For those of you who like to have correct time stamps on your pictures,
remember to set the clock in your still and/or video camera to the
correct time.

Other clocks to consider:

Kitchen Stove - Answering Machine - Still Camera - Video Camera
VCR - Car - Cell Phone - PDA - Microwave - Watch - FAX Machine
Central Air Conditioning - GPS

Gary

DISCLAIMER: 1. Yes, I know that I could keep my camera on GMT so that I
would never have to adjust it, but it's too much of a hassle to mentally
convert GMT to local time every time I look at the picture.  2. Yes, I
now that daylight time is a dumb idea, but what are you going to do?  We
have it here!  3. Yes, I know that some electronic items will
automatically adjust to standard time, but not all of us have the latest
and greatest gadgets!  4. Yes, I know that Arizona doesn't have Daylight
time.

In article <7ek8m1dg6pt1hskd1jrh2np3612rvfg***@4ax.com>,
Gary Edstrom <gedst***@pacbell.net> wrote:

I live in Arizona; I don't have to change my clocks.

Michelle Steiner wrote:
Be glad you don't live in Indiana where the time varies county by county!

On Sun, 30 Oct 2005, at 02:52:42 [GMT -0600] (19:52:42 Sunday, 30 October
Why is that?

Extreme eastern Indiana borders the line where EDT comes into play.  If they
change to daylight saving, right across the stateline they are an hour off
in the winter.  Richmond Indiana and others have voted to not change to
daylight saving for this reason.

On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 02:52:42 -0600, Ron Hunter wrote:

thought it was only a handful of counties where it varies? (15/92)

most of Indiana stays on EST all year round

the parts near Chicago do CST/CDT (like Chicago does)

and then there are some parts in the southwest that do CST/CDT
and some other parts in the southeast that do EST/EDT

Indiana is supposed to be adopting Daylight Savings Time in 2006

In a recent message <michelle-2F32D1.22194029102***@news.west.cox.net>,
Michelle Steiner <miche***@michelle.org> wrote.

Except when in the Navaho Nation, and very confusing it can be for
someone who is already suffering from an eight-hour jet lag <g>.

Regards,
Nick.

Gary Edstrom wrote:
Show quoteHide quoteHere in Hawaii we don't use Daylight time either, was of time as far as
we are concerned :)

Scott

Gary Edstrom wrote:
Show quoteHide quoteOur local KenAndBarbie TV news readers always recommend changing your
smoke detector batteries at this juncture; not a bad idea. Back in the
days of _real_ photography I used to change my AE1, AE1P, A1, and F1N
batteries, too.

Frank ess wrote:
Show quoteHide quoteOne more fillip:  The whole daylight savings time shebang changes in
2007 when the energy savings bill goes into effect.   I just leave my
digicams on EST all year long.  Windoze makes the time change
automatically,  but Linux doesn't, so I have to change my Linux box
manually.

Bruce Coryell wrote:

It should, I have a PVR and a "general purpose" box both running on
Linux and they changed the time without any intervention.

Bruce Coryell wrote:

Configure the Linux box to use NTP and it'll handle time changes
automatically.

Paul Allen

Paul Allen <"paul dot l dot allen at comcast dot net"> writes:

NTP uses UTC, so it doesn't make a difference.  What makes a
difference is the timezone setting.  Setting it to Europe/London makes
it do the right thing here in the UK.  Another country with the same
standard time offset might have different DST rules.

On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:52:40 -0800, Paul Allen wrote:

I use mandriva 2006 beta 2 and find that it is so easy to do from the
control centre it seems pointless to try any other way.

Cell phones get their time from the network so no adjustment needed.


Show quoteHide quote

jean wrote:
Show quoteHide quote

In my experience, DIGITAL cell phons do this, but if you're using an
older analog phone, they don't get their time from the system.
Yeah, I know, who ues an older analog phone anymore? But If you're
roaming in an analog area, beware.

Show quoteHide quote

Bill Funk wrote:
I recently fired up an old analog phone the other day that did not have
a battery attached for at least 4 years and it got the correct time as
soon as it saw the phone network. I remember every analog phone I had in
the past did the same.

"George"  wrote ...
OTOH, my 3-old Panny analog phone (on Cingular)
is currently an hour fast. And my pager (digital, 2-
way) also apparently reqiuires manual intervention.

Richard Crowley wrote:
OyetAnotherH, I don't even know how to _look_ at the hour-of-day on my
cell phone. If it rings I don't answer it, since no one has the number
but me and the service. I plugged in all the numbers I might want to
call, and use one maybe three times a year.

I don't think it is a character flaw to have little use for a
technology, or even to be ignorant of one or more. Although that might
not be a good idea. You might miss one that really resonates, like
digital photography.

"Frank ess" wrote ...
I don't have a wrist-watch, so I use my pager and/or
my cellphone as a portable indicator of time-of-day.
It works for me, and I haven't found a watch-band that
feels comfortable.

People have found portable indicators of time-of-day
quite useful for several hundred years now. I believe
in Switzerland they've actually made an industry of it.

Show quote Hide quote     Doesn't it show by default on the screen when it's not in use?

On 10/30/05 8:10 AM, in article vvk9m1p7g3li55cqrh3ts50j3g8r377***@4ax.com,
Even with digital, you will have to "re-boot" the phone by turning it off
and then back on.
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On 30 Oct 2005 16:19:06 GMT, George Kerby <ghost_top***@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Show quoteHide quoteWhy?
When leaving an analog area, I don't have to reboot the phone; when it
checks into a digital network, it gets all necessary info, including
time.
When entering an analog area, it doesn't need a reboot either.
So what's the need to reboot?

On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 10:30:18 -0700, Bill Funk wrote:

  Odds are if it really needs to reboot, it's running on one of MS's
portable Windows platforms.  About 10 years ago I couldn't get back
into my office because the elevator bank hadn't been operating for
nearly an hour.  When I noticed the console controlling the
elevators appeared to be a Windows app. I asked building security to
reboot the computer.  (I had to show them how to do it).  Within
seconds after rebooting, the elevators resumed operation.  :)

ASAAR <cau***@22.com> wrote in
MS ElevatorXP?!?

That's it - I'm taking the stairs from now on...

Show quote Hide quote

In article <ql0am1dasgl6sf8vgmfvhd2ij9iacpe***@4ax.com>, Bill Funk
<BigB***@pipping.com.com> wrote:

I don't know why but if the phone is on, Verizon CDMA V60, it does not
auto change the time to from daylight savings to standard. To get the
correct time I have to turn the phone off and back on.

My computer, a Mac, changed the time this morning, it gets the time
from a network time server, but the newsreader program I use has to be
closed and reopened or it shows the wrong time after the time change.

On 10/30/05 12:53 PM, in article 301020051353005941%fort***@mac.com,
Show quoteHide quoteConclusion from this and the immediate preceeding post by ASAAR: Macs are
smarter than both the Cellular phone system OS and MS Operating system.

BTW: Both my PC and Mac knew what time it was this morning but the Mac was
running all night in sleep mode.


