> If you have .avi files from downloading your home movies to your
> hard drive, do you have to convert these to MPEG4 or similar?
>
> Can anyone tell me how to convert .avi files to a format that
> the Apple video ipod will recognise?
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
>

> Gary L T wrote:
>> Can anyone tell me what type of video files the iPod will recognise?
>
> H.264 video
>
> File formats: .m4v, .mp4 and .mov
>
> Video: Up to 768 Kbps, 320 x 240 pixels, 30 frames per second, Baseline
> Profile up to Level 1.3
>
> Audio: AAC-LC up to 160 Kbps, 48 KHz, stereo audio
>
>
>
> MPEG-4 video
>
> File formats: .m4v, .mp4 and .mov
>
> Video: Up to 2.5 Mbps, 480 x 480 pixels, 30 frames per second, Simple
> Profile
>
> Audio: AAC-LC up to 160 Kbps, 48 KHz, stereo audio
>
>

>> If you have .avi files from downloading your home movies to your
>> hard drive, do you have to convert these to MPEG4 or similar?
>>
>> Can anyone tell me how to convert .avi files to a format that
>> the Apple video ipod will recognise?
>>
>> Thanks for your help.
>>
>>

"Nathan Mercer" <nmer***@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:434de51a$1@clear.net.nz...
> Gary L T wrote:
>> Can anyone tell me what type of video files the iPod will recognise?
>
> H.264 video
>
> File formats: .m4v, .mp4 and .mov
>
> Video: Up to 768 Kbps, 320 x 240 pixels, 30 frames per second, Baseline
> Profile up to Level 1.3
>
> Audio: AAC-LC up to 160 Kbps, 48 KHz, stereo audio
>
> MPEG-4 video
>
> File formats: .m4v, .mp4 and .mov
>
> Video: Up to 2.5 Mbps, 480 x 480 pixels, 30 frames per second, Simple
> Profile
>
> Audio: AAC-LC up to 160 Kbps, 48 KHz, stereo audio

>>>Can anyone tell me what type of video files the iPod will recognise?
>>
>>H.264 video
>>File formats: .m4v, .mp4 and .mov
>>Video: Up to 768 Kbps, 320 x 240 pixels, 30 frames per second, Baseline
>>Profile up to Level 1.3
>>Audio: AAC-LC up to 160 Kbps, 48 KHz, stereo audio
>>
>>MPEG-4 video
>>File formats: .m4v, .mp4 and .mov
>>Video: Up to 2.5 Mbps, 480 x 480 pixels, 30 frames per second, Simple
>>Profile
>>Audio: AAC-LC up to 160 Kbps, 48 KHz, stereo audio
>
> Thanks Nathan for this information. I converted one of my home
> movie .avi files to QuickTime 6 (*.mov) with the help of my
> video editing program (Sony Vegas). Although Quicktime played
> the converted movie OK, iTunes 6, could not import the file and
> gave the following error message:
>
> The file test.mov cannot be imported because it does not appear
> to be a valid exported file.
>
> Does anyone know whether Apple has produced a conversion
> program that will convert .avi files to the format that iTunes6
> requires? Thanks for your help.

>Gary L T wrote:
>
>> Thanks for this reference, the upgrade costs $US29.99 and Apple says
>> (why, that's just 8 cents a day for a year)!
>>
>> But Apple is overlooking the fact that people have paid a lot to get
>> their iPods, and if this is the only way of successfully converting
>> home movie files, it is going to be very unpopular with a lot of people!
>>
>> I tried a few other conversion programs, but none of the Mpeg4 Mov
>> or h264 avi files were accepted by iTunes 6.
>>
>> So if anyone knows of a conversion program that converts .avi to iTunes6
>> that works properly, please post details, thanks!
>
>
>Makes the video ipod look like just another halfassed apple product if it only
>takes quicktime... why not the avis that everything else is happy with... only
>apple..

Ï "GMAN" <glenz***@xmission.com> Ýãñáøå óôï ìÞíõìá
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> In article <434e2***@news.orcon.net.nz>, Richard <r***@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
> >Gary L T wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks for this reference, the upgrade costs $US29.99 and Apple says
> >> (why, that's just 8 cents a day for a year)!
> >>
> >> But Apple is overlooking the fact that people have paid a lot to get
> >> their iPods, and if this is the only way of successfully converting
> >> home movie files, it is going to be very unpopular with a lot of
people!
> >>
> >> I tried a few other conversion programs, but none of the Mpeg4 Mov
> >> or h264 avi files were accepted by iTunes 6.
> >>
> >> So if anyone knows of a conversion program that converts .avi to
iTunes6
> >> that works properly, please post details, thanks!
> >
> >
> >Makes the video ipod look like just another halfassed apple product if it
only
> >takes quicktime... why not the avis that everything else is happy with...
only
> >apple..
> Yup, Apple keeps on reinventing the wheel. Its not like there hasn't been
> pocket video players for years now. Archos, Sony PSP and others have been
> available for a while now.

>

> Dave Martindale wrote:
> > Richard <r***@ihug.co.nz> writes:
> >
> >
> >>Makes the video ipod look like just another halfassed apple product if it
> >>only
> >>takes quicktime... why not the avis that everything else is happy with...
> >>only
> >>apple..
> >
> >
> > You might as well ask why all ipods do not play WMA audio files.  To do
> > so would certainly benefit consumers, but it would also help one of
> > Apple's rivals.
>
> The underlying Portalplayer chipset's support WMA, Apple specifically
> disables the functionality

> William Davis <davisb***@mac.com> writes:
>
> >Just for the record, I don't think that Apple is really "selling
> >hardware" here. Nor are they "selling software."
>
> >They're building a digital distribuition network for creative content
> >that happens to have hardware and software components. Note that since
> >the implementation of iTunes for the PC, this is not a "strictly Mac"
> >model. Also note that, as other posters have mentioned, apple software
> >(Quicktime) is NOT strictly necessary for viewing.
>
> >The success or failure of iTunes - and by extension iTunes for Video -
> >is that it's a digital distribution model for making it EASY for users
> >to satisfy their desire for LICENSED creative content.
>
> But I don't want to buy any licensed creative content from Apple's
> store.  I want to listen (legally) to all of the content that I already
> own on CDs, and I want to do it using WMA-compressed audio (because it
> takes less space).  Apple's iPods don't work for that, when they could
> easily do so - without losing any of their existing capability as part
> of their "digital distribution network".
>
>     Dave

