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16 Nov 2005 12:06 PM
amcwill417
What is the probability that a 40 inch LCD TV (perhaps a new Sony XBR) will
have some defective pixels within 2 years of purchase new?
What about 3 years?

Alex

Author
17 Nov 2005 12:23 AM
Donald Link
Depends on how many parties you have.

On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 06:06:00 -0600, "amcwill417"
<amcwill***@email.msn.com> wrote:

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>What is the probability that a 40 inch LCD TV (perhaps a new Sony XBR) will
>have some defective pixels within 2 years of purchase new?
>What about 3 years?
>
>Alex
>
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17 Nov 2005 4:33 AM
amcwill417
Not to mention kids.

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"Donald Link" <li***@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> Depends on how many parties you have.
>
> On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 06:06:00 -0600, "amcwill417"
> <amcwill***@email.msn.com> wrote:
>
> >What is the probability that a 40 inch LCD TV (perhaps a new Sony XBR)
will
> >have some defective pixels within 2 years of purchase new?
> >What about 3 years?
> >
> >Alex
> >
Author
17 Nov 2005 3:48 AM
Howard Ring
My experience with LCD TVs has been that the dead/stuck pixels are
dead/stuck right from the start, or perhaps shortly there after. So if you
don't have any at 2 years, you aren't likely to have any at 3. Different
manufacturers have different policies towards dead/stuck pixels. You should
check out their policies before any purchase and make sure their policy fits
your sensitvities.

How


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"amcwill417" <amcwill***@email.msn.com> wrote in message
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> What is the probability that a 40 inch LCD TV (perhaps a new Sony XBR)
> will
> have some defective pixels within 2 years of purchase new?
> What about 3 years?
>
> Alex
>
>
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17 Nov 2005 4:32 AM
amcwill417
"Howard Ring" <newsring@nospam.wideopenwest.com> wrote in message
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> My experience with LCD TVs has been that the dead/stuck pixels are
> dead/stuck right from the start, or perhaps shortly there after. So if you
> don't have any at 2 years, you aren't likely to have any at 3. Different
> manufacturers have different policies towards dead/stuck pixels. You
should
> check out their policies before any purchase and make sure their policy
fits
> your sensitvities.
>
> How
>
Thanks for your reply.

Alex
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> "amcwill417" <amcwill***@email.msn.com> wrote in message
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> > What is the probability that a 40 inch LCD TV (perhaps a new Sony XBR)
> > will
> > have some defective pixels within 2 years of purchase new?
> > What about 3 years?
> >
> > Alex
> >
> >
>
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Author
20 Nov 2005 6:09 AM
fiveiron
Author
21 Nov 2005 5:43 PM
Howard Ring
A dead/stuck pixel is one that no longer appears the proper color. A dead
pixel would just go black, but sometimes pixels just lose a color, or two.
Maybe the red no longer works, but the blue and green do. I have this
situation on my DILA. Generally if just a pixel goes, it isn't very
noticable, it is when you get clusters of pixels that you take notice. My
DILA (80" front projection) has various pixels out (from the get go). It is
not very noticable, the only time I see them is when I go looking for them.

I also have 17" and 24" lcd computer monitors. The 17" is about 3 years old,
the 24" about 6 months. I have used both extensively. Neither have any dead
or stuck pixels that I have noticed. For best results, you want to use these
at their otpimum (native) settings. The 24" is 1920x1200 native. Sometimes
it auto-synchs to 1600x1200, Windows meanwhile thinks everything is
1920x1200 still. Needless to say, things appear fuzzy then, especially text.
When this happens, I just set the display size to something else and then
back to 1920x1200, clears up the problem every time.

From your description, I am guessing you have something not quite configured
right with your 20" monitor. You are not matching its native resolution, or
you have something with your anti-aliasing and/or your graphics card not set
the way it should be.

How

<fivei***@webtv.net> wrote in message
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what is a dead-stuck pixel? I have a 20" l c d philip tv / monitor, and
some sites I load, not all, the characters look "crippled" - and there
is an auxiliary color "shading" the text, and on some the bg appears
mottled with various colors.

and the funny thing is, this situation while constant for a long time,
tonight it appeared in a site I had just loaded and a before the site
fully loaded - blip, it disappeared right before my eyes. Crazy.

m h o
v fe
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21 Nov 2005 8:10 PM
fiveiron
Author
22 Nov 2005 12:32 AM
Gene E. Bloch
On 11/21/2005, fivei***@webtv.net managed to type:
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> Thanks Howard for the comments.
>
> Here is a site on the tv / monitor I'm presently using, and having
> minimal problems as outlined earlier.
>
> http://www.samsclub.com/eclub/main_shopping.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=yes&n=0&mt=a&coe=0&oidPath=0:-23542:-23589:-24298:-36941:955263
>
> With Webtv/Msntv as the isp - one has very little chance of making some
> adjustments.
>
> The situation is not unbearable, just puzzling, and particularly so when
> I momentarily witnessed it making a _one-time_ self-correction for the
> site content to be viewed, to reappear in subsequent sites later.
> ====
> The above tv/monitor is a replacement for one that crashed (none of the
> above problems with it). While getting the replacement I used a 13" CRT
> Magnavox TV - and the same situation mentioned above - existed with it.
>
> Now it appears, to me anyway, that there is something inherit in the
> Philips / Magnavox units that is responsible for the glitz, or the
> intelligence being received is - amiss.
>
> m h o
>  v ƒe 

You probably, as Howard says, have the wrong configuration set. My
guess: the resolution is wrong.