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On 30 Oct 2005 19:52:31 GMT, George Kerby wrote:

  I don't think that I said anything indicating that although it may
well have been true.  It was more a comment on the legendary
instability of early versions of Windows.  Recent versions are much
more stable, but it wouldn't surprise me much if the latest version
of the Mac OS was more stable than XP.  Probably smarter too. :)

ASAAR wrote:
Show quoteHide quoteWell, it is several years newer, even with SP2, WinXP is essentially
still a 20th Century OS.  Not that I have great hopes for Vista, but it
should be smarter in many ways.  I see no great difficulty in handling a
database that would allow correct setting of DST where ever the user
told the computer he lived, even for Indiana...where DST is INSANE.

On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 02:59:38 -0600, Ron Hunter wrote:

  It will no doubt be much smarter.  No longer will MS ask "Where do
you want to go today?"   Get ready for "Can't get there from here."
and "You are not authorized to go there."   As for insanity, this is
from p.11 of the Nov, 2005 issue of Maximum PC discussing DRM:

Show quoteHide quote

ASAAR wrote:
Agree, most of what I have read about "Vista" seems to indicate that the
biggest new "features" will be all sorts of DRM controls.

George wrote:
I don't expect Microsoft's next version of Windows to affect me much
more than previous versions have.  I don't use it unless there's no
other choice, and there's almost always some other choice.

What does bother me is the apparent push to develop DRM-equipped
hardware that can refuse to operate  for an OS or application that
cannot authenticate itself.  The authentication method is protected
by an expensive license, precluding its use by open-source
software.  Magnetic disk makers have floated such schemes, and
now it seems the next generation of optical drives may have
hardware-embedded DRM.  There's an awful lot of money pushing
this, and the current US administration is openly hostile to
the rights of consumers.  Most past copy protection schemes have
either failed or been abandoned, but the technological means to
restrict your right to the fair use of content are becoming
increasingly cheap and sophisticated.

Paul Allen

Paul Allen wrote:
Show quoteHide quoteAll this DRM stuff will have to pass the muster of the marketplace.  I
recall a company that 'copy protected' it software disks in such a way
that attempting to copy them rendered both the copy, and original
unreadable.  They didn't last long!

HOW does DRM relate to rec.photo.digital, and why cross-post to this NG?

On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 03:22:06 -0600, Ron Hunter <rphun***@charter.net>
wrote:

Show quoteHide quote    For starters, there was a proposal a couple of years ago to
require DRM in all AD converters. It was intended to prevent operation
of all recording devices when protected content was detected, either
audio or video. This would have embedded DRM info in copyrighted
images, so your videocam ould shut down if it scanned past a
copy-prtected Coke sign. It would also shut down if you were recording
your kid's wedding and the DJ fired up a copy-protected piece of
music. Hell, give it a couple of years and the music won't even play
on a device that doesn't have a registered-OK serial number.

    In view of that, your digital camera would have been prevented
from taking vacation photos if a protected piece of advertising showed
up in the viewfinder.

    If Ben Franklin tried to start the American free public
library system today, he'd be snuffed in court by the **AA. As it is,
they're very much against the idea of libraries lending out their CDs
and DVDs, just haven't bought enough legislators to do so yet.

On 10/30/05 11:30 AM, in article ql0am1dasgl6sf8vgmfvhd2ij9iacpe***@4ax.com,
Show quoteHide quoteI don't know why. All I know is that is necessary with a Motorola Quad-Band
GSM on Cingular network. Maybe somweone here will tell us WHY. All I know is
that it IS necessary.


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You're putting an awful lot of trust in the people who run "the
network".  My cellphone is configured to get the time from the network,
and when we changed to daylight savings time last spring it took several
*days* for all of the cell sites to be updated properly.  At one point,
the time was an hour off in one place in the city and correct in
another.

We just switched back to standard time this morning.  10 hours later,
the phones are still displaying daylight savings time.

    Dave

On 10/30/05 1:17 PM, in article dk367h$60***@mughi.cs.ubc.ca, "Dave
Martindale" <da***@cs.ubc.ca> wrote:

Try turning it off and on again. What do you have to lose?


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Not in Europe.
Show quoteHide quote

Gary Edstrom wrote:
GPS units are fundamentally about knowing the precise time.  They get
UTC from the satellites, calculate position by triangulation, and
therefore can calculate local time.  I have to believe that the GPS
system knows all about the latest "savings time" rules all over the
planet.

Now, if I could just rig everything so that my GPS would use
bluetooth to update the microwave, the answering machine, the stove,
the camera, the VCR, etc.  What's all this technology for anyway, if it
can't take care of this sort of thing for me?  :-)

Paul Allen

Paul Allen wrote:
Show quoteHide quoteSome do, some don't.  Mine is several years old and the local time has
to be set.  Gotta get one of the shiny new ones someday....

Ron Hunter wrote:
Show quoteHide quoteYup.  I discovered this morning that my old  Eagle Explorer didn't have
the right local time even after acquiring a location fix.  Oddly, it
has the ability to set the local time to whatever you want, but a cold
restart caused the thing to figure out my time zone and set the local
time to UTC minus 8 hours (Pacific Standard Time).  My finance
director's got me on a budget, so if I buy a shiny new GPS I have to
forego the shiny new camera I'm hankerin' for.  :-)

Dang!  I haven't reset my camera's time yet!  I wonder what else I've
forgotten?

Paul Allen

"paul dot l dot allen at comcast dot net" writes:

The GPS *system* operates in GPS time.  It marches forward at exactly
the same rate as UTC, but GPS time doesn't have leap seconds, so there
are always exactly the same number of seconds in a year, and so GPS time
and UTC differ by an integer number of seconds.

GPS receivers get GPS time from the satellites, plus a data field
giving the current offset between GPS time and UTC, plus a flag
indicating that a leap second is coming.  So they have all the
information needed to provide UTC, exactly, if they want to.

But GPS receivers generally don't know what time zone you are in,
because they don't include detailed maps of time zone boundaries.  Once
*you* tell the receiver what your local time zone is, and whether it
observes daylight savings time, some receivers will handle the ST/DST
switch automatically - if you're in one of the countries it's been
programmed for.  If any of this works, it's because of software in the
receiver - the GPS system knows nothing about local time.

Yeah, and when the USA changes the dates that DST starts, all this
technology will make the change automatically on the wrong date...

    Dave

Dave Martindale wrote:
Show quoteHide quoteOf course the system knows nothing about local time.  And I'm
pretty sure my 1997-vintage GPS receiver doesn't know anything
about time zone boundaries.  It also has no way for me to tell it
the local offset from UTC.  But, I took it out in the front yard this
morning and told it to do a cold start.  It thought for a while
and then announced that it knew my location, the current UTC time,
and the correct local time (8 hours behind UTC).  How did it do that
if the system didn't know how to tell it my time zone offset?

That's why it's a mistake to embed knowledge of DST transition dates in
software or firmware.  Just let NTP or the GPS system take care of it.

Paul Allen

Paul Allen wrote:
Show quoteHide quoteOk for software, not so ok for firmware, and BAD for ROM...

"paul dot l dot allen at comcast dot net" writes:

Some questions:
1) What is your receiver?  I'll bet it does have a way to tell it the
   local offset from UTC.

2) What did the receiver think the local time zone was before you did
   the cold start?  Normally, though a cold start reloads all of the
   satellite-provided data, it does not reset user-provided data like
   the local timezone offset.

