"Kevin Harper" <kdhar***@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "John F. Miller" <johnATenosoft.net> wrote in message
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> > http://www.enosoft.net
> >
>
> To test what?  Your website gives no information about beta testing
> whatsoever with the exception of an email address.
>
> Kevin the Lurker
>
>
>

>
> John.
>
> "Kevin Harper" <kdhar***@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> "John F. Miller" <johnATenosoft.net> wrote in message
>> news:11lf8hs1umbbhc5@corp.supernews.com...
>> > http://www.enosoft.net
>> >
>>
>> To test what?  Your website gives no information about beta testing
>> whatsoever with the exception of an email address.
>>
>> Kevin the Lurker
>>
>>
>>
>
>

"PTravel" <ptravel88-use***@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "John F. Miller" <johnATenosoft.net> wrote in message
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> > "Enosoft is currently seeking beta software testers for a variety of
> > utilities for DV-based video editing on Microsoft® Windows® XP
platforms.
> >
> > For more information, contact b***@enosoft.net."
> >
> > The reason the information is sparse is to protect
> > confidentiality/intellectual property.  Details will be provided subject
> > to
> > acceptance of a non-disclosure agreement.  This is normal practice.
>
> No one in their right mind should sign an NDA without knowing the subject
> matter.
>
>
> >
> > John.
> >
> > "Kevin Harper" <kdhar***@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:EVO5f.133149$G8.124733@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> >> "John F. Miller" <johnATenosoft.net> wrote in message
> >> news:11lf8hs1umbbhc5@corp.supernews.com...
> >> > http://www.enosoft.net
> >> >
> >>
> >> To test what?  Your website gives no information about beta testing
> >> whatsoever with the exception of an email address.
> >>
> >> Kevin the Lurker
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

>
> "PTravel" <ptravel88-use***@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "John F. Miller" <johnATenosoft.net> wrote in message
>> news:11lfghikrguv388@corp.supernews.com...
>> > "Enosoft is currently seeking beta software testers for a variety of
>> > utilities for DV-based video editing on Microsoft® Windows® XP
> platforms.
>> >
>> > For more information, contact b***@enosoft.net."
>> >
>> > The reason the information is sparse is to protect
>> > confidentiality/intellectual property.  Details will be provided
>> > subject
>> > to
>> > acceptance of a non-disclosure agreement.  This is normal practice.
>>
>> No one in their right mind should sign an NDA without knowing the subject
>> matter.
>>
>>
>> >
>> > John.
>> >
>> > "Kevin Harper" <kdhar***@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>> > news:EVO5f.133149$G8.124733@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> >> "John F. Miller" <johnATenosoft.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:11lf8hs1umbbhc5@corp.supernews.com...
>> >> > http://www.enosoft.net
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> To test what?  Your website gives no information about beta testing
>> >> whatsoever with the exception of an email address.
>> >>
>> >> Kevin the Lurker
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

"Jona Vark" <noem***@all.com> wrote in message
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> "John F. Miller" <johnATenosoft.net> wrote in message
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> > Any self-respecting NDA will describe the subject matter.
>
> self - respecting NDA?
>
> John.. between the lame OP and this.. I think you might need more than
> beta - testers.
>
> Did you just want us to look around your site?
>
>

"John F. Miller" <johnATenosoft.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Jona Vark" <noem***@all.com> wrote in message
> news:e8U5f.4740$BZ5.734@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
> >
> > "John F. Miller" <johnATenosoft.net> wrote in message
> > news:11lg02qgtdda5c0@corp.supernews.com...
> > > Any self-respecting NDA will describe the subject matter.
> >
> > self - respecting NDA?
> >
> > John.. between the lame OP and this.. I think you might need more than
> > beta - testers.
> >
> > Did you just want us to look around your site?
> >
> >
>
> Not at all - I wanted to keep my OP as short as possible, that's all.  Why
> fill the NG with stuff that needn't be there?

"Jona Vark" <noem***@all.com> wrote in message
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> "John F. Miller" <johnATenosoft.net> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Jona Vark" <noem***@all.com> wrote in message
> > news:e8U5f.4740$BZ5.734@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
> > >
> > > "John F. Miller" <johnATenosoft.net> wrote in message
> > > news:11lg02qgtdda5c0@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > Any self-respecting NDA will describe the subject matter.
> > >
> > > self - respecting NDA?
> > >
> > > John.. between the lame OP and this.. I think you might need more than
> > > beta - testers.
> > >
> > > Did you just want us to look around your site?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Not at all - I wanted to keep my OP as short as possible, that's all.
Why
> > fill the NG with stuff that needn't be there?
>
> To spare us having to look around your entire site?..
>
>

