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Copy from Mini DV to PC to DVD, what's the real question?

Author
25 Nov 2005 5:46 PM
John Grossbohlin
I'm not sure how to ask this question because I'm not sure what the real
question is...

I've got a Dell Dimension 8400 with dual TV tuners, the Windows XP Media
version, Sonic MyDVD, PhotoShop CS, cable modem, and CD and DVD burners. For
the past three years or so I've mostly been working with digital still
photography--lately with a Fuji S7000 prosumer 6.3 megapixal camera and
Photoshop CS. However, I've also got a JVC Mini DV camera, model GR-DVP310u,
that is about 4 1/2 years old or so. I haven't used the JVC camera much
since I got into the digital still cameras and I have not taken any of the
footage off the mini-DV tapes... got quite a few of them!

I'd like to think I can get the footage off the Mini-DV tapes, into my
computer and ultimately burn them to DVDs using the Sonic MyDVD software.
The JVC camera came with a cable with a RS-232C connector that allows me to
connect to the PC. However, the JLIP Video Capture and Producer software and
manuals imply that I can only transfer still images from the camera to the
PC and all the video would have to go to VHS. Looking on the JVC web site
revealed nothing to me as concerns pulling this task off.

The simple question is how do I copy from the Mini DV to the PC to DVD but I
think the real question may be something else...

Suggestions???

Thanks

John

Author
27 Nov 2005 4:46 AM
David Sommers
All the basic software you need is built in to XP. Just plug in the camera
to a Firewire port and the right capture application will automatically pop
up. And I'm pretty sure that MyDVD will capture video too.

Bye.

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"John Grossbohlin" <grossboj.nospam@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> I'm not sure how to ask this question because I'm not sure what the real
> question is...
>
[.........]
> The simple question is how do I copy from the Mini DV to the PC to DVD but
> I think the real question may be something else...
>
> Suggestions???
>
> Thanks
>
> John
>
>
>
Author
27 Nov 2005 5:01 PM
John Grossbohlin
"David Sommers" <dsomm***@ACM.org> wrote in message
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> All the basic software you need is built in to XP. Just plug in the camera
> to a Firewire port and the right capture application will automatically
> pop up. And I'm pretty sure that MyDVD will capture video too.
>
> "John Grossbohlin" <grossboj.nospam@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:x5Ihf.5438$wf.804@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...

>> The simple question is how do I copy from the Mini DV to the PC to DVD
>> but I think the real question may be something else...

David,

My Dell 8400 computer has a Sound Blaster Audigy card that lists IEEE1394 as
one of its features. Can I assume that that is  a Firewire port?? If so then
I think all I need is a cable... Sound right?

Strip the extraneous out of my e-mail address to take this off line.

Thanks,

John
Author
27 Nov 2005 6:42 PM
David Sommers
Firewire goes by several names since it was created by Apple some years ago.
When it became a real engineering standard, it was called IEEE-1394. And
Sony calls it iLink for some reason. They are all the same. Now there is
Firewire 800, which as the name implies, runs at double the original
400Mbps, and is backwards compatible. There are two kinds of Firewire
connection, the 4-pin on your camera and the 6-pin on many disk drives and
other Firewire devices. The extra two pins carry power and there are adapter
cables to interconnect the two. My desktop PC has 4-pin Firewire on the
front and 6-pin Firewire on the back.

Bye.