3) What do you mean by a cold start anyway?  Different receivers mean
   different things by this.

But the GPS system, by design, knows nothing of local timezone
boundaries, or the dates DST starts and stops.

    Dave

Dave Martindale wrote:
Show quoteHide quoteIt's an Eagle Explorer with version 1.4 firmware, dated January 20,
1977.  You can bet if you want, but it has no way to set a local offset
from UTC.  There's nothing about it in the owner's manual.

It doesn't think anything about the local time zone.  It doesn't know
anything about time zones, apparently.

The manual says a cold start erases cached location and time information
and starts over by scanning the sky for satellites.  A warm start is
much quicker because the unit can predict the satellites that should
be visible and look just for them.

Although I cannot explain the behavior of my GPS, I think you are
correct.  Since neither NTP nor the GPS system can "take care of it",
it appears to be up to software to figure it out.

Paul Allen

Paul Allen wrote:
Show quoteHide quote1977?  Seems a bit old for GPS.  I thought MINE was old...

Ron Hunter wrote:
Yup.  Should have typed "1997".  It's just a little more than twice as
old as my camera, to bring things back to topic.  :-)

Paul

"paul dot l dot allen at comcast dot net" writes:

I downloaded the Explorer manual from LEI's website.  On page 20, it
says:

    Set Local Time

    If the time shown on the clock display is not your
    local time, change it using the .Set Local Time.
    function. To do this, press the MENU key, then
    highlight the .Set Clock. label. Press the right arrow
    key. The screen at right appears.

    Using the right and left arrow keys, move the black
    box to the first number in the time that you want
    to change. Now press the up or down arrow keys
    until the desired number shows. Continue until the
    time shown in the display is correct, then press
    the ENT key. This enters the new time and erases
    the set local time menu.

That's how the receiver knows what time zone you are in.  Setting the
local time while the receiver is navigating (and thus knows current UTC)
tells it the timezone offset.  Once you set that, it will always use the
same offset - probably across cold restarts too.

On page 9 in the Initialization section it says to enter your local time
to help the process of acquiring satellites.  That wouldn't be useful
unless the receiver already had a local time offset, but not the correct
time (because it had been stored without batteries).

It knows the offset between UTC and local time because you (or someone
at the store, or someone at the factory) set the local time manually.
But if you took your unit, flew to a location in another time zone, and
then turned it on, it would show incorrect local time until you changed
it.

    Dave

Dave Martindale wrote:
Show quoteHide quoteNewer GPS receivers with basemaps can, and probably DO keep track of
local DST settings, but changing start and stop dates would require a
database update.  Best design is to ask the user for his DST offset, and
start and stop dates.  Still doesn't account for places like Indiana
where DST is a county-by-county option.....  Insane!  Your next door
neighbor may have a different time...

On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:50:04 -0800, Paul Allen <"paul dot l dot allen
at comcast dot net"> wrote:

Show quoteHide quote    It may have a general idea, as far as the US is concerned.

    Software and firmware can be updated as required. The GPS
system itself doesn't likely keep tabs on whether a given place is in
one of the hourly, half hourly or the few quarter hourly time zones. I
guess people in e.g. Indiana just have to put up with Windows making
the DST change for the whole state, not just the counties which
observe it.

Show quoteHide quote

Paul Allen wrote:
Show quoteHide quoteThe GPS system doesn't need to know about time zones. It is sychronized
to CUT (UTC). The GPS receiver adds the offset to displayed time to
reflect the local time where it is located.


Show quoteHide quote

In article <29idnY7_hcdpQPneRVn***@adelphia.com>, George
<george@nospam.invalid> writes
Not quite, it is synchronised to GPS time.

Not quite, it adds the offset to display UTC, you have to tell it what
additional offset to added so that it can display the time you require
(which need not be your local mean or summer time).

In article <48adnWSyoID46vneRVn***@comcast.com>, Paul Allen <"paul dot l
dot allen at comcast dot net"@?.?.invalid> writes
Not quite true, GPS transmits GPS time with the offset to UTC (I think
16 seconds so far), this is because GPS has never implemented
leap-seconds (imagine the effect of moving the position of the
satellites by one second). The GPS receivers usually can usually  have
an offset for local time entered, maybe some will take account local
time zone and DST from defined rules.

On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 05:00:12 GMT, Gary Edstrom <gedst***@pacbell.net>
wrote:

    Cellphones normally get their time directly off the network --
no intervention needed.

Show quoteHide quote

In article <7ek8m1dg6pt1hskd1jrh2np3612rvfg***@4ax.com>,
Gary Edstrom <gedst***@pacbell.net> wrote:

Show quoteHide quoteReally? You'd prefer sunrise at 4am and sunset at 4pm? Dumb and dumber!

Note: Courtesy copy of this followup sent to author via email.

On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:12:59 +0900, Stewy <anyone4ten***@hotmail.com>
wrote:

The point is that EVERY year I promise myself that I am NOT going to
post this reminder the following year, and EVERY year I ignore my own
advice and post it anyway.  I guess I'll never learn!

The ONLY purpose for posting this was as a friendly reminder to people
to adjust their camera clocks, something that is easy to forget.  I
didn't intend to start the whole stupid DST discussion over again.

But each year I get a slew private emails back telling me that I don't
need to adjust my cell phone time (Wrong!)...That I don't need to set a
time zone one my GPS (Wrong!)...That I should keep my camera on
GMT...That I should move to Arizona, etc.

Gary

Gary Edstrom <gedst***@pacbell.net> wrote in
Appreciated.  I had forgotten the DSLR as I wasted most of my "extra hour"
changing clocks, watches, answering machine, microwave, cat...

But in the spirit of the debate - we could save billions in heating, cooling
and lighting costs by simply setting our calendars and clocks ahead by six
months and twelve hours.  =)

Bob ^,,^

Gary Edstrom <gedst***@pacbell.net> wrote:

Show quoteHide quoteThanks for posting as I had completely forgotten my poor Canon!   :-)

I only had a few clocks and watches to change this year ... my alarm
clock automatically switches!

I use Linux and I have been using and modifying `s10sh` for awhile
now.  I actually have the utility configured that it checks the time
everytime I access the camera and if its out more than 10 min it
corrects the time in the camera auto-magically.  This was my first
opportunity to check this out since making the mod and I was surprised
when it worked!   :-)  (I had actually forgotten it was in there!)

Any way ... ignore the ODD responses and keep doing it!  Some of us
appreciate the reminder!

Show quote Hide quote Thanks a lot, I didn't even know that my digital camera had date and time
settings (Kodak CX 7300) I have it for more than a year so I forgot but how
does it keep that information when I change the batteries?I changed also my
alarm clock, my cell phone, time my computer did it for itself and my
camcorder also (Sony CCD-TR425E PAL)did it for itself also the VCR, the
boombox.

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On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 15:43:10 +0200, Dimitrios Tzortzakakis wrote:

  Cameras are no different than other devices (such as radios, mp3
players, etc.) that have internal clocks and volatile memory.  In
most cases when the main batteries are replaced, voltage is supplied
by a capacitor.  In a few cases, a small permanent rechargeable
battery is used instead.  The amount of time these can provide to
safely change the batteries varies considerably, ranging from just a
few seconds to more than a month, but it's uncommon to not have at
least several minutes.   Now you know enough to get your degree. :)

Stewy wrote:

going to do?