"Nathan Mercer" <nmer***@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Dave Martindale wrote:
>> Richard <r***@ihug.co.nz> writes:
>>
>>
>>>Makes the video ipod look like just another halfassed apple product if it
>>>only takes quicktime... why not the avis that everything else is happy
>>>with... only apple..
>>
>>
>> You might as well ask why all ipods do not play WMA audio files.  To do
>> so would certainly benefit consumers, but it would also help one of
>> Apple's rivals.
>
> The underlying Portalplayer chipset's support WMA, Apple specifically
> disables the functionality

"Dave Martindale" <da***@cs.ubc.ca> wrote in message
news:dirpu5$j5t$2@mughi.cs.ubc.ca...
> Richard <r***@ihug.co.nz> writes:
>
>>Makes the video ipod look like just another halfassed apple product if it
>>only
>>takes quicktime... why not the avis that everything else is happy with...
>>only
>>apple..
>
> You might as well ask why all ipods do not play WMA audio files.  To do
> so would certainly benefit consumers, but it would also help one of
> Apple's rivals.
>
> Dave

"Bruce Hoult" <br***@hoult.org> wrote in message
news:bruce-AC4C01.16492919102005@news.clear.net.nz...
> In article <dj3s4a$hi***@mughi.cs.ubc.ca>,
> da***@cs.ubc.ca (Dave Martindale) wrote:
>
>> >Personally I rip all my cd's directly to mp3 format in iTunes, change in
>> >preference is all that is needed.
>>
>> But don't you pay a price in space, compared to Apple's own compressed
>> format?
>
> Apple don't have their own lossy compression format.  Their default
> format for ripping in iTunes is AAC, which is the audio part of the
> MPEG-4 standard, just as MP3 is the audio part of the MPEG-1 standard.

On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:59:04 +1300, "Gary L T" <gar***@it.net> wrote:

>
>"Bruce Hoult" <br***@hoult.org> wrote in message
>news:bruce-AC4C01.16492919102005@news.clear.net.nz...
>> In article <dj3s4a$hi***@mughi.cs.ubc.ca>,
>> da***@cs.ubc.ca (Dave Martindale) wrote:
>>
>>> >Personally I rip all my cd's directly to mp3 format in iTunes, change in
>>> >preference is all that is needed.
>>>
>>> But don't you pay a price in space, compared to Apple's own compressed
>>> format?
>>
>> Apple don't have their own lossy compression format.  Their default
>> format for ripping in iTunes is AAC, which is the audio part of the
>> MPEG-4 standard, just as MP3 is the audio part of the MPEG-1 standard.
>
>snip
>
>Getting back to the creation of video for the iPod, there is a tutorial
>here:
>
>http://www.apple.com/quicktime/tutorials/creatingvideo.html
>
>In the small print, it says that "by following the steps in this tutorial,
>QuickTime 7 Pro will automatically create an .m4v file containing H.264
>video and AAC audio that is optimized for iPod. The only trouble with
>using QuickTime 7 Pro is that you have to pay for this program if you
>want to make iPod compatible video files, but the audio programs
>are an integral part of the free iTunes software.
>
>I wonder if anyone has actually tried and had success with using any
>of the other software conversion programs that have been referred to
>in this thread? It's good that several other H.264 and MPEG-4
>conversion programs exist, but some are expensive, and some
>may not optimize the files for iPod. But if anyone knows of a
>free conversion program that has actually made files that are
>optimized for iPod and really do work on iPod, I would be
>interested to know of them. Do you think Apple will make
>such a program free to iPod users before long?
>
>

"XP" <xp@nospam.comn> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:59:04 +1300, "Gary L T" <gar***@it.net> wrote:

>>Getting back to the creation of video for the iPod, there is a tutorial
>>here:
>>
>>http://www.apple.com/quicktime/tutorials/creatingvideo.html
>>
>>In the small print, it says that "by following the steps in this tutorial,
>>QuickTime 7 Pro will automatically create an .m4v file containing H.264
>>video and AAC audio that is optimized for iPod. The only trouble with
>>using QuickTime 7 Pro is that you have to pay for this program if you
>>want to make iPod compatible video files, but the audio programs
>>are an integral part of the free iTunes software.
>>
>>I wonder if anyone has actually tried and had success with using any
>>of the other software conversion programs that have been referred to
>>in this thread? It's good that several other H.264 and MPEG-4
>>conversion programs exist, but some are expensive, and some
>>may not optimize the files for iPod. But if anyone knows of a
>>free conversion program that has actually made files that are
>>optimized for iPod and really do work on iPod, I would be
>>interested to know of them. Do you think Apple will make
>>such a program free to iPod users before long?
>>
> Why not try PSP Video 9 , its Free.
>
>
> http://www.pspvideo9.com/
>
> Has stacks of Options and can also work with VOB files that none of the
> Commercial ones can do..
>

> >
> >
> > http://www.pspvideo9.com/
> >
> > Has stacks of Options and can also work with VOB files that none of the
> > Commercial ones can do..
> >
> Thanks XP for this URL. I installed this program and it created a file
> named:
> M4V10001.mp4 from one of my home movie .avi files.
>
> The converted mp4 file played OK in QuickTime Player 7.0.3, but it was
> rejected by iTunes as an invalid video file.
>
> This has happened also to every other .mp4 file that I have tried from
> the various programs recommended in this thread. Perhaps the mp4
> file is altered (or perhaps renamed) in a way that is specific to the
> requirements of the ipod?
>
> It should be noted also that the "File" "Export" function in QuickTime
> Player 7.0.3 does not work, you need to pay to get the pro version for
this.
>
>

On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:21:31 +1300, "Gary L T" <gar***@it.net> wrote:

