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dvd camcorder
Pros/cons. I am looking at buying a camera and am trying to figure out what to go with. It is just for personal use...nothing professional. Suggestions? Thanks in advance! apshawnhunt wrote:
> What are your opinions on a dvd camcorder? Toy> I am looking at buying a camera and am trying to figure out what to go with. Then buy an inexpensive mini-DV or Digital8.> It is just for personal use...nothing professional. Dave --
Tzortzakakis Dimitrios major in electrical engineering,freelance electrician FH von Iraklion-Kreta, freiberuflicher Elektriker dimtzort AT otenet DOT gr ? <davesvi***@aol.com> ?????? ??? ?????? news:1137016616.973855.253690@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... Yeah right I agree.Mini DV cameras come in many flavors and tastes, and with> apshawnhunt wrote: > > What are your opinions on a dvd camcorder? > > Toy > > > I am looking at buying a camera and am trying to figure out what to go with. > > It is just for personal use...nothing professional. > > Then buy an inexpensive mini-DV or Digital8. > > Dave a digital 8 you can use regular hi 8 tapes.Everything with a laser beam and a tracking accuracy of ~1nm should be considered a bad option when on the run, since laser assemblies tend to skip when exposed even to minimal shaking. Show quoteHide quote > A guy at the electronics store said that tapes are old technology and
everything will be moving to mini-dvd or hard-drive camcorders. Is he misleading me and trying to make a quick buck? Show quoteHide quote "Tzortzakakis Dimitrios" <dimtz***@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:dq5n9m$evt$1@usenet.otenet.gr... > > > -- > Tzortzakakis Dimitrios > major in electrical engineering,freelance electrician > FH von Iraklion-Kreta, freiberuflicher Elektriker > dimtzort AT otenet DOT gr > ? <davesvi***@aol.com> ?????? ??? ?????? > news:1137016616.973855.253690@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... >> apshawnhunt wrote: >> > What are your opinions on a dvd camcorder? >> >> Toy >> >> > I am looking at buying a camera and am trying to figure out what to go > with. >> > It is just for personal use...nothing professional. >> >> Then buy an inexpensive mini-DV or Digital8. >> >> Dave > Yeah right I agree.Mini DV cameras come in many flavors and tastes, and > with > a digital 8 you can use regular hi 8 tapes.Everything with a laser beam > and > a tracking accuracy of ~1nm should be considered a bad option when on the > run, since laser assemblies tend to skip when exposed even to minimal > shaking. >> > > On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:38:34 -0330, apshawnhunt wrote:
> A guy at the electronics store said that tapes are old technology and well, it *is* his job to sell you things that people don't actually want to> everything will be moving to mini-dvd or hard-drive camcorders. Is he > misleading me and trying to make a quick buck? buy. anyway, the future is in hdd's and solid state memory, but hey, that's the future :) -- * * * * * S U P E R ! * * * * * "apshawnhunt" <apshawnh***@hotmail.com> wrote in message Yes.news:dq6nhd$1gd$1@coranto.ucs.mun.ca... > A guy at the electronics store said that tapes are old technology and > everything will be moving to mini-dvd or hard-drive camcorders. Is he > misleading me and trying to make a quick buck? Hard drive and miniDVD camcorders store video as mpeg at compression ratios of 10 to 1 or higher. MiniDV stores video in DV-25 format at a compression ratio of 5 to 1. Higher compression = lower video quality. Additionally, mpeg can only be edited with considerable difficulty (unless all you want to do is simple cuts-only editing). MiniDV is easily edited and supported by dozens and dozens of editing packages at all levels from beginner to professional. The latest development in consumer/prosumer camcorders is HDV, which uses miniDV tapes as the recording vehicle. Magentic tapes are the cheapest and most reliable long-term storage medium around. Moral of the story: guys at electronics stores are the last people to turn to for advice about camcorders (or anything else). Show quoteHide quote > > > > "Tzortzakakis Dimitrios" <dimtz***@otenet.gr> wrote in message > news:dq5n9m$evt$1@usenet.otenet.gr... > > > > > > -- > > Tzortzakakis Dimitrios > > major in electrical engineering,freelance electrician > > FH von Iraklion-Kreta, freiberuflicher Elektriker > > dimtzort AT otenet DOT gr > > ? <davesvi***@aol.com> ?????? ??? ?????? > > news:1137016616.973855.253690@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > >> apshawnhunt wrote: > >> > What are your opinions on a dvd camcorder? > >> > >> Toy > >> > >> > I am looking at buying a camera and am trying to figure out what to go > > with. > >> > It is just for personal use...nothing professional. > >> > >> Then buy an inexpensive mini-DV or Digital8. > >> > >> Dave > > Yeah right I agree.Mini DV cameras come in many flavors and tastes, and > > with > > a digital 8 you can use regular hi 8 tapes.Everything with a laser beam > > and > > a tracking accuracy of ~1nm should be considered a bad option when on the > > run, since laser assemblies tend to skip when exposed even to minimal > > shaking. > >> > > > > > > On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:38:34 -0330, "apshawnhunt"