Sunrise eight hours before noon and sunset four hours after?

Local time, roughly speaking, defines noon as when the Sun is most
directly overhead. Sunrise and sunset are then approximately equally
far from noon.  (Earth's elliptical orbit makes the approximation
not-so-good.)

Definitely have a look at Luann (www.luannsroom.com) that wants to keep her
clock at daylight time and gain 2 hours of sleep...
Show quoteHide quote

Stewy <anyone4ten***@hotmail.com> writes:

If sunrise was 4AM, sunset would be 8 PM.  If sunset was 4 PM, sunrise
would be 8 AM.  Either way, you get equal hours of light before and
after noon.

The point of daylight savings time is to move sunrise/sunset one hour
earlier on the wall clock, so sunrise/sunset is 9 AM/5 PM or 8 AM/6 PM
or 7 AM/7 PM or 6 AM/8 PM or 5 AM/9 PM.

Basically, in the spring the hours of daylight before noon have been
increasing in step with the hours of daylight after noon.  Daylight
Savings time "swipes" one of the extra before-noon hours of daylight and
moves it to after noon.

Whether that's an advantage or not depends on your point of view.  It
causes schools, stores, and any business with posted hours to
automatically open and close an hour earlier with respect to the sun,
without having to post or remember new hours.

    Dave

1) DST is a fundamental waste of time, energy, and brings no real
benefits to a country that already consumes ~half of the world's energy
supplies.  Also, many other nations and even states do perfectly fine
w/o DST.

    Alternatives which are easy to do, yet would save a lot of energy:
    We could easily reduce the amount of oil wasted by simply putting
out a general ban on silly things, for example, SUVs for single drivers
who only go back and forth from work.  (Really, now... how many of those
SUV drivers really, really tow, carry 8 kids, etc.)  This is not to say
that nobody can own one, but rather, there should be a change in
thinking that says "If I don't need one, don't buy one.".
    The difference alone between a <15mpg SUV and a >30MPG sedan would
allow for a tremendous savings in energy alone.

    We could easily switch out the many incandescent lightbulbs for
fluorescents.

    Make sure all of our computers are set with power savings/sleep mode.

    Kindly turn off all unused lights.

    etc, etc.

2) DST does result in people getting into accidents and getting injured
due to the abrupt time change.  Definitely not worth the 1 hour change.

3) DST can easily be replaced by a) simply doing nothing for DST b)
moving the time 30 minutes in between and leaving it there permenantly
c) realizing that the fundamental savings from DST can be achieved by
many other sensible, less disruptive means.

---

Very similar to the 'mess' that's been created by certain individuals
with personal/political/etc bents in the IRS system, same goes for the
DST system.

If you think about it, a flat 20% or so tax on everyone and every
company in the USA would immediately eliminate all of the crazy
paperwork, scanning, double-checking, etc. resulting from the myriad of
1040/etc. forms and the tax code which goes volumes and thousands of
pages long.  Quick, easy, fair, and everyone would spend far less time
from their lives worrying and filling out more paperwork/busywork.

That's all DST comes down to - more useless busywork.

Show quote Hide quote Hey David,
I like that idea about moving the time a 1/2 hour inbetween and leaving it
there permanently.
It's a great example of compromise but when have we as a society really
shown the ability to compromise?
Most people like taking sides and leaning on one side or the other, i wish
we did learn to choose the CENTER more
and settle there and stop going back and forth on issues from the right to
the left!

AnthonyR.

In article <dk5kng$i2***@news.service.uci.edu>,
David Chien <chie***@uci.edu> wrote:

White man cut top off blanket, sew it on bottom to make blanket longer.

David Chien <chie***@uci.edu> wrote in news:dk5kng$i2q$1
@news.service.uci.edu:

In other words:  If you need to do it in daylight, do it in daylight.

In article <dk5kng$i2***@news.service.uci.edu>, David Chien <chie***@uci.edu> wrote:
Leave it to a liberal to worry about the so called energy costs involved. What
about the lives of all the school age kids who will be saved from being run
over by now not having to walk to school in the freaking dark.

Screw Kyoto, Screw the EU.


Who the f*ck are YOU to tell me what i can drive. Eric Cartman had it right
when he said "Democrats piss me off"


I agree with the turn off all unused lights. I cant stand it when people have
nearly all of their lights on in the house in the middle of the day instead of
openeing the freaking miniblinds.


It does not though come from some liberal thinking in my head , just common
sense.



Thousands of kids lives are saved yearly because of DST.

Show quoteHide quoteYou call taking 20% of my hard earned money fair? Who ya going to give it to,
some fat bitch welfare mother who keeps popping out bastards to get bigger
welfare checks?

"GMAN" wrote ...
And leave it to a neo-"progressive" to completely forget
that DST was instituted during WW2 to *SAVE* money and
resources.  (If they even studied real history in school.)

And of course, Mr. Chien also appears to dwell much closer
to the equator where he does not percieve the benefits to those
in more northern latitudes.

Richard Crowley wrote:
Show quoteHide quoteOh?  Try explaining the benefits of DST to those in Nome, Alaska.

In article <dk9i2k$d9***@news.xmission.com>, GMAN
<glenz***@xmission.com> wrote:

Yeah baby! Go!

Show quote Hide quote In cases like that, up North wouldn't it be easier for school districts to
change the start of school time to an hour later, than changing everyone
else's clocks?

On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 05:13:25 GMT, glenz***@xmission.com (GMAN) wrote:

    Cite statistics for this lunatic reasoning.

    No -- screw you.

    So you fiond your political mentors on South Park. What a
politically sophisticated person are you.


Show quoteHide quote    Well, that's certainly reason enough for me to change my
behavior. We should all accept the reasons you consider valid and shun
the ones you don't agree with.

    Gleaned from the hours you've spent watching South Park?

    Cite.


Show quoteHide quote    No -- to a f*cking narrow-minded bigot piece of sh*t who lives
at your address. You'll find him in front of the TV syudying civics by
watching South Park.

ka***@sonic.net wrote in
Show quoteHide quoteah yeah gday 3
+++

where are th f*ckin words?

+++
gorillaz
'dare'
+++

you can be sit down now

+++


hey paulie
bush is touting
religious freedom in china

"i thought it was their policy to encourage it anywhere"

+++


it's all good

+++


kuta's a cool religion


+++


will th
international court
have a bite at

singapore
for
it's death penalty

and how does that effect

aboriginal traditional law


we still have th death penalty

+++


"licensed to kill"
stop it

+++


"i'm a black cop"
"traditional"

+++

go boldly paulie

'f*ckem"

+++
kanye west
'golddigger'
+++

we've had a good week


we won th soccer game

get to go to th world cup

won th rugby

libby put in another world record

in th pool


and our
ecstacy poppin model


got deported from indonesia yesterday

+++


"oh um"
"they had another quake"

didnt do any damage did it ?
"no just soiled some clothes"

+++


hmm

+++


december 2

they have down to hang him paulie

+++

"it's an awful large amount of street doses of heroin"

he's young and silly

+++
pj harvey
'working for the man'
+++

oh

+++


he gave th man

some info


about further up th chain

coughed up his guts



hmm

if ya did let him go

th underworld would

fill th contract anyway

"think his mum wants him"


"safe behind bars"


+++

"is there such a thing ?"