>
>"XP" <xp@nospam.comn> wrote in message
>news:40rbl153vppqfh3jtgv7n5f7gc37s6r02s@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:59:04 +1300, "Gary L T" <gar***@it.net> wrote:
>
>>>Getting back to the creation of video for the iPod, there is a tutorial
>>>here:
>>>
>>>http://www.apple.com/quicktime/tutorials/creatingvideo.html
>>>
>>>In the small print, it says that "by following the steps in this tutorial,
>>>QuickTime 7 Pro will automatically create an .m4v file containing H.264
>>>video and AAC audio that is optimized for iPod. The only trouble with
>>>using QuickTime 7 Pro is that you have to pay for this program if you
>>>want to make iPod compatible video files, but the audio programs
>>>are an integral part of the free iTunes software.
>>>
>>>I wonder if anyone has actually tried and had success with using any
>>>of the other software conversion programs that have been referred to
>>>in this thread? It's good that several other H.264 and MPEG-4
>>>conversion programs exist, but some are expensive, and some
>>>may not optimize the files for iPod. But if anyone knows of a
>>>free conversion program that has actually made files that are
>>>optimized for iPod and really do work on iPod, I would be
>>>interested to know of them. Do you think Apple will make
>>>such a program free to iPod users before long?
>>>
>> Why not try PSP Video 9 , its Free.
>>
>>
>> http://www.pspvideo9.com/
>>
>> Has stacks of Options and can also work with VOB files that none of the
>> Commercial ones can do..
>>
>Thanks XP for this URL. I installed this program and it created a file
>named:
>M4V10001.mp4 from one of my home movie .avi files.
>
>The converted mp4 file played OK in QuickTime Player 7.0.3, but it was
>rejected by iTunes as an invalid video file.
>
>This has happened also to every other .mp4 file that I have tried from
>the various programs recommended in this thread. Perhaps the mp4
>file is altered (or perhaps renamed) in a way that is specific to the
>requirements of the ipod?
>
>It should be noted also that the "File" "Export" function in QuickTime
>Player 7.0.3 does not work, you need to pay to get the pro version for this.
>

"XP" <xp@nospam.comn> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:21:31 +1300, "Gary L T" <gar***@it.net> wrote:

> The H.264    mode is   called AVC ,   you can change the file name to what
> ever you like, the   M4V+++++  is the MP4 file format, but the H.264
> (AVC)
> is  called MAQ+++++
>
> Try changing the file names to the iPod  ones..
>
>
> Plus they might update the PSP Video 9   for iPod, as its a nice program
> to
> use, even used to rip a PAL DVD that I have and it played 100% on a Jap
> PSP..
>
> Used DVD Decrypter to get the VOB files, funny how a so called NTSC PSP
> can
> play a  PAL Image with out any sound sync lose..
>
> Does the iPod have  NTSC/PAL options.?
>
>
> The other thing you could try is the FFMPEG Flags..
>
> http://ffmpeg.sourceforge.net/index.php

> "Dave Martindale" <da***@cs.ubc.ca> wrote in message
> news:dirpu5$j5t$2@mughi.cs.ubc.ca...
>
>>Richard <r***@ihug.co.nz> writes:
>>
>>
>>>Makes the video ipod look like just another halfassed apple product if it
>>>only
>>>takes quicktime... why not the avis that everything else is happy with...
>>>only
>>>apple..
>>
>>You might as well ask why all ipods do not play WMA audio files.  To do
>>so would certainly benefit consumers, but it would also help one of
>>Apple's rivals.
>>
>>Dave
>
>
> Well if the wma files are NOT encrypted iTunes easily allows you to convert
> them to something that will play on iTunes and iPod.
>
> But encrypted files between the too rival companies, ex. apple's protected
> songs and microsofts protected content, I believe isn't legal
> to unprotect by anyone and can only be played for the system and software it
> was designed for.
>
> In mediaPlayer for example when ripping a cd, it defaults to protect wma
> format, I believe unless you change the preferences to unprotected, that's
> Microsofts decision which later hinders people from converting wma files to
> be played elsewhere.

"Nathan Mercer" <nmer***@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> AnthonyR wrote:
>> "Dave Martindale" <da***@cs.ubc.ca> wrote in message
>> news:dirpu5$j5t$2@mughi.cs.ubc.ca...
>>
>>>Richard <r***@ihug.co.nz> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Makes the video ipod look like just another halfassed apple product if
>>>>it only
>>>>takes quicktime... why not the avis that everything else is happy
>>>>with... only
>>>>apple..

"Nathan Mercer" <nmer***@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> AnthonyR wrote:
>> "Dave Martindale" <da***@cs.ubc.ca> wrote in message
>> news:dirpu5$j5t$2@mughi.cs.ubc.ca...
>>
>>>Richard <r***@ihug.co.nz> writes:
snip
>> was designed for.
>>
>> In mediaPlayer for example when ripping a cd, it defaults to protect wma
>> format, I believe unless you change the preferences to unprotected,
>> that's Microsofts decision which later hinders people from converting wma
>> files to be played elsewhere.
>
> It doesn't default to protected WMA, is asks you what you want to do the
> first time you rip/encode a CD to WMA
>
> Cheers
> Nathan

On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:21:46 +1300, "Gary L T" <gar***@it.net> wrote:

>
>"Nathan Mercer" <nmer***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:434de51a$1@clear.net.nz...
>> Gary L T wrote:
>>> Can anyone tell me what type of video files the iPod will recognise?
>>
>> H.264 video
>>
>> File formats: .m4v, .mp4 and .mov
>>
>> Video: Up to 768 Kbps, 320 x 240 pixels, 30 frames per second, Baseline
>> Profile up to Level 1.3
>>
>> Audio: AAC-LC up to 160 Kbps, 48 KHz, stereo audio
>>
>> MPEG-4 video
>>
>> File formats: .m4v, .mp4 and .mov
>>
>> Video: Up to 2.5 Mbps, 480 x 480 pixels, 30 frames per second, Simple
>> Profile
>>
>> Audio: AAC-LC up to 160 Kbps, 48 KHz, stereo audio
>
>Thanks Nathan for this information. I converted one of my home
>movie .avi files to QuickTime 6 (*.mov) with the help of my
>video editing program (Sony Vegas). Although Quicktime played
>the converted movie OK, iTunes 6, could not import the file and
>gave the following error message:
>
>The file test.mov cannot be imported because it does not appear
>to be a valid exported file.
>
>Does anyone know whether Apple has produced a conversion
>program that will convert .avi files to the format that iTunes6
>requires? Thanks for your help.
>
>Gary
>
>