<apshawnh***@hotmail.com> wrote: >A guy at the electronics store said that tapes are old technology and At present you get better quality on tape than from integral DVD. I'm>everything will be moving to mini-dvd or hard-drive camcorders. Is he >misleading me and trying to make a quick buck? sure the future leads away from tape, just as it has in audio. "apshawnhunt" <apshawnh***@hotmail.com> writes: He's right in a sense - in the long term, video recording is likely to>A guy at the electronics store said that tapes are old technology and >everything will be moving to mini-dvd or hard-drive camcorders. Is he >misleading me and trying to make a quick buck? move away from tape. However, he's also misleading you, because the DVD and hard-drive camcorders available *now* are inferior in video quality to miniDV tape camcorders, because the data on tape is less compressed. Dave The problem with tape video is that if you want to edit 2 hours of video on
tape then it takes at least 2 hours to record it to computer. It is very consuming process. Otherwise everything else is better with tape models. Jan Show quoteHide quote "Dave Martindale" <da***@cs.ubc.ca> wrote in message news:dq969u$na5$2@swain.cs.ubc.ca... > "apshawnhunt" <apshawnh***@hotmail.com> writes: >>A guy at the electronics store said that tapes are old technology and >>everything will be moving to mini-dvd or hard-drive camcorders. Is he >>misleading me and trying to make a quick buck? > > He's right in a sense - in the long term, video recording is likely to > move away from tape. > > However, he's also misleading you, because the DVD and hard-drive > camcorders available *now* are inferior in video quality to miniDV tape > camcorders, because the data on tape is less compressed. > > Dave "Jan Nademlejnsky" <jann***@shaw.ca> writes: True, but you don't have to be there in person for most of the process.>The problem with tape video is that if you want to edit 2 hours of video on >tape then it takes at least 2 hours to record it to computer. It is very >consuming process. Otherwise everything else is better with tape models. You need to change tapes every hour, but otherwise the computer can handle the capture on its own. Dave Dave Martindale wrote:
> "Jan Nademlejnsky" <jann***@shaw.ca> writes: OK, it looks like miniDV tape camcorders might be a good choice for the> >The problem with tape video is that if you want to edit 2 hours of video on > >tape then it takes at least 2 hours to record it to computer. It is very > >consuming process. Otherwise everything else is better with tape models. > > True, but you don't have to be there in person for most of the process. > You need to change tapes every hour, but otherwise the computer can > handle the capture on its own. > > Dave time being, especially since they are cheaper than dvd camcorders. Or are Hard Drive camcorders good? But here's the real question for me.... ** WHY ONLY *MINI* DVD? Are there only 3' camcorders? Why not full-sized DVD? The media is cheaper if you look for sales, and you can record much longer videos. Why are electronics manufacturers so dim? (And why not a joggable DVD player for music?) "glenhappy" <glenha***@yahoo.com> writes: Apparently, the existing consumer hard drive camcorders all use MPEG-2>OK, it looks like miniDV tape camcorders might be a good choice for the >time being, especially since they are cheaper than dvd camcorders. Or >are Hard Drive camcorders good? compression, like the DVD camcorders. So none provide lower-compression recording comparable to miniDV tape. There doesn't seem to be any technical reason for this to be true. A camcorder with 30 GB hard drive would provide more than 2 hours of recording at miniDV quality, but somebody in marketing probably figures that nobody would want 2 hours of DV video when they could have 8-10 hours of (poorer) MPEG-2. >** WHY ONLY *MINI* DVD? Are there only 3' camcorders? Why not The camcorder would have to be huge (by current standards) to include a>full-sized DVD? full-size DVD drive. Who would buy it? Even the mini-DVD ones seem to have a wart on the side. Dave Dave Martindale wrote:
\-sized DVD? > Smaller is better, seems to be the mantra, but I've never quite> The camcorder would have to be huge (by current standards) to include a > full-size DVD drive. Who would buy it? Even the mini-DVD ones seem to > have a wart on the side. understood it. There is some convience to small, but I never found it that important. Years back I carried a full size S-VHS camera everywhere. It went in a back pakk sking and ever where else, and was no big deal. I did later switch to hi-8 that fit nicely in a fanny pack which I still use except that now I sometimes carry my Digital8. The point is that I wouldn't carry a camcorder any more often, if it fit in a shirt pocket. Dave Dave - agreed.