+++

dont think they;d
just stretch his neck

probly chop some toes off
and assorted body parts and feed em to im

+++

paulei
"hmm"

+++

"i'm not fond of smack"

this isnt about your views

this is about australian's views

+++


"look"
"i said"

"it's dangerous to yur health"
"to kill any australian"

"very rare"
"aboriginal law steps in"

"christopher skase was an exception"


he wouldnt come back to home country and face justice

+++
the geraldine fibbers
'dragon lady'
+++

whole country was convinced
he feigning his illness

seemed remarkably healthy
when th tv crews found im

+++


i pointed th bone at im
he died of his illness
seven days later

karma
<<<smiel >>>

+++


th boys i was singin with last night
didnt know

who'd won th rugby
i kept my mouth shut


+++


no that i knew
you know


but singin with some big
maori boys

and very other kiwi who passes
drops money in

on th basis

+++

the kadaictha man of australia

says little

in th street

+++


ask mika where comes from
and he answers

redcliffe
my kind of australian

+++


if home is
across th water

then f*ck off

+++
pj harvey
'i think i'm a mother'
+++


was morticia's excuse paulie
got half australian kids

+++


"hmmm"


+++

ya ever gunna become a naturalized australian ?

then why are ya here ?

+++

i love my

new zealand neighbours

just dont agree with everything they say

+++


worked with enough maoris

i know


th first greeting is always aggressive

doesnt mean anything


is just talk

+++

our new found mouthy friend

on th bus seat jess

not been here long has he ?

+++
Mu
'jealous kids'
+++


ok morticia
my maori princess

head witch of the gold coast and
really magic woman

if yur all over here
to make money

how many intend goin home later ?
i never meet them

+++


and not like

ya funnel money back

like th islanders do

+++


benny is off to NZ
for xmas

"i heard"

+++

we dont want him
goin to live in NZ permanent
too smart

we educated him

+++

i love australian schools

th kids have a different agenda

to th teachers

+++

i dont say much
when i'm singing int h street

being a background singer

i spend most of my time




listening


"even if i am"

"singing"

+++
preset studio keepers
'solsbury hill'(DUR)
+++

it's not very nice
i know

not to introduce myself properly
to my audience

sittin at th bus stop seat

+++

i'm th wizard
and i'm black


and th cops dont
tell me what to do


ride my unicycle
wrong way up th road

tellin off th cabbies



slow down comin out of th tunnel

i got ppl on th street



a huge night



i got no lights on th unicycle and yes bitch

i am prepared to tell you to get f*cked



no car has taken me out yet
go and complain

they wont do anything

+++

"<<<smiel >>>"

+++

yes it is my unicycle

sittin right behind me


cause some f*ckwiot
tried to take off with it

last week whiel was singin

usin it as a backrest

and sittin on th towel


in a yoga position

+++
will smith
'switch'
+++


why should i do you a trick dude ?

unicycle slides not good enough for you ?


you missed em ?

so


i dont do it for money

+++

sorry i didnt introduce myself

i'm th lethal kadaitcha man of australia

pleased to meet you

+++

i was singin with rock spider

another part black


and this guy said

you guys gunna be here later ?


rock spider said yes


me ?

i'm everywhere

+++
tatu
'all the things you said'
+++

i dont comment

+++

and i dont read it
i follow popular opinion

+++


watch every tv station
read th paper and

watch world news

+++

no

iq 80
anything

tells me what to do
or votes

for me

+++


my job description is

my description

+++

if i'm in a good mood

i'm the wizard of aus


ya dig ?


i'm half white

+++

when we did
black magic woman

mika's new version
i went up to

jewel's vocal range

+++
deadstar
'deeper water'
+++

i dunno mouthy boy

if my singin was
costin em money


you think they'd buy me
coffee

and paulie
can ya pls sit in my chair

while i go buy em
and hand me th drum

give us those
live heartbeats paulie

<<< smiel >>>

+++

i'm not a maori
or a kiwi

watch yur f*ckin mouth

+++

backpedalled a bit didnt ya

when jewel started singin


to mika's guitar

mika ya f*ckhead


it's pitched too high

six chicks just did


a double take

and took up positions


within fourty feet

ok smart arse


you know so much about what we're doing

how many of those chicks


came back and threw in th hat

+++
david byrne
'like humans do'(radio edit)
+++

there's always at least one f*ckwit
who wanders up and


makes a comment
while yur singin in th street


i wouldnt sing nice for you
in a pink fit


and you know so much
better than we do


not liek we dont pull
fifty dollar notes when


th younger crowd isnt in town

+++


th buskers dont money from th party crowd
ya get more abuse

ya have more fun
but ya dont make more money

from th bigger crowd

+++


we knew you were comin
it's traditional

whether you know it or not
they dont want toolies in

surfers paradise
during schoolies

and lock up everything
that moves

we all come to play last night
but umm


not real serious

+++
kevin bloody wilson
'stack the fridge'
+++

do you know
what th buskers talk about


when you
th f*ckhead with th big mouth

wanders on

+++


i was on rock spiders drum
and this chick jsut

i aint got any money for you so



she stuck her pussy in my face
and


like this close
and


dirty dancing

spinning



out there

rock spider blown away


you never seen it that blatant man ?

didnt say that though


kept quiet and

man that is amazing

+++
city high
'three way'
+++

got on this thing with
matt

i was just vocals

theo bringin in
some bongos for me

to cart
mine are f*cked

so i can riffle behind
matt nd theo nd

anyoen else a drum shy


rock spider only brought oen last night

lost half our repertoire


mat and i

man


he into that wind instrument and

and we got
recorded beats

drummachien

backing track


i've gone left field

singin up with th flute


and jammin

acapella beats into

th beats




while six chicks
squidge in front of the kombi

that was fun
gotta roll


+++
blood sweat and tears
'spinning wheel'
+++


eunice the unique unicycle
i'm payin bad today dear

th heat rash from so many
insane kilometres on th wheel


me and th nephew
wamr today

we goin swimmin at redcliffe lagoon ?
"umm"

"i had an awesome ride last night"
"got in at dawn"


"little brother got up"

"oh hi"


"i'll get ya to do th lawn tomorrow"


"ya have a good time ?"



"told some tales and"

"i got a six inch slide"


"on concrete and"

"rode off it"



"f*ck man"




"got a huge grin and"

"they rebuildin th landie today anyway"

+++
hanson
'if only'
+++

you sayin it
still wont be goin ?