> "Nathan Mercer" <nmer***@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:434de51a$1@clear.net.nz...
>> Gary L T wrote:
>>> Can anyone tell me what type of video files the iPod will recognise?
>>
>> H.264 video
>>
>> File formats: .m4v, .mp4 and .mov
>>
>> Video: Up to 768 Kbps, 320 x 240 pixels, 30 frames per second,
>> Baseline Profile up to Level 1.3
>>
>> Audio: AAC-LC up to 160 Kbps, 48 KHz, stereo audio
>>
>> MPEG-4 video
>>
>> File formats: .m4v, .mp4 and .mov
>>
>> Video: Up to 2.5 Mbps, 480 x 480 pixels, 30 frames per second, Simple
>> Profile
>>
>> Audio: AAC-LC up to 160 Kbps, 48 KHz, stereo audio
>
> Thanks Nathan for this information. I converted one of my home
> movie .avi files to QuickTime 6 (*.mov) with the help of my
> video editing program (Sony Vegas). Although Quicktime played
> the converted movie OK, iTunes 6, could not import the file and
> gave the following error message:
>
> The file test.mov cannot be imported because it does not appear
> to be a valid exported file.
>
> Does anyone know whether Apple has produced a conversion
> program that will convert .avi files to the format that iTunes6
> requires? Thanks for your help.
>
> Gary

"Mike Kujbida" <kujfamNoSpam@xplornet.com> wrote in message
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> Gary, I haven't had any reason to try this myself but try using the mp4
> option that's in Vegas 6.0c (recently released).  This was designed for
> the
> Sony PSP but it may work for the iPod.  Page 312-313 of the manual
> discusses
> doing this (Tools - Export to PSP).
> You can also try rendering out using the "Sony AVC/AAC (^.mp4)" option.
> If you don't have the newest version of Vegas or the manual, you'll need
> to
> download both of them.  The manual was re-written to reflect the new
> changes
> such as the addition of miniDVD import capabilities.  I can tell you that
> this option works like a charm :-)
>

On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 08:11:21 +1300, "Gary L T" <gar***@it.net> wrote:

>
>"Mike Kujbida" <kujfamNoSpam@xplornet.com> wrote in message
>news:3r6uvhFh7nduU1@individual.net...
>
>> Gary, I haven't had any reason to try this myself but try using the mp4
>> option that's in Vegas 6.0c (recently released).  This was designed for
>> the
>> Sony PSP but it may work for the iPod.  Page 312-313 of the manual
>> discusses
>> doing this (Tools - Export to PSP).
>> You can also try rendering out using the "Sony AVC/AAC (^.mp4)" option.
>> If you don't have the newest version of Vegas or the manual, you'll need
>> to
>> download both of them.  The manual was re-written to reflect the new
>> changes
>> such as the addition of miniDVD import capabilities.  I can tell you that
>> this option works like a charm :-)
>>
>Thanks for this information Mike, I am still using Vegas 5, so I will need
>to upgrade to Version 6 before long. I guess in the long term it would
>pay to buy QuickTime Pro 7.0.3, but I think Apple would generate more
>ipod sales and customer goodwill if they released a free conversion
>program so that people can watch their home movies on their ipods.
>After all, Apple have supplied free software for people to convert their
>music cds into formats that are compatible with the ipod, so perhaps
>they have done this for video, but we haven't yet found the program?
>
>Gary
>

In article <434eb***@clear.net.nz>, "Gary L T" <gar***@it.net> wrote:

> "Mike Kujbida" <kujfamNoSpam@xplornet.com> wrote in message
> news:3r6uvhFh7nduU1@individual.net...
>
> > Gary, I haven't had any reason to try this myself but try using the mp4
> > option that's in Vegas 6.0c (recently released).  This was designed for
> > the
> > Sony PSP but it may work for the iPod.  Page 312-313 of the manual
> > discusses
> > doing this (Tools - Export to PSP).
> > You can also try rendering out using the "Sony AVC/AAC (^.mp4)" option.
> > If you don't have the newest version of Vegas or the manual, you'll need
> > to
> > download both of them.  The manual was re-written to reflect the new
> > changes
> > such as the addition of miniDVD import capabilities.  I can tell you that
> > this option works like a charm :-)
> >
> Thanks for this information Mike, I am still using Vegas 5, so I will need
> to upgrade to Version 6 before long. I guess in the long term it would
> pay to buy QuickTime Pro 7.0.3, but I think Apple would generate more
> ipod sales and customer goodwill if they released a free conversion
> program so that people can watch their home movies on their ipods.
> After all, Apple have supplied free software for people to convert their
> music cds into formats that are compatible with the ipod, so perhaps
> they have done this for video, but we haven't yet found the program?

> Anybody <anyb***@anywhere-anytime.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <1129357837.893271.214***@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> >"nobody special" <msu1049***@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I must be getting old, but I fail to see the point of watching programs
> >> on a 2.5 inch screen. The detail must get lost pretty badly. Folks must
> >> be pretty desperate to need to see programming in such a way.
> >
> >There have been mini TVs for years with similar size screens - hell,
> >there's even been a TV on a wristwatch. I'd expect the iPod Video (or
> >some third party maker) to include a TV tuner in the not too distant
> >future.  :-)
>
> iPod video - great for porn on the run..

> T'was the Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:45:35 GMT when I remembered "AnthonyR"
> <nomail@nospam.com> saying something like this:
>
> >> I admit that watching video on a portable device is pretty appealing,
> >> as long as the screen's relatively big enough.>
> >> Waylon Kenning.
> >
> >Hmm, What about magnifier glasses, lol
> >or a screen enlarger lens you can snap in front of the 2.5 " screen to make
> >it 4"?
>
> Haha, I guess I could just hold the screen closer to my eyes to make
> it bigger, but it's just not like the movies;)
>
> What ever happened to those LCD glasses you could get to watch movies
> and play games in crap-3D?
> --
> Cheers,
>
> Waylon Kenning.