The old smaller thing? Hmmm...? I used to like my old full-sized VHS camcorder. It was easier to get smooth shots, propping it on my shoulder and using my whole body for panning. And it was 2 hours not 30 minutes to the VHS-C. I don't really get how an extra couple of inches to the mini-DVD camcorder really hurts. A couple of extra inches to accomodate a full sized DVD that can hold more and is effing cheaper! Sheesh. Why can't they make just one or two like that for people who want it? By "one or two," I mean models, of course. Also, what about my idea
for a DVD player that looks like a CD player and is joggable. You could hold 4+ gigs of music or podcasts instead of 700meg. What the heck? People still buy CD players and many can handle "podcasts." Why not one that can read DVD's too? The DVD medium is really not being exploited well... Just for a slightly smaller device. Whoop de do! I bought a DVD camcorder and it is great. It seems to have better quality
picture than my mini-dv and is more convenient. 2 thumbs up. Also, with dvd-ram disc technology it works much closer to a hdd camcorder since dvd-ram works more like a hard-drive. Also, the dvd-ram's are good for at least 100,000 uses and range in shelf life from 30 to 100 years depending on the brand. Also, the dvd-ram disc's can come double sided recordable and store almost 10 gig's. However, I agree that it would be cool if we could just record directly onto full sized dvd's!!! Show quoteHide quote "glenhappy" <glenha***@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1137509584.780901.284390@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > By "one or two," I mean models, of course. Also, what about my idea > for a DVD player that looks like a CD player and is joggable. You > could hold 4+ gigs of music or podcasts instead of 700meg. What the > heck? People still buy CD players and many can handle "podcasts." Why > not one that can read DVD's too? The DVD medium is really not being > exploited well... Just for a slightly smaller device. Whoop de do! > Hello,
What is the compression rario of the "Ultra" recording mode on the JVC Hard Drive Disk Everio? Does it compare to the 5 to 1 of MiniDV? http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/JVC-Introduces-Four-Hard-Drive-Based-Everio-Camcorders.htm I'm looking at buying a camcorder as well (for creating instructional DVDs for resale). What has been said in this post makes sense. I just don't want to invest in a camcorder that uses tapes, but I obviously want the best quality possible. Any suggestions? What do you guys think about the Sony Handycam High Definition MiniDV Camcorder? http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?ProductSKU=HDRHC1 Pros? Cons? Does it use discs or tapes to record? I'm a tech illiterate --- from reading the descriptions... I can't even tell. Your comments/opinions would be appreciated. Jay bossp***@yahoo.com wrote:
> I just Why do you not want to use tape?> don't want to invest in a camcorder that uses tapes, but I obviously > want the best quality possible. Any suggestions? > What do you guys think about the Sony Handycam High Definition MiniDV It states "video recorded on a standard MiniDV cassette". MiniDV> Camcorder? > Does it use discs or tapes to record? I'm a tech illiterate --- from > reading the descriptions... I can't even tell. cassette = tape. Dave 
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