+++

"yur usin th wrong fuel it;s a diesel"
i dont get that

"gotta pour it over th bonnet and light it"
oh ok

+++

robbie bopped thru

to commentate


mostly

to keep th big fella company


layin under th truck

talkin muscle cars


we pushed th xbou into th street
nephew drove it out

he cryin
she goin on a tilt tray tomorrow or

day after


xd comin tonight

+++
tenacious d
'freindship test'
+++

its an ex cop car

let em use it for

a
demolition derby


attitude boy




my xf

falcon is


on th grass



watin for th xd to come in


he's late

+++

mat picked it

i drive a falcon

+++

he drivin

same model kombi

we toured europe in

+++
shakespears sister
'i dont care'
+++

i do

+++

i got fair into this guy
one night

are you jokin man

he's a muso


forget th backing track

he's alone



look what he's playing

better still



listen

+++


f*ckwit

+++


all th guitarists are


cartin pig amps with batteries


to amplify their sound

+++


i need a microphone to go there mika


to go that high

i have to drop


volume

+++


jess can hear it

you can just hear it


and th bus stop can hear it

but five minutes ago


ppl fifty feet that way could here it

+++


we dropped it but
played with it for a while first

we all got quiet
<<<smiel >>>

+++

if i pull th trumpet sound first

easier after playin with rock spider and his trumpet


and slide into th note

it's there

+++


hey jarrod
you doen for th night ?

+++
city high
'city high anthem'
+++

thinkin about it
yur gig

does make more sense in th valley

+++


i was watchin some of yr audience
when i brought back those hot chocolates for us


buskers gettin thin
in brisbane city

+++

<<< Smiel >>>

+++


look
i do th city for

a couple of hours
and just ride


then go down
the fortitude valley

to ride and
drum and

sing

+++


havin an argument with th council

+++

not unusual

was th gold coast council

before th sh*tty council

+++

my religion f*ckwit

you deaf ?

+++

i'm an aboriginal elder
accepted by my ppl

in th street
and a magic man

+++
machine gun fellatio
'take it slow'
+++


we're patient


+++

sang for a bit with brother julian

he had centre mall


first in

best dressed



led zeppelin and metallica

and a few others


+++

said hi to bradley
didnt stop on th couch

i'm sorry
you were eggin me on

and yur mate missin
they go apesh*t

up on th balcony

when i criss cross th center divide
and


go wherever i f*ckin pls

+++

they've stopped
tryin to tell me not

to do what i do

+++

bout as bad it gets is

a whispersed shot at me

for not wearin a shirt
and singin liek a girl


should cover my boobs






i've got a beard

+++

i cant help it i'm a chameleon

+++
jewel
'everybody needs somebody sometime'
+++

got new batteries yesterday
as i said

my normal brand
out of stcok

cheapies for th little radio

new ones are



two dollar packs of

Four AAA


Camelion


Super Heavy Duty

batteries



i liek it

+++

scuse i

..
..
..


+++


cottee's
is about th smartest guy i've met


sat there at th table
not knowin he knew me at th time


and commented
this man

open as he is
doesnt reveal himself

+++

course

at that party

i could nt catch a ball or

bat

in th backyard cricket

and th next oen

two weeks later


i was th opening bowler

bowling leg spinners



and others


and they had difficulty getting me out

while i was batting

+++
robin trower
'night'
+++

jenny came to th first party
yackin to th girls
f*ck off

"paulei came to th second party"
"yackin to anything that'll listen"
"f*ck off"

+++
queen
'i want to ride my bicycle'
+++

was a funny way to introduce me robbie

he wasnt overly impressed


so umm

in th car on th way home


did ya tell him why you call me
god


to my face

+++

it's just godhead
get over it
<<<smiel>>>
+++


robbie sung out

th net still connected ?


yeh man

so far


f*cked if i know why

<<<smiel >>>


love ya dude

+++

he rides th unicycle
doesnt have enough

cachet
wizard of the fortitude valley


pls

+++

or get official

+++
nirvana
'lake of fire'
+++


god and th devil are
minor unbalanced deities

+++


and white man's invention
we got a lot older culture

+++

hmmm


on sbs telly

they diggin up bones


+++


so umm

have ya dug up our boats yet


from th inland sea

of gondwanaland


+++


interesting


+++



you got some things to find out yet

+++
M2M
'dont say you love me'
+++

ok mika
my style is

a little liek yours

i like th slap board just

not prepared to



beat your beautiful instrument

they always handin me guitars


when we move things around

i hold em like they;re

precious




they sing with me

+++



i wish she'd stop crying

i close my eyes to listen to th guitar

and get a harmonic that


sings

open em up
to watch th smile in mika's eyes


and

jess


comes in and



i retreat again


to find somethin

either mdidle or


one way or th other

so many sounds


+++
butthole surfers
'pepper'
+++


and this girl is
squeeling

her boyfriend in th can
not only broadcasting

aurally
i can hear er

over both amplified guitars

th drum in my hand

and my own

singin voice


just gone lead


i can hear th

quaver


in my



tone



as it searches for a harmonic

to accomodate your noise


a while later



they let im out



and she happy as a pig in sh*t


+++

ah you know me

i sang for another fitteen mintues
till it a bit too much and


went and sang with matt for a while

+++


had three girls
cryin in th mall


in th five sessions we did

+++

one girl


she got within



fifteen feet of us playin


just cryin softly


as she walked by



and th music


stopped





you know how it all

stops at once


+++
mike oldfield
'tubular bells pt 2'
+++

mika doin this new piece

got all these


silent gaps


they want th heartbeat drum

in th action


here paulei
get on it

are ya ready ?


we never over ran

one of th silenbces

all three


sorry


four

instruments


stopped as one



think we did three versions

durin th course


ok telly


first was th best
and th freshest

my opinion anyway


th last one but

clip th mistakes and


th happy mistakes were


outstanding
+++

timeout:

+++

hey god
how ya goin ?

"cool as"
"how about you ?"

+++

personally

i think gravity is


th attractant  electrical forces

and nothing more

+++


works instananeously

+++


umm
watch out for th electron bomb

it's th next quantam leap


+++

th universe is
strange indeed

th smaller you break things

th more power
is unleashed


and it goes down forever

+++

god does not play with dice

with th universe

+++

yes god does

+++

everything is about

opposites

+++

the true randomness
of an infinite universe
equals god

it aint a being

+++

there is more power
in a single atom

than humanity can use
throughout all our history

and our future

+++

the theory of everything

+++

in an infinite universe
all it's component parts

must be
infinitely small


i.e.



nothing

+++

everything equals nothing

+++


nothing equals everything

th smaller we crack th components


th more power we

discharge

+++

being infinitely small

is no more mind boggling

than being infinitely large

+++

ya have sub atomic particles

once upon a time


the atom was th smallest

thing anywhere

+++

funny th things we believe

+++


they call me talker to things

i dont like it

when i talk to something
and it doesnt talk back

i looked inside and saw





nothing

+++


course
i said it was a dot

but it's a hollow dot
got as many shells as

you wanna look for

what magic will we find

in th next level ?


goin deeper
inside reality

+++


th atom brought us


peaceful and other

purposes


huge power from

such a tiny thing

+++


dramatic impact



a logo on th tv


my television suggests to me


thank you god

+++
1200 techniques
'karma'
+++


windows media player
is pickin th msuic

important to me
i know th truth

+++

i write enough of it

before it happens

+++

so if i


point th bone of death at dr death and

my religion is kuta


and twelve days later

th cops blow away


dr azahari

bomb maker of kuta beach


i rejoice


+++


maybe i'm just psychic

+++

and know how th world
is

put together

+++

wotever is
the secret of th universe

it's gotta be
simple

+++


and every being that

finally gets it goes


ah f*ck

i coulda said that

+++


remember i got

unlimited ammunition


lethal kadaitcha man

+++
robbie williams and nicole kidman
'somethin stupid'
+++


look nickie
stop


+++

unfair

+++


says i'm th wizard of aus and i should

extend my hand and

smile


+++


"can i just say ?"
over my dead body

+++

"beehave yurself jennifer"

+++


bein polite

he should know

+++
dusty springfield
'goin back'
+++


"it reads weird jenny"

the days when i was young enough to know th truth - lyric


"ok i'll shutup now"

+++


yur such a child paulie

"we're a neotenous species"

"give us a break"
"we're still on one planet"

will you take th other species ?