> "Anybody" <anyb***@anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in message
> news:161020051246213949%anybody@anywhere-anytime.com...
>
>>In article <1129357837.893271.214***@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
>>"nobody special" <msu1049***@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I must be getting old, but I fail to see the point of watching programs
>>>on a 2.5 inch screen. The detail must get lost pretty badly. Folks must
>>>be pretty desperate to need to see programming in such a way.
>>
>>There have been mini TVs for years with similar size screens - hell,
>>there's even been a TV on a wristwatch. I'd expect the iPod Video (or
>>some third party maker) to include a TV tuner in the not too distant
>>future.  :-)
>
>
> Yes but reception has always been porr when travelling, ex. in a bus or
> train, on the road, in a plane etc..
> So mini TV's never were attractive as a convenience.
> But a player that can also hold it's own clear programming, now that a
> totally different story than TV.
>
> IMHO,
> AnthonyR.
>
>

"Bill Van Dyk" <tr***@christian-horizons.org> wrote in message
news:q7-dnQukUNZSzcveRVn-gQ@golden.net...
> Or is there no real need or desire for wrist-watch-size TV's?  Why do you
> think there are no video phones yet?  The technology is there.
>
> I don't even hear people getting excited about using their computer as a
> phone-- aint gonna happen.
>
> My feeling is that iPod video will never move beyond the "novelty" stage
> of acceptance.  Except, as someone else noted, as a teeny, tiny VCR that
> can play movies on your TV.....  That's more intriguing.  A teeny, tiny
> VCR, that you can take with you to people's houses or apartments to play
> your video on...  Video Resumes?  How to "books" with video. Perpetually
> updated living wills....

"Bill Van Dyk" <tr***@christian-horizons.org> wrote in message
news:q7-dnQukUNZSzcveRVn-gQ@golden.net...
> Or is there no real need or desire for wrist-watch-size TV's?  Why do you
> think there are no video phones yet?  The technology is there.
>
> I don't even hear people getting excited about using their computer as a
> phone-- aint gonna happen.
>
> My feeling is that iPod video will never move beyond the "novelty" stage
> of acceptance.  Except, as someone else noted, as a teeny, tiny VCR that
> can play movies on your TV.....  That's more intriguing.  A teeny, tiny
> VCR, that you can take with you to people's houses or apartments to play
> your video on...  Video Resumes?  How to "books" with video. Perpetually
> updated living wills....
>

> "Bill Van Dyk" <tr***@christian-horizons.org> wrote in message
> news:q7-dnQukUNZSzcveRVn-gQ@golden.net...
> > Or is there no real need or desire for wrist-watch-size TV's?  Why do you
> > think there are no video phones yet?  The technology is there.
> >
> > I don't even hear people getting excited about using their computer as a
> > phone-- aint gonna happen.
> >
> > My feeling is that iPod video will never move beyond the "novelty" stage
> > of acceptance.  Except, as someone else noted, as a teeny, tiny VCR that
> > can play movies on your TV.....  That's more intriguing.  A teeny, tiny
> > VCR, that you can take with you to people's houses or apartments to play
> > your video on...  Video Resumes?  How to "books" with video. Perpetually
> > updated living wills....
> >
>  Well we were promised video phones back in 1984, and they were suppose to
> be available in 1999 by Ma Bell.
>
> It never happened and still hasn't because of one word, "Bandwidth".

> Allow me to flame a bit;
>
> this has turned into the stupidest conversation ever.
> wah, this screen is too small, it doesn't accept my files, wah!
> make your own player.
>
> The initial thread was regarding the technical reformatting of videos
> to play on the ipod.
> Now, to find the few comments related to video conversion I have had to
> read all of the 'idiots banter' about the philosophical dilemmas faced
> when choosing one media player over another and the moral relativity of
> screen size. SHUT UP already.
>
> As for the initial question,
>
> Quicktime pro will convert mpg and mov files to m4v format, but I have
> not had success converting any AVI files - Quicktime either states it
> cannot open the files, or it converts them and they end up without
> audio. Either way,  iTunes will not allow me to import them.
>
> I just started using Total Video Converter (
> http://www.effectmatrix.com  as Hanson Woo recommended back on Oct
> 14th) with much success, although I am still working out the kinks of
> video resizing.
>
> If anyone knows a workaround to the Quicktime Pro issue of not
> recognizing avi files I would be stoked to hear it. When it actually
> works (with mpg and mov conversion) it does do a much better job of
> outputting ready to go, correctly ipod sized videos than TVC.
>
> Thanks

> On 2005-10-13 15:11:21 -0400, "Gary L T" <gar***@it.net> said:
>
>> Thanks for this information Mike, I am still using Vegas 5, so I will
>> need
>> to upgrade to Version 6 before long. I guess in the long term it would
>> pay to buy QuickTime Pro 7.0.3, but I think Apple would generate more
>> ipod sales and customer goodwill if they released a free conversion
>> program so that people can watch their home movies on their ipods.
>> After all, Apple have supplied free software for people to convert their
>> music cds into formats that are compatible with the ipod, so perhaps
>> they have done this for video, but we haven't yet found the program?
>>
>> Gary
>
>
> Forgive me if this was already mentioned but wont ffmpegx and the open
> source mplayer tools convert  your video into h.264 for free?

> AJ wrote:
> > On 2005-10-13 15:11:21 -0400, "Gary L T" <gar***@it.net> said:
> >
> >> Thanks for this information Mike, I am still using Vegas 5, so I will
> >> need
> >> to upgrade to Version 6 before long. I guess in the long term it would
> >> pay to buy QuickTime Pro 7.0.3, but I think Apple would generate more
> >> ipod sales and customer goodwill if they released a free conversion
> >> program so that people can watch their home movies on their ipods.
> >> After all, Apple have supplied free software for people to convert their
> >> music cds into formats that are compatible with the ipod, so perhaps
> >> they have done this for video, but we haven't yet found the program?
> >>
> >> Gary
> >
> >
> > Forgive me if this was already mentioned but wont ffmpegx and the open
> > source mplayer tools convert  your video into h.264 for free?
>
> MediaPipe http://mediapipe.sourceforge.net/ and 3ivx can probably handle
> it too