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> "David Sommers" <dsomm***@ACM.org> wrote in message
> news:qSaif.83690$QM5.13826@tornado.socal.rr.com...
>> All the basic software you need is built in to XP. Just plug in the
>> camera to a Firewire port and the right capture application will
>> automatically pop up. And I'm pretty sure that MyDVD will capture video
>> too.
>>
>> "John Grossbohlin" <grossboj.nospam@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in
>> message news:x5Ihf.5438$wf.804@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
>>> The simple question is how do I copy from the Mini DV to the PC to DVD
>>> but I think the real question may be something else...
>
> David,
>
> My Dell 8400 computer has a Sound Blaster Audigy card that lists IEEE1394
> as one of its features. Can I assume that that is  a Firewire port?? If so
> then I think all I need is a cable... Sound right?
>
> Strip the extraneous out of my e-mail address to take this off line.
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Author
27 Nov 2005 7:16 PM
John Grossbohlin
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"David Sommers" <dsomm***@ACM.org> wrote in message
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> Firewire goes by several names since it was created by Apple some years
> ago. When it became a real engineering standard, it was called IEEE-1394.
> And Sony calls it iLink for some reason. They are all the same. Now there
> is Firewire 800, which as the name implies, runs at double the original
> 400Mbps, and is backwards compatible. There are two kinds of Firewire
> connection, the 4-pin on your camera and the 6-pin on many disk drives and
> other Firewire devices. The extra two pins carry power and there are
> adapter cables to interconnect the two. My desktop PC has 4-pin Firewire
> on the front and 6-pin Firewire on the back.
>
> Bye.
>
> "John Grossbohlin" <grossboj.nospam@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:JDlif.6231$wf.3779@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>
>> "David Sommers" <dsomm***@ACM.org> wrote in message
>> news:qSaif.83690$QM5.13826@tornado.socal.rr.com...
>>> All the basic software you need is built in to XP. Just plug in the
>>> camera to a Firewire port and the right capture application will
>>> automatically pop up. And I'm pretty sure that MyDVD will capture video
>>> too.
>>>
>>> "John Grossbohlin" <grossboj.nospam@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in
>>> message news:x5Ihf.5438$wf.804@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>
>>>> The simple question is how do I copy from the Mini DV to the PC to DVD
>>>> but I think the real question may be something else...
>>
>> David,
>>
>> My Dell 8400 computer has a Sound Blaster Audigy card that lists IEEE1394
>> as one of its features. Can I assume that that is  a Firewire port?? If
>> so then I think all I need is a cable... Sound right?

Thanks David... a double-ended 4-pin cable solve my problem!

John
Author
28 Nov 2005 1:52 AM
PTRAVEL
"David Sommers" <dsomm***@ACM.org> wrote in message
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> Firewire goes by several names since it was created by Apple some years
> ago. When it became a real engineering standard, it was called IEEE-1394.
> And Sony calls it iLink for some reason. They are all the same.

Actually, they are not.  To be guaranteed to work with a camcorder, they
need to be OHCI compliant.  Virtually all modern ports are, but many older
ones were not.

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> Now there is Firewire 800, which as the name implies, runs at double the
> original 400Mbps, and is backwards compatible. There are two kinds of
> Firewire connection, the 4-pin on your camera and the 6-pin on many disk
> drives and other Firewire devices. The extra two pins carry power and
> there are adapter cables to interconnect the two. My desktop PC has 4-pin
> Firewire on the front and 6-pin Firewire on the back.
>
> Bye.
>
> "John Grossbohlin" <grossboj.nospam@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:JDlif.6231$wf.3779@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>
>> "David Sommers" <dsomm***@ACM.org> wrote in message
>> news:qSaif.83690$QM5.13826@tornado.socal.rr.com...
>>> All the basic software you need is built in to XP. Just plug in the
>>> camera to a Firewire port and the right capture application will
>>> automatically pop up. And I'm pretty sure that MyDVD will capture video
>>> too.
>>>
>>> "John Grossbohlin" <grossboj.nospam@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in
>>> message news:x5Ihf.5438$wf.804@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>
>>>> The simple question is how do I copy from the Mini DV to the PC to DVD
>>>> but I think the real question may be something else...
>>
>> David,
>>
>> My Dell 8400 computer has a Sound Blaster Audigy card that lists IEEE1394
>> as one of its features. Can I assume that that is  a Firewire port?? If
>> so then I think all I need is a cable... Sound right?
>>
>> Strip the extraneous out of my e-mail address to take this off line.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Author
28 Nov 2005 4:31 AM
David Sommers
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:52:25 -0800, PTRAVEL wrote:

>
> "David Sommers" <dsomm***@ACM.org> wrote in message
> news:H6nif.83717$QM5.7805@tornado.socal.rr.com...
>> Firewire goes by several names since it was created by Apple some years
>> ago. When it became a real engineering standard, it was called IEEE-1394.
>> And Sony calls it iLink for some reason. They are all the same.
>
> Actually, they are not.  To be guaranteed to work with a camcorder, they
> need to be OHCI compliant.  Virtually all modern ports are, but many older
> ones were not.