"to th stars ? "


yes


"yes"



"we've had this conversation"

"we understand symbiosis"


+++
?
'track 3'
+++
smashing pumpkins
'1979'
+++

we had kuta bee nests in th

bananas

+++

surrounded by th swarm
of native stingless bees

six acres of bananas
surrounding th house


in th volcano of
kuta

+++


1979



i feed th wild pigs
in th pens

th cows
horse

ducks
chickens

snakes

rats

mice and other life

living on our farm


+++


why ya wanna kill my rats ?

they harm you ?



they love th session room
and when they get really stoned

they fall off th rafters and

land in th beanbag and


relax for a bit


till they come to and


ah f*ck

i'm with th humans



and walks out of th room


too stoend to run

+++
basement jaxx
'where's your head at'
+++


take two

sorry i slipped away




i didn t believe




you had gone to bed


your bed
your telly


same rules we grew up with


dont get caught

+++

it was a basement


in th laundry

i dunno


just wanted my lounge room in th laundry


th truly weird thing is


i didnt smoek pot at th time

only my friends did


and i'd sit near th door


+++


laughin at everythin

+++

hey dallas

ya should meet my current lesbian friend


ah wait
she's f*ckin a  guy


when she comes to her senses

"alright jennifer"


it's all balance

"you talk more than me"

+++


well...


+++
the offspring
'walla walla'
+++

it's gotta be
really f*ckin simple

to confuse
so many ppl

+++


world of opposites



harry potter's not real

and got no real magic


not even a potter


i am real

a wizard

make pottery whistles like

th one hangin around my neck
ocarinas and


i dont have any money

if i dont get that sub
i dont smoke ciggies tomorrow


i draw th line somewhere

+++
icehouse (with chrissie amphlett)
'love in motion'
+++


"give it up jenny"
"ya f*cked th voice last night"

"i be talkin funny for days"

said i was replete just


i wanna fly

+++

gotta move th xf


th real world


never entirely goes away



here


suck down a  cone whiel i'm gone


a bong dickhead




[shakes head and f*cks off]

+++

it's a crazy world of opposites we live in
i'm just an idiot on a unicycle


just ask some f*ckhead
in th street


hang on
dont ask

he'll say it anyway

+++


the theory of everything

+++


first principal of


engineering is


KISS



K eep

I t

S imple

S tupid

+++

everything
is about balance

if this physical reality

has infinity

on that side of th line


has to be balanced by

infinity

this side of th line


+++
tool
'hooker with a penis'
+++

do ya listen to th lyrics ?
<<<smiel >>>


we play games in th street with
do ya listen to th lyrics ?

+++



i do things my way
frequently

the wrong way
ya dont find

th keys to th universe
by following f*cking rules

+++


i am the lethal kadaitcha man

called the land surfer


pronounced

as always


the kadaitcha man of australia


and i am

licensed to kill

+++
pj harvey
'down by the water'
+++


karma says ya gotta deserve it

it's gotta pass

god's inspection


everything
everywhere
everywhen

ya cant beat karma


it is god

+++

five years
as an unpaid

street entertainer
karma and i are

very good friends

+++

ya have to know how th world works
and be bold


and not afraid to experiment
i surf on my unicycle in th surf


but i can do most things



<<<smiel >>>

+++
coldplay
'speed of sound'
+++


how do we break th speed of light ?

gravity has already done that

+++


we love to name things
we dont understand

give it a label and
move on

+++

like th bear in th himalayas


th english

thought there were three species



th germans found

there was only one

+++

after th earthquake in aceh

th indonesians and th


aceh ppl

came to some agreement


now they touting that


india and pakistan
have actually opened th inner border of

another country

+++

my nepalese friend

you were very cut at me



kashmir will rise

again


from th rubble

which is to your good

+++
neil young
'the needle and the damage done'
+++


now will ya shut th f*ck up robbie plant ?


+++


i stuffed
stairway to heaven over
hotel california

why dont ya go listen to th original


poor bastards ya


killem with yur


pls play it again

pls play it again

+++
kristin hersh and michael stipe
'your ghost'
+++


ya give them a hard enough time
replicate what ya did

oen afternoon

f*cked out of yur mind and


man th top shelf pussy


f*ck i was never so inspired



wot i call verve


+++


we never play th same song twice and
thats; th way it;s been for

thousands of years of human history
before some bugger decided to record it

and sell it

+++

and th f*ckin copppers

pour out our drink


in the fortitude valley

while a man is singin to his ppl


cause it got alcohol in it

+++

thousands of years

th walking crowd would

throw th minstrel a  drink


one guy last night

+++
pink floyd

'pigs on the wing'(pt 1)
+++


are we over regulated

or what ?


+++

street's full of drunks

we're keepin em peaceful


stayed away from our wilder stuff and

playin elevator music
with edge



to keeep th oversize crowd



tame

+++
moby
'porcelain'
+++


ya dumb pig c**ts


+++


"they study mob psychology jennifer"
so do we

+++


we kept th tone

mellow and i


avoided th lower register

sang liek a chick most of th night


watch that ya
dont judge me by that

sweet black honey drippin singin voice
under th

mass of ringlets and curls

every muscle defined and



toned

i've had


four hours

ridin th 24 inch unicycle


amazed

thousands


i am everywhere

and singin on most of th street corners


i'm there

even when i'm not there

+++

and sittin in th car havin a joint
and another bourbon

+++
george
'rain'
+++

ninety five percent plus

i'm back in th car
i fit's gunna rain

unless i'm lookin forward to it

ride down th centre of

th widest city street

bout midnight

arms held out



looking up


flying between th buildings



th legs just


goin roudn by themselves



on atuomatic

knwo they;re down there somewhere


stopped thinkin about it

a long time ago

intrigued by


flying thru th buildings




[police siren]



ah yeah gday




yeah man



my helmet ?


i 'll get a light

seem to have forgotten it


"i dont need it"

"comfortable ridin with my eyes closed"

<<<smile >>>


+++

we havent done th back street for a while

"so down th centre of th road"
"Whiel we were runnin th light last night"
"Wasnt hard enough for you jennifer ?"

i was thinkin of

gettin pulled

gravity

from th cars

and especially that truck



"you have to turn sight off to feel it"

+++
radiohead
'karma police'
+++


ok this is th karma cops


this kadaitcha man wants


dr death rubbed



dont give me th details

just do it



wot's this twelve days sh*t ?


my contracts go out
in seven days


i'm readin

dr azahari's death notic ein th papr

twelve days later


i'm not f*cking impressed



how are my clients going to feel ?


when ya mess it up - lyric


dont give me this sh*t i


mentioned there were

two dr deaths

immediately after i


pointed th boen of death

and started singin



its not f*ckin good enough



next c**t i want whacked

you
do im

on th f*ckin day



none of this i was confused sh*t


oif you were that f*ckin confused

why didnt ya whack



dr death from th bundaberg


hospital

+++
?
'CWMFilm'
+++


nicole kidman

'come what may'

+++

i'm not impressed
i dig


our religion is kuta
and this dr death


way sweeter a kill
we're jack of these f*ckin killer doctors

hiding
in th system

+++

it was a damning report

+++

i landed in th bundaberg hospital with multiple

wasp stings

+++


they did me a favour though

i'm not allergic to bees anymore

not as bad anyway


+++


our bees dont have stings

+++
do re mi
'warnings moving clockwise'
+++

if th heart of everything is

nothing


wot is reality ?



wot is a solipsist bible ?

