at least with respect to consumer machines.  However, the review includes
color charts shot at various lux levels for the Panasonic, and the
performance doesn't remotely approach that of the VX2000/2100.  Whether it
will do for you is something only you could decide, but I find its low-light
performance unacceptable.  For what it's worth, I bought my VX2000 because I
couldn't find anything less expensive that had adequate low-light
performance.




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17 Jan 2006 4:19 PM
swingman
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> "Swingman" <visaccoNoSpamPlease@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:84Yyf.516$tb3.7@newssvr24.news.prodigy.net...
>> I'm looking at a Panasonic 3ccd camcorder (PV-GS65).  I'm particularly
>> interested in how it performs in low light.  One of the applications
>> would
>> be filming ballroom dances where the lighting is subdued and I wouldn't
>> be
>> able to introduce additional light.  I've heard that the 3ccd technology
>> improves low light performance over the 1ccd camcorders.  I'd appreciate
>> what you have to say about this.  TIA
>
> All things being equal, 3CCD camcorders will do better in low light than
> 1-CCD machines.  However, sensor size will have a much bigger effect.  The
> PV-GS65 uses 1/6" sensors, which is very small.  As a result, it's
> low-light
> performance will not be particular good.  For comparison, Sony's VX2100
> uses
> 1/3" in sensors, double the size of the Panasonic.  I have a VX2000, the
> predecessor to the VX2100, and virtually identical in terms of
> performance.
> I routinely shoot in very low light situations and get stunning results.
> There's a review of the PV-GS65 at Robin Liss' website:
>
> http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/Panasonic-PV-GS65-Camcorder-Review.htm
>
> Bear in mind that the website tends to be rather "consumery" and
> subjective,
> at least with respect to consumer machines.  However, the review includes
> color charts shot at various lux levels for the Panasonic, and the
> performance doesn't remotely approach that of the VX2000/2100.  Whether it
> will do for you is something only you could decide, but I find its
> low-light
> performance unacceptable.  For what it's worth, I bought my VX2000 because
> I
> couldn't find anything less expensive that had adequate low-light
> performance.

Thanks for the reply.  A quick check on Amazon.com reveals that the VX2100
is significantly more expensive then the GS65 <g>.  I wonder if there is
anything in the "under one thousand" price range that would be much better
than the GS65?
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17 Jan 2006 5:14 PM
PTravel
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> > "Swingman" <visaccoNoSpamPlease@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:84Yyf.516$tb3.7@newssvr24.news.prodigy.net...
> >> I'm looking at a Panasonic 3ccd camcorder (PV-GS65).  I'm particularly
> >> interested in how it performs in low light.  One of the applications
> >> would
> >> be filming ballroom dances where the lighting is subdued and I wouldn't
> >> be
> >> able to introduce additional light.  I've heard that the 3ccd
technology
> >> improves low light performance over the 1ccd camcorders.  I'd
appreciate
> >> what you have to say about this.  TIA
> >
> > All things being equal, 3CCD camcorders will do better in low light than
> > 1-CCD machines.  However, sensor size will have a much bigger effect.
The
> > PV-GS65 uses 1/6" sensors, which is very small.  As a result, it's
> > low-light
> > performance will not be particular good.  For comparison, Sony's VX2100
> > uses
> > 1/3" in sensors, double the size of the Panasonic.  I have a VX2000, the
> > predecessor to the VX2100, and virtually identical in terms of
> > performance.
> > I routinely shoot in very low light situations and get stunning results.
> > There's a review of the PV-GS65 at Robin Liss' website:
> >
> >
http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/Panasonic-PV-GS65-Camcorder-Review.htm
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> > Bear in mind that the website tends to be rather "consumery" and
> > subjective,
> > at least with respect to consumer machines.  However, the review
includes
> > color charts shot at various lux levels for the Panasonic, and the
> > performance doesn't remotely approach that of the VX2000/2100.  Whether
it
> > will do for you is something only you could decide, but I find its
> > low-light
> > performance unacceptable.  For what it's worth, I bought my VX2000
because
> > I
> > couldn't find anything less expensive that had adequate low-light
> > performance.
>
> Thanks for the reply.  A quick check on Amazon.com reveals that the VX2100
> is significantly more expensive then the GS65 <g>.  I wonder if there is
> anything in the "under one thousand" price range that would be much better
> than the GS65?

As I indicated, I'm not aware of any camcorder under $1000 with good
low-light performance.  You might want to look at Sony's high-end 1
chippers.  Sony uses HAD ccds, which improves low light sensitivity.
However, the VX2100/2000 are the least expensive miniDV camcorders that I've
seen that have what I consider acceptable low-light performance.  I've to a
couple of clips on the main page of my not-quite-opened-yet website that
were shot at night with the VX2000 -- they may give you an idea of what to
expect: www.travelersvideo.com




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18 Jan 2006 3:16 AM
Swingman
> As I indicated, I'm not aware of any camcorder under $1000 with good
> low-light performance.  You might want to look at Sony's high-end 1
> chippers.  Sony uses HAD ccds, which improves low light sensitivity.
> However, the VX2100/2000 are the least expensive miniDV camcorders that
> I've
> seen that have what I consider acceptable low-light performance.  I've to
> a
> couple of clips on the main page of my not-quite-opened-yet website that
> were shot at night with the VX2000 -- they may give you an idea of what to
> expect: www.travelersvideo.com

Thanks for the additional info and the link.  I will check it out.
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18 Jan 2006 3:30 AM
PTravel
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"Swingman" <visaccoNoSpamPlease@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > As I indicated, I'm not aware of any camcorder under $1000 with good
> > low-light performance.  You might want to look at Sony's high-end 1
> > chippers.  Sony uses HAD ccds, which improves low light sensitivity.
> > However, the VX2100/2000 are the least expensive miniDV camcorders that
> > I've
> > seen that have what I consider acceptable low-light performance.  I've
to
> > a
> > couple of clips on the main page of my not-quite-opened-yet website that
> > were shot at night with the VX2000 -- they may give you an idea of what
to
> > expect: www.travelersvideo.com
>
> Thanks for the additional info and the link.  I will check it out.

As a follow-up, in addition to Sony higher-end 1 chippers, I've heard that
the Canon Optura has better low-light performance than other consumer
camcorders.  The best thing is probably go to a store where you can try
these "hands on."  Find a dark corner (bear in mind that retail stores are
usually very bright) and see how it does.


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