>On 2005-10-13 15:11:21 -0400, "Gary L T" <gar***@it.net> said:
>
>> Thanks for this information Mike, I am still using Vegas 5, so I will need
>> to upgrade to Version 6 before long. I guess in the long term it would
>> pay to buy QuickTime Pro 7.0.3, but I think Apple would generate more
>> ipod sales and customer goodwill if they released a free conversion
>> program so that people can watch their home movies on their ipods.
>> After all, Apple have supplied free software for people to convert their
>> music cds into formats that are compatible with the ipod, so perhaps
>> they have done this for video, but we haven't yet found the program?
>>
>> Gary
>
>Forgive me if this was already mentioned but wont ffmpegx and the open
>source mplayer tools convert  your video into h.264 for free?
>
>-AJ

>In article <5sf6l1djnmcp2gsdcva8lk14pq177u3***@4ax.com>, XP                                 
><xp@nospam.comn> wrote:
>
>> I have just been reading that you have to buy Quicktime or pay $1.99 for each
>> movie  or Video..
>
>TV episodes (and music videos?) are being sold on Apple's iTunes web
>store at $2 to $3 each. These can then be played on the computer or
>transferred to the iPod Video.
>
>You don't "have to buy QuickTime" at all. You can download QuickTime
>for free (if you own a Mac it's already installed, but you may need to
>download the new QuickTime 7) and the only reason you'd pay for a
>QuickTime Pro regisitration code is if you want to play moves
>full-screen size rather than in a window ... or if you're tired of the
>nagging pop-up window.
>

> On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 09:13:30 +1300, Helpful Harry
> <helpful_ha***@nom.de.plume.com> growled these words from under a
> rock:
>
> >In article <5sf6l1djnmcp2gsdcva8lk14pq177u3***@4ax.com>, XP                                
> >
> ><xp@nospam.comn> wrote:
> >
> >> I have just been reading that you have to buy Quicktime or pay $1.99 for
> >> each
> >> movie  or Video..
> >
> >TV episodes (and music videos?) are being sold on Apple's iTunes web
> >store at $2 to $3 each. These can then be played on the computer or
> >transferred to the iPod Video.
> >
> >You don't "have to buy QuickTime" at all. You can download QuickTime
> >for free (if you own a Mac it's already installed, but you may need to
> >download the new QuickTime 7) and the only reason you'd pay for a
> >QuickTime Pro regisitration code is if you want to play moves
> >full-screen size rather than in a window ... or if you're tired of the
> >nagging pop-up window.
>
> What?!? Quicktime wont even show video in full screen?!?
>
> That's pretty crap. Typical Mac, I guess.

> > What?!? Quicktime wont even show video in full screen?!?
> >
> > That's pretty crap. Typical Mac, I guess.
>
> It has absolutely nothing to do with "Mac".
>
> It's one of the limitations that Apple have decided to put into the
> free version of QuickTime. If you pay to upgrade it to the Pro version
> you get full-screen playback (among a few other things). This is no
> different to many other companies that have a limited "free" version
> and a pay-for "pro" version.
>
> There is of course other player software that will play the movies
> full-screen.

> In article <181020051236269239%helpful_ha***@nom.de.plume.com>,
>  Helpful Harry <helpful_ha***@nom.de.plume.com> wrote:
>
> > > What?!? Quicktime wont even show video in full screen?!?
> > >
> > > That's pretty crap. Typical Mac, I guess.
> >
> > It has absolutely nothing to do with "Mac".
> >
> > It's one of the limitations that Apple have decided to put into the
> > free version of QuickTime. If you pay to upgrade it to the Pro version
> > you get full-screen playback (among a few other things). This is no
> > different to many other companies that have a limited "free" version
> > and a pay-for "pro" version.
> >
> > There is of course other player software that will play the movies
> > full-screen.
>
> You're managing to skate around the actual facts.
>
> An unregistered copy of the program "QuickTime Player" does not enable
> full screen playback.  The QuickTime library itself is perfectly capable
> of doing it, and any 20 line program you might write yourself or
> download can do so without buying QuickTime Pro.

> In article <bruce-08EC4F.16032818102***@news.clear.net.nz>, Bruce Hoult
> <br***@hoult.org> wrote:
>
>> In article <181020051236269239%helpful_ha***@nom.de.plume.com>,
>>  Helpful Harry <helpful_ha***@nom.de.plume.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> What?!? Quicktime wont even show video in full screen?!?
>>>>
>>>> That's pretty crap. Typical Mac, I guess.
>>>
>>> It has absolutely nothing to do with "Mac".
>>>
>>> It's one of the limitations that Apple have decided to put into the
>>> free version of QuickTime. If you pay to upgrade it to the Pro version
>>> you get full-screen playback (among a few other things). This is no
>>> different to many other companies that have a limited "free" version
>>> and a pay-for "pro" version.
>>>
>>> There is of course other player software that will play the movies
>>> full-screen.
>>
>> You're managing to skate around the actual facts.
>>
>> An unregistered copy of the program "QuickTime Player" does not enable
>> full screen playback.  The QuickTime library itself is perfectly capable
>> of doing it, and any 20 line program you might write yourself or
>> download can do so without buying QuickTime Pro.
>
> That's what I said. Let's try simple words:
>
>     QuickTime     = free, not play full-screen
>
>     QuickTime Pro = not free, will play full-screen
>
>     Other players = some free some not free, some will play full-screen
>
>     QuickTime not needed for iPod Video
>     QuickTime Pro not needed for iPod Video
>
>     QuickTime not "Mac". QuickTime by Apple.
>     QuickTime run on Windows too.
>
>     Other companies also have limited and "Pro" versions of software.
>
> :o)
>
>
>
> Helpful Harry   
> Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships  ;o)

> In article <171020052313164689%no@spam.invalid>, Keeper of the Purple
> Twilight <no@spam.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>>In article <181020051637588943%helpful_ha***@nom.de.plume.com>, Helpful
>>Harry <helpful_ha***@nom.de.plume.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>QuickTime Pro not needed for iPod Video
>>
>>What if you want to play video (on the iPod) that *wasn't* downloaded
>>from the Apple Store? Don't you need Pro for that? (i.e. converting to
>>H.264)
>
>
> Nope. There's no doubt there is a pile of applications that will
> convert video, or will be within weeks.  :o)
>
> Helpful Harry                  
> Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships  ;o)