OK, which is it? Are they the same or not? I think you are saying that if
a Firewire / IEEE-1394 / iLink port is OHCI compliant, it will handle an
OHCI compliant camcorder. From my point of view, with the now ubiquitous
IEEE-1394, OHCI compliant ports on most modern motherboards, the minor
issue of some ancient PC or Mac with some antique Firewire port is moot
and not a serious issue anymore.

Bye.
Author
28 Nov 2005 5:13 AM
PTRAVEL
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"David Sommers" <ubuntu.naviga***@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:52:25 -0800, PTRAVEL wrote:
>
>>
>> "David Sommers" <dsomm***@ACM.org> wrote in message
>> news:H6nif.83717$QM5.7805@tornado.socal.rr.com...
>>> Firewire goes by several names since it was created by Apple some years
>>> ago. When it became a real engineering standard, it was called
>>> IEEE-1394.
>>> And Sony calls it iLink for some reason. They are all the same.
>>
>> Actually, they are not.  To be guaranteed to work with a camcorder, they
>> need to be OHCI compliant.  Virtually all modern ports are, but many
>> older
>> ones were not.
>
> OK, which is it?

Which is what?

> Are they the same or not?

Are what the same?  Camcorders require OHCI compliant 1394 ports.  Some are,
some aren't.

> I think you are saying that if
> a Firewire / IEEE-1394 / iLink port is OHCI compliant, it will handle an
> OHCI compliant camcorder.

There ya go.  And, conversely, if the 1394 port is not OHCI compliant, it
will not handle _any_ camcorder (all of which require OHCI-compliant ports).

> From my point of view, with the now ubiquitous
> IEEE-1394, OHCI compliant ports on most modern motherboards, the minor
> issue of some ancient PC or Mac with some antique Firewire port is moot
> and not a serious issue anymore.

IEEE-1394 is not a guarantee of OHCI complaince.  You also have an
interesting definition of "antique," given that computers and ports of as
recent manufacture as three years ago may not have included OHCI-compliant
1394 ports, and had ports that would not work reliably with camcorders.

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> Bye.
Author
27 Nov 2005 9:56 PM
videos
John Grossbohlin wrote:
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>
> I'm not sure how to ask this question because I'm not sure what the real
> question is...
>
> I've got a Dell Dimension 8400 with dual TV tuners, the Windows XP Media
> version, Sonic MyDVD, PhotoShop CS, cable modem, and CD and DVD burners. For
> the past three years or so I've mostly been working with digital still
> photography--lately with a Fuji S7000 prosumer 6.3 megapixal camera and
> Photoshop CS. However, I've also got a JVC Mini DV camera, model GR-DVP310u,
> that is about 4 1/2 years old or so. I haven't used the JVC camera much
> since I got into the digital still cameras and I have not taken any of the
> footage off the mini-DV tapes... got quite a few of them!
>
> I'd like to think I can get the footage off the Mini-DV tapes, into my
> computer and ultimately burn them to DVDs using the Sonic MyDVD software.
> The JVC camera came with a cable with a RS-232C connector that allows me to
> connect to the PC. However, the JLIP Video Capture and Producer software and
> manuals imply that I can only transfer still images from the camera to the
> PC and all the video would have to go to VHS. Looking on the JVC web site
> revealed nothing to me as concerns pulling this task off.
>
> The simple question is how do I copy from the Mini DV to the PC to DVD but I
> think the real question may be something else...
>
> Suggestions???
>
> Thanks
>
> John

Go to Google and search the "Sony VRD-VC20" stand alone DVD
burner. You can record from your camcorder using the RCA
plugs ... into the DVD burner. I own one and it is great!

Stan