+++

not every word
in a  solipsist bible

is true
it mirrors th world

+++

but to see truth
to see forward and gain

truth from th future

you have to give



truth in th present

and be truthful about your past



only by sharing




will humanity


join

+++


if a hostile alien
was comin at th earth

+++
nirvana
'something in the way'
+++


the religion of kuta broadcasts

to th known and unknown universe


i got bigger concerns than you puppies

+++


we're armed
and we're dangerous
and this is how we conduct our affairs

we may be
petri dish scum
but we wont stay that way

if you get this signal
somewhere out there
in th void


then you've received my other signals
we will not tolerate interference
from outside

in our affairs

+++
arlo guthrie
'now and then'
+++


hello again - lyric

first words in song


+++


comin after you alcor

i know yr there

+++


i know yur gunna be a f*ckin problem

+++


i am not coppin a fine

ya can get f*cked


we break

the rules of th universe


i dont obey yours

+++
dire straights
'money for nothing'
+++

besides which

th last cop psychologist


to have a wee chat

was not convinced you could


incarcerate me

my savages testicles



beyond medical comprehension


a get out of jail free card

i get blue balls

"aching testicles"
"make sense for a wizard to have a curse"


every day


worse if i talk to you
if yr a girl


but i'm not a savage



so i


ride my unicycle for a coupel of hours and

all comfortably numb

and kinda heat rashed


that and  a coupel of cones of marijuana


and i sit int h street

and happily



make music to pretty girls




what did you see

last night


in th fortitude valley mall

riding a unicycle and singing


clad only in a  pair of jeans




<<<smile >>>


dont judge a book by it's cover

it might be infinite...

..
..
..


jenny

and

"paulei"

's


diary





shut ya stupid f*ckin thing

'talk to it nice"
"it's magic"

close says a me

+++++++++++++++

p.s.

was off

i got my sub

i can smoke tomorrow


+++


whiel i was doin that


thought i'd eyeball alcor

she's in th sky

where i call

the three sisters




sure enough


i turn straight to er in th sky

wherever she is




and a meteor goes past

ten seconds into my eyeballs can




figure i;ve got

one evil eye

and

one good eye


i'm a black tracker



a shooting star

goes hurtling past th three sisters




hmm
a sign

+++


ok


+++

my crystal blue
balls


tell me to
be wary of you


i trust them


+++

kuta lady is home again
next door


screaming goin on
shutup chrissie

oh
sorry

we affect her bad paulie
"i know"

+++

you named me

kuta man before the kuta beach bombings



i'm psychic

but i dont see everything


one of it's drawbacks

and it's saviours


none of us really saw

what calling me that name would


do

+++
pj harvey
'working for the man'
+++


if i chop off th nuts
and become jennifer

liek th good doctor in
bundaberg suggested


i'll lose my
sensitivity


i cant expect
that th female of our species

will look after me
i better find other ways

bein honest with them
was a complete waste of time

+++


last resort is of course
electro ejaculation



my blue balls can kill me
have done several times

pain shock


who gives a f*ck



i got a unicycle

and marijuana


and half a brain


"i got th other half"



we'll make it




i ejaculate
therefore i am

..
..

the land surfer

+++
led zeppelin
'the rain song'

Dave Martindale wrote:
Show quoteHide quoteAnd causes great physical discomfort for those of us with nice regular
body clocks....

Stewy wrote:
It really seems that any supposed benefits from DST could be achieved
just as readily by permanently changing business or school start times
by an hour. Then you could have these alleged benefits all year 'round!

Even so, the benefits are highly questionable. School children in
Seattle still go to school largely in the dark and they come home in
the dark, too. No one seems to be running over kids in Arizona or
Indiana in any greater numbers than anywhere else. Electricity usage
does not seem to vary much, either, between places that use DST and
those that do not.

DST costs far more than it is worth. I would not be surprised if it
actually kills people who are rushing around trying to correct mistakes
in their schedule. Personally, if I had my way, we would all just use
UTC and be done with it. Pilots do that anyway and it does not cause
any pwoblems. I have not notized anee efects fum slep dep depri
dpreviash lak of slep asci88h3haldkmcn

Gary Edstrom wrote:
Really we should convince the camera makers to get this right. Set time
and timezone separately; use UTC (also known as "GMT" or "Zulu-time")
for timestamps, and optionally also record the timezone at the source.

Nope, they are all set to local Philippines time. :-)

In article <7ek8m1dg6pt1hskd1jrh2np3612rvfg***@4ax.com>,
gedst***@pacbell.net says...
  Also some remote controls. Some routers if you use logging and they
don't auto-correct (my old D-Link required manually entering the
month/week when DT and ST started and ended!

  My VCR, which is configured to auto-set, changed to CST a week ago!!!
Luckily, I rarely use it as I have a Comcast DCT-6412 DVR now.

  My computer-connected multi-function fax updated itself when the
computer booted up and connected to it.

  One of my 'atomic' clocks didn't adjust until sometime in the evening.

On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:58:44 -0600, Andrew Rossmann
<andysnewsreply@no_junk.comcast.net> wrote:


    Because most of them only correct once a day, not
continuously.

On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:51:48 GMT, ka***@sonic.net wrote:

  Mine checks for a radio update four times daily.  As it's a small
battery powered clock I sometimes disable the auto-update feature.
I have an older, stupider line powered clock.  After a power failure
it will again get the correct time, but for the wrong time location
since the time zone is stored in volatile memory.

ASAAR wrote:
Mine corrects between midnight and 1AM.  Often enough for me.

In article <aqofm19uenee08kp1kpdkhj466vhlt5***@4ax.com>, ka***@sonic.net
writes
Most of mine check every hour, one mains powered clock blanks the
display and checks at midnight repeating hourly a few times if it fails.
My wristwatches check hourly from midnight to 4 or 5 am.

<ka***@sonic.net> wrote in message
My atomic clock doesn't work at all, as automatic and didn't even adjust for
dst either.
Is that in the signal or just in it's programming adjusted by calendar?

In article <pouaf.15$ek6***@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>,
nomail@nospam.com says...
Show quoteHide quote  A few links:
http://webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/
http://tf.nist.gov/general/pdf/1383.pdf
  According to the .PDF (page 21), a DST flag is transmitted on bits 57
and 58 of the digital signal.

Show quote Hide quote Thanks Andrew,
I guess I don't get the signal at all cause I am near a metal bridge, so
they say.
And I didn't know the DST signal was also broadcast i thought it was in the
internal rom run by calendar.
Thanks,
AnthonyR.

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