"John F. Miller" <johnATenosoft.net> wrote in message
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> "Jona Vark" <noem***@all.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > "John F. Miller" <johnATenosoft.net> wrote in message
> > news:11lg4i34hehpceb@corp.supernews.com...
> > >
> > > "Jona Vark" <noem***@all.com> wrote in message
> > > news:e8U5f.4740$BZ5.734@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
> > > >
> > > > "John F. Miller" <johnATenosoft.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:11lg02qgtdda5c0@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > > Any self-respecting NDA will describe the subject matter.
> > > >
> > > > self - respecting NDA?
> > > >
> > > > John.. between the lame OP and this.. I think you might need more
than
> > > > beta - testers.
> > > >
> > > > Did you just want us to look around your site?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Not at all - I wanted to keep my OP as short as possible, that's all.
> Why
> > > fill the NG with stuff that needn't be there?
> >
> > To spare us having to look around your entire site?..
> >
> >
> What, all three pages?  All it would have taken is one click in the OP,
then
> a click on the email link.  Certainly a lot less time and effort than has
> been wasted here.
>
> EOD

>
>

> These days anyone who loads any executable on their machine(s) sourced
> from an unknown company must have a death wish. It's too easy to slip in
> a key-logger (or worse) amongst the code.
> --
> Tony Morgan
> http://www.camcord.info

>
>"Jona Vark" <noem***@all.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "John F. Miller" <johnATenosoft.net> wrote in message
>> news:11lg02qgtdda5c0@corp.supernews.com...
>> > Any self-respecting NDA will describe the subject matter.
>>
>> self - respecting NDA?
>>
>> John.. between the lame OP and this.. I think you might need more than
>> beta - testers.
>>
>> Did you just want us to look around your site?
>>
>>
>
>Not at all - I wanted to keep my OP as short as possible, that's all.  Why
>fill the NG with stuff that needn't be there?
>
>I've had a good response so far overall.  Seems some NGs are more friendly
>than others.

>
>If you use XP-based NLEs, have a DV camcorder and would like to help test
>something new, let me know as per OP.....
>

"PTravel" <ptravel88-use***@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Laurence Payne" <lpayne1NOSPAM@dsl.pipexSPAMTRAP.com> wrote in message
> news:n2cgl1drm3a9qv6ed92hljiqeffl2rq88q@4ax.com...
> > On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:32:46 -0700, "PTravel"
> > <ptravel88-use***@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >>No one in their right mind should sign an NDA without knowing the
subject
> >>matter.
> >
> > Why not?
>
> NDAs go far beyond simple non-disclosure -- they address what you may do
> with the material that's disclosed.  If the disclosed material is already
in
> the public domain, or was something that you independently developed, you
> may be precluded from using it.  If a subsequent employer/vendor/partner
> discloses identical material to you at a later date, you may be precluded
> from making use of it.
>
> The NDA should be very specific as to why you are both entering into it,
> what the disclosures will relate to, what limitations are placed on what
can
> be done with the disclosures, etc.
>
> There is no such thing as a "standard NDA," and there are lots of traps
and
> pitfalls that are in them.  No one should sign an NDA without fully
> understanding its ramifications.
>
>

"Jona Vark" <noem***@all.com> wrote in message
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>
> "PTravel" <ptravel88-use***@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3rqsc3FknfkkU2@individual.net...
> >
> > "Laurence Payne" <lpayne1NOSPAM@dsl.pipexSPAMTRAP.com> wrote in message
> > news:n2cgl1drm3a9qv6ed92hljiqeffl2rq88q@4ax.com...
> > > On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:32:46 -0700, "PTravel"
> > > <ptravel88-use***@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >>No one in their right mind should sign an NDA without knowing the
> subject
> > >>matter.
> > >
> > > Why not?
> >
> > NDAs go far beyond simple non-disclosure -- they address what you may do
> > with the material that's disclosed.  If the disclosed material is
already
> in
> > the public domain, or was something that you independently developed,
you
> > may be precluded from using it.  If a subsequent employer/vendor/partner
> > discloses identical material to you at a later date, you may be
precluded
> > from making use of it.
> >
> > The NDA should be very specific as to why you are both entering into it,
> > what the disclosures will relate to, what limitations are placed on what
> can
> > be done with the disclosures, etc.
> >
> > There is no such thing as a "standard NDA," and there are lots of traps
> and
> > pitfalls that are in them.  No one should sign an NDA without fully
> > understanding its ramifications.
> >
> >
>
> I have had to edit many NDA's which actually would have made it impossible
> for me to do other work relating to the technology in question. Some are
way
> too broad and can actually be problematic beyond the relationship you have
> with the company. Even if it does not directly involve the technology they
> are protecting.

>
>

>PTravel wrote:
>
>>   Exactly right.  I don't understand the reluctance of the OP to
>>disclose the
>> general subject matter of the software for which he is soliciting beta
>> testers.
>>
>
>And there's the rub, as they say. I'd prefer not to start the travel
>down someones legal road with a blindfold on. And perhaps I may have no
>interest whatsoever in this particular.....? I mean, perhaps I don't
>really need a nose hair mask!
>
>Ah, but its academic really. I've never upgraded to XP on my editing
>machine, its still chugging along with W2k. And because its a Tyan
>dualie board, which have a reputation for being picky little wickets,
>and mine is rock solid stable, I'm not going to even glance in the
>direction of fate and make an OS change.