"Bill Van Dyk" <tr***@christian-horizons.org> wrote in message
news:rbednWQMXohvbsneRVn-jQ@golden.net...
> Have I lost my mind or are people seriously talking about the "thrill" of
> watching video on tiny little screens.  Where and when are people going to
> watch these shows?  While jogging?  This is going to be a satisfying
> visual experience for anyone?
>
> Jobs himself thought the idea was idiotic once upon a time.  I guess the
> marketting people finally got to him, and I hope he regrets it.
>
> This is just about the stupidest technological development I have ever
> heard of.  But then, I should know better than to let my judgement cloud
> over my pocket book.  There's money to be made out there... I'm going to
> see if I can revive the umbrella hat...
>
> Helpful Harry wrote:
>> In article <171020052313164689%no@spam.invalid>, Keeper of the Purple
>> Twilight <no@spam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In article <181020051637588943%helpful_ha***@nom.de.plume.com>, Helpful
>>>Harry <helpful_ha***@nom.de.plume.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>QuickTime Pro not needed for iPod Video
>>>
>>>What if you want to play video (on the iPod) that *wasn't* downloaded
>>>from the Apple Store? Don't you need Pro for that? (i.e. converting to
>>>H.264)
>>
>>
>> Nope. There's no doubt there is a pile of applications that will
>> convert video, or will be within weeks.  :o)
>>
>> Helpful Harry                   Hopefully helping harassed humans happily
>> handle handiwork hardships  ;o)

> Whilst the visual experience may not be the best you can achieve.
> I must say I've watched and enjoyed more films in the last 2 weeks viewed on
> my 2" screened media player than I've managed to watch in the 2 years
> before.
> I can watch a film anywhere I end up with time on my hands but no access to
> a 32" TV.
> I often find it's the sound that carries a film and I've enjoyed all that
> I've watched.
> If I want to see a particular visual experience I go back and watch that
> part on DVD.
>
> "Bill Van Dyk" <tr***@christian-horizons.org> wrote in message
> news:rbednWQMXohvbsneRVn-jQ@golden.net...
>
>>Have I lost my mind or are people seriously talking about the "thrill" of
>>watching video on tiny little screens.  Where and when are people going to
>>watch these shows?  While jogging?  This is going to be a satisfying
>>visual experience for anyone?
>>
>>Jobs himself thought the idea was idiotic once upon a time.  I guess the
>>marketting people finally got to him, and I hope he regrets it.
>>
>>This is just about the stupidest technological development I have ever
>>heard of.  But then, I should know better than to let my judgement cloud
>>over my pocket book.  There's money to be made out there... I'm going to
>>see if I can revive the umbrella hat...
>>
>>Helpful Harry wrote:
>>
>>>In article <171020052313164689%no@spam.invalid>, Keeper of the Purple
>>>Twilight <no@spam.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>In article <181020051637588943%helpful_ha***@nom.de.plume.com>, Helpful
>>>>Harry <helpful_ha***@nom.de.plume.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>QuickTime Pro not needed for iPod Video
>>>>
>>>>What if you want to play video (on the iPod) that *wasn't* downloaded
>>>
>>>>from the Apple Store? Don't you need Pro for that? (i.e. converting to
>>>
>>>>H.264)
>>>
>>>
>>>Nope. There's no doubt there is a pile of applications that will
>>>convert video, or will be within weeks.  :o)
>>>
>>>Helpful Harry                   Hopefully helping harassed humans happily
>>>handle handiwork hardships  ;o)
>
>
>

"Bill Van Dyk" <tr***@christian-horizons.org> wrote in message
news:pMadnTaeje7phcjeRVn-jw@golden.net...
> See-- I have lost my mind.
>
> Nevertheless, it conjures an image in my mind of millions of people
> shuffling around our cities, ear-buds in, gazing at tiny little hand-held
> video screens, not even dimly aware of each other...
>
> It did occur to me that a screen like that might provide some weird sort
> of transient relief while waiting somewhere for a long, long time, or
> taking a long ride on a bus or subway train.  But I kept thinking that if
> there was anything worth watching on that iPod, I would immediately want
> to run home and watch it on a real screen anyway.
>
> Now, would I pay $2 to watch a movie while I ride to work on a subway?
> Would you really want to add $2.00 to every commute, or every visit to a
> doctor's office?
>
> Here we are now.  Entertain us.
>
> Pat Horridge wrote:
>> Whilst the visual experience may not be the best you can achieve.
>> I must say I've watched and enjoyed more films in the last 2 weeks viewed
>> on my 2" screened media player than I've managed to watch in the 2 years
>> before.
>> I can watch a film anywhere I end up with time on my hands but no access
>> to a 32" TV.
>> I often find it's the sound that carries a film and I've enjoyed all that
>> I've watched.
>> If I want to see a particular visual experience I go back and watch that
>> part on DVD.
>>
>> "Bill Van Dyk" <tr***@christian-horizons.org> wrote in message
>> news:rbednWQMXohvbsneRVn-jQ@golden.net...
>>
>>>Have I lost my mind or are people seriously talking about the "thrill" of
>>>watching video on tiny little screens.  Where and when are people going
>>>to watch these shows?  While jogging?  This is going to be a satisfying
>>>visual experience for anyone?
>>>
>>>Jobs himself thought the idea was idiotic once upon a time.  I guess the
>>>marketting people finally got to him, and I hope he regrets it.
>>>
>>>This is just about the stupidest technological development I have ever
>>>heard of.  But then, I should know better than to let my judgement cloud
>>>over my pocket book.  There's money to be made out there... I'm going to
>>>see if I can revive the umbrella hat...
>>>
>>>Helpful Harry wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <171020052313164689%no@spam.invalid>, Keeper of the Purple
>>>>Twilight <no@spam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>In article <181020051637588943%helpful_ha***@nom.de.plume.com>, Helpful
>>>>>Harry <helpful_ha***@nom.de.plume.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>QuickTime Pro not needed for iPod Video
>>>>>
>>>>>What if you want to play video (on the iPod) that *wasn't* downloaded
>>>>
>>>>>from the Apple Store? Don't you need Pro for that? (i.e. converting to
>>>>
>>>>>H.264)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Nope. There's no doubt there is a pile of applications that will
>>>>convert video, or will be within weeks.  :o)
>>>>
>>>>Helpful Harry                   Hopefully helping harassed humans
>>>>happily handle handiwork hardships  ;o)
>>
>>