Try this: right click on a blank spot of the desktop (minimize or shut
down apps so you can find a blank spot). On the menu which appears,
choose Properties, click the Settings tab, and move the slider in the
"Screen resolution" panel to 800x600 (I got this number from the
Philips website after browsing to the model number you gave us). Click
OK, and if it looks good, accept it before it times out.

If I guessed right, your troubles are over...

HTH,
Gino

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Gene E. Bloch (Gino)
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(replace the numbers by "at" and "dotcom")
Author
22 Nov 2005 3:52 AM
fiveiron
Author
22 Nov 2005 5:34 PM
Howard Ring
Yes, they should be viewed from as head on as possible. Usually, the more
off center the viewing angle, the dimmer the picture. Maybe something in the
WebTV anti-aliasing technology causes a differet result.

Interesting also that the writeup you gave us:

http://www.samsclub.com/eclub/main_shopping.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=yes&n=0&mt=a&coe=0&oidPath=0:-23542:-23589:-24298:-36941:955263

and the Phillips website:

http://www.consumer.philips.com/consumer/catalog/product.jsp?language=en&country=US&catalogType=CONSUMER&productId=20PF5120_28_US_CONSUMER

don't agree on the resolution. Perhaps that was a closeout deal, and
Phillips has since enhanced that model. If they did that, they should
enhance the model number also.

Howard


<fivei***@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Thanks for all the comments on the problem.

I've come to the conclusion that LCD TV / Monitors should be viewed -
head-on (at eye level) - for optimum video results.

When the TV screen in question was lowered to eye level - the problems I
was complaining about - disappeared, and the overall picture improved.

m h o
v fe
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22 Nov 2005 7:13 PM
fiveiron
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23 Nov 2005 3:40 AM
fiveiron
Author
17 Nov 2005 9:39 PM
Dimitrios Tzortzakakis
Nobody really knows, because LCD tvs are a recent discovery.While CRT TVs
can last one decade with no damage and two decades with minimal repairs, and
still play on,nobody knows what the behavior of a LCD tv will be in 5 or 10
years.I suppose the manufacturers have put stress tests on them, but as tvs
are no medicines they won't have let 'em run for 10 years.Now, in the store
I work, the cheapest Philips CRT 29"TV goes for just 330 euros and there's
no reason not getting it, with the excellent picture it offers.

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Tzortzakakis Dimitrios
major in electrical engineering, freelance electrician
FH von Iraklion-Kreta, freiberuflicher Elektriker
dimtzort AT otenet DOT gr
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> What is the probability that a 40 inch LCD TV (perhaps a new Sony XBR)
will
> have some defective pixels within 2 years of purchase new?
> What about 3 years?
>
> Alex
>
>
Author
18 Nov 2005 1:13 PM
Laurence Payne
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 06:06:00 -0600, "amcwill417"
<amcwill***@email.msn.com> wrote:

>What is the probability that a 40 inch LCD TV (perhaps a new Sony XBR) will
>have some defective pixels within 2 years of purchase new?
>What about 3 years?

We'll tell you when the first domestic 40" LCD screens reach 3 years
old :-)
Author
20 Nov 2005 6:18 AM
fiveiron
Author
18 Nov 2005 7:06 PM
Dariusz
In article <%gFef.2$eP.***@eagle.america.net>, "amcwill417" <amcwill***@email.msn.com> wrote:
>What is the probability that a 40 inch LCD TV (perhaps a new Sony XBR) will
>have some defective pixels within 2 years of purchase new?
>What about 3 years?

Knowing Sony's workmanship these days, probably good bet that you'll have
dead pixels PDQ.  In any event, why not join the "Boycott Sony" band which
is gaining strength.

Dariusz
Author
19 Nov 2005 8:50 PM
amcwill417
"Dariusz" <m*@localhost.com> wrote in message
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> In article <%gFef.2$eP.***@eagle.america.net>, "amcwill417"
<amcwill***@email.msn.com> wrote:
> >What is the probability that a 40 inch LCD TV (perhaps a new Sony XBR)
will
> >have some defective pixels within 2 years of purchase new?
> >What about 3 years?
>
> Knowing Sony's workmanship these days, probably good bet that you'll have
> dead pixels PDQ.  In any event, why not join the "Boycott Sony" band which
> is gaining strength.
>
> Dariusz

A little late now.  All my stuff is Sony except for two small Bose speakers.

Alex
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23 Nov 2005 12:51 AM
fiveiron