? "RS" <m***@mail.com> ?????? ??? ??????
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> PTravel wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Exactly right.  I don't understand the reluctance of the OP to disclose
the
> > general subject matter of the software for which he is soliciting beta
> > testers.
> >
> >
>
> And there's the rub, as they say. I'd prefer not to start the travel
> down someones legal road with a blindfold on. And perhaps I may have no
> interest whatsoever in this particular.....? I mean, perhaps I don't
> really need a nose hair mask!
>
> Ah, but its academic really. I've never upgraded to XP on my editing
> machine, its still chugging along with W2k. And because its a Tyan
> dualie board, which have a reputation for being picky little wickets,
> and mine is rock solid stable, I'm not going to even glance in the
> direction of fate and make an OS change.

"John F. Miller" <johnATenosoft.net> wrote in message
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> http://www.enosoft.net
>
>
>
>
>

"RS" <m***@mail.com> wrote in message news:435d092b$1_3@newspeer2.tds.net...
> John F. Miller wrote:
> > The software under development is an enhanced DV codec designed as an
> > alternative to the DV codec shipped with Microsoft(R) Windows(R)
operating
> > systems or other third-party codecs.  In addition to providing high
quality
> > encoding and decoding of DV data, a number of enhanced features exist
that
> > will be of great benefit to the users of DV-based applications.
> >
> > The codec is provided as a DirectShow(R) compatible filter and is the
first
> > offering that uses a new DV encoder/decoder engine that is central to a
> > number of new utilities aimed at video editors of DV material on the
Windows
> > platform.
> >
> >
>
> Yikes! See now thats really usefull info. Vague enough so as to not give
> any real specifics, but usefull enough to let me decide if I would want
> to take a chance. Untested codec is one of a small group of programs
> that I'd really rather not take a chance on.

"John F. Miller" <johnATenosoft.net> wrote in message
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>
> "RS" <m***@mail.com> wrote in message
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> > John F. Miller wrote:
> > > The software under development is an enhanced DV codec designed as an
> > > alternative to the DV codec shipped with Microsoft(R) Windows(R)
> operating
> > > systems or other third-party codecs.  In addition to providing high
> quality
> > > encoding and decoding of DV data, a number of enhanced features exist
> that
> > > will be of great benefit to the users of DV-based applications.
> > >
> > > The codec is provided as a DirectShow(R) compatible filter and is the
> first
> > > offering that uses a new DV encoder/decoder engine that is central to
a
> > > number of new utilities aimed at video editors of DV material on the
> Windows
> > > platform.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Yikes! See now thats really usefull info. Vague enough so as to not give
> > any real specifics, but usefull enough to let me decide if I would want
> > to take a chance. Untested codec is one of a small group of programs
> > that I'd really rather not take a chance on.
>
> Interesting....why does an untested codec give you the heebie-geebies?  (I
> wouldn't recommend using it for any critical work to be safe and/or test
it
> on a non-production machine.  But I provide a very easy way to toggle
> between the beta and your favorite - even if it is the appalling MS
> offering!
>
> If I provided a screen shot of the additional features, could that sway
you?
>
> (You could sign up for the beta program and make up your own mind about
the
> battle of "ooh, that's cool" vs. "ooh, that's risky"!)
>
>
> John.

>
>

"Jona Vark" <noem***@all.com> wrote in message
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>
> "John F. Miller" <johnATenosoft.net> wrote in message
> news:11lqm5hdp1qggd6@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > "RS" <m***@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:435d092b$1_3@newspeer2.tds.net...
> > > John F. Miller wrote:
> > > > The software under development is an enhanced DV codec designed as
an
> > > > alternative to the DV codec shipped with Microsoft(R) Windows(R)
> > operating
> > > > systems or other third-party codecs.  In addition to providing high
> > quality
> > > > encoding and decoding of DV data, a number of enhanced features
exist
> > that
> > > > will be of great benefit to the users of DV-based applications.
> > > >
> > > > The codec is provided as a DirectShow(R) compatible filter and is
the
> > first
> > > > offering that uses a new DV encoder/decoder engine that is central
to
> a
> > > > number of new utilities aimed at video editors of DV material on the
> > Windows
> > > > platform.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Yikes! See now thats really usefull info. Vague enough so as to not
give
> > > any real specifics, but usefull enough to let me decide if I would
want
> > > to take a chance. Untested codec is one of a small group of programs
> > > that I'd really rather not take a chance on.
> >
> > Interesting....why does an untested codec give you the heebie-geebies?
(I
> > wouldn't recommend using it for any critical work to be safe and/or test
> it
> > on a non-production machine.  But I provide a very easy way to toggle
> > between the beta and your favorite - even if it is the appalling MS
> > offering!
> >
> > If I provided a screen shot of the additional features, could that sway
> you?
> >
> > (You could sign up for the beta program and make up your own mind about
> the
> > battle of "ooh, that's cool" vs. "ooh, that's risky"!)
> >
> >
> > John.
>
>
> john.. Is there even a real need for a new DV codec? With DV now being
> ecliped by HDV etc..
> Seems a bit late...