"Bill Van Dyk" <tr***@christian-horizons.org> wrote in message
news:pMadnTaeje7phcjeRVn-jw@golden.net...
> See-- I have lost my mind.
>
> Nevertheless, it conjures an image in my mind of millions of people
> shuffling around our cities, ear-buds in, gazing at tiny little hand-held
> video screens, not even dimly aware of each other...
>
> It did occur to me that a screen like that might provide some weird sort
> of transient relief while waiting somewhere for a long, long time, or
> taking a long ride on a bus or subway train.  But I kept thinking that if
> there was anything worth watching on that iPod, I would immediately want
> to run home and watch it on a real screen anyway.
>
> Now, would I pay $2 to watch a movie while I ride to work on a subway?
> Would you really want to add $2.00 to every commute, or every visit to a
> doctor's office?
>
> Here we are now.  Entertain us.
>

>In article <4b28l1te349t43m9ib7653n5bq2clve***@4ax.com>, Not Dave
><n**@this.url> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 09:13:30 +1300, Helpful Harry
>> <helpful_ha***@nom.de.plume.com> growled these words from under a
>> rock:
>>
>> >In article <5sf6l1djnmcp2gsdcva8lk14pq177u3***@4ax.com>, XP                                
>> >
>> ><xp@nospam.comn> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I have just been reading that you have to buy Quicktime or pay $1.99 for
>> >> each
>> >> movie  or Video..
>> >
>> >TV episodes (and music videos?) are being sold on Apple's iTunes web
>> >store at $2 to $3 each. These can then be played on the computer or
>> >transferred to the iPod Video.
>> >
>> >You don't "have to buy QuickTime" at all. You can download QuickTime
>> >for free (if you own a Mac it's already installed, but you may need to
>> >download the new QuickTime 7) and the only reason you'd pay for a
>> >QuickTime Pro regisitration code is if you want to play moves
>> >full-screen size rather than in a window ... or if you're tired of the
>> >nagging pop-up window.
>>
>> What?!? Quicktime wont even show video in full screen?!?
>>
>> That's pretty crap. Typical Mac, I guess.
>
>It has absolutely nothing to do with "Mac".

> On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:36:26 +1300, Helpful Harry
> <helpful_ha***@nom.de.plume.com> growled these words from under a
> rock:
>
> >In article <4b28l1te349t43m9ib7653n5bq2clve***@4ax.com>, Not Dave
> ><n**@this.url> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 09:13:30 +1300, Helpful Harry
> >> <helpful_ha***@nom.de.plume.com> growled these words from under a
> >> rock:
> >>
> >> >In article <5sf6l1djnmcp2gsdcva8lk14pq177u3***@4ax.com>, XP                               
> >> >
> >> ><xp@nospam.comn> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I have just been reading that you have to buy Quicktime or pay $1.99 for
> >> >> each
> >> >> movie  or Video..
> >> >
> >> >TV episodes (and music videos?) are being sold on Apple's iTunes web
> >> >store at $2 to $3 each. These can then be played on the computer or
> >> >transferred to the iPod Video.
> >> >
> >> >You don't "have to buy QuickTime" at all. You can download QuickTime
> >> >for free (if you own a Mac it's already installed, but you may need to
> >> >download the new QuickTime 7) and the only reason you'd pay for a
> >> >QuickTime Pro regisitration code is if you want to play moves
> >> >full-screen size rather than in a window ... or if you're tired of the
> >> >nagging pop-up window.
> >>
> >> What?!? Quicktime wont even show video in full screen?!?
> >>
> >> That's pretty crap. Typical Mac, I guess.
> >
> >It has absolutely nothing to do with "Mac".
>
> It is the default video player bundled with the MacOS. It has
> everything to do with the Mac.
>
> Every other operating system on the planet comes with a video player
> that can show fullscreen video.
>
> >It's one of the limitations that Apple have decided to put into the
> >free version of QuickTime. If you pay to upgrade it to the Pro version
> >you get full-screen playback (among a few other things). This is no
> >different to many other companies that have a limited "free" version
> >and a pay-for "pro" version.
>
> Show me one other video player that is *that* limited, especially one
> that is bundled with an Operating System.
>
> >There is of course other player software that will play the movies
> >full-screen.
>
> Or you could just get a decent computer that comes with a player that
> is not totally crippled.

>>>>I have just been reading that you have to buy Quicktime or pay $1.99 for
>>>>each
>>>>movie  or Video..
>>>
>>>TV episodes (and music videos?) are being sold on Apple's iTunes web
>>>store at $2 to $3 each. These can then be played on the computer or
>>>transferred to the iPod Video.
>>>
>>>You don't "have to buy QuickTime" at all. You can download QuickTime
>>>for free (if you own a Mac it's already installed, but you may need to
>>>download the new QuickTime 7) and the only reason you'd pay for a
>>>QuickTime Pro regisitration code is if you want to play moves
>>>full-screen size rather than in a window ... or if you're tired of the
>>>nagging pop-up window.
>>
>>What?!? Quicktime wont even show video in full screen?!?
>>
>>That's pretty crap. Typical Mac, I guess.
>
>
> It has absolutely nothing to do with "Mac".
>
> It's one of the limitations that Apple have decided to put into the
> free version of QuickTime. If you pay to upgrade it to the Pro version
> you get full-screen playback (among a few other things). This is no
> different to many other companies that have a limited "free" version
> and a pay-for "pro" version.
>
> There is of course other player software that will play the movies
> full-screen.

>Helpful Harry wrote:
>>>>>I have just been reading that you have to buy Quicktime or pay $1.99 for
>>>>>each
>>>>>movie  or Video..
>>>>
>>>>TV episodes (and music videos?) are being sold on Apple's iTunes web
>>>>store at $2 to $3 each. These can then be played on the computer or
>>>>transferred to the iPod Video.
>>>>
>>>>You don't "have to buy QuickTime" at all. You can download QuickTime
>>>>for free (if you own a Mac it's already installed, but you may need to
>>>>download the new QuickTime 7) and the only reason you'd pay for a
>>>>QuickTime Pro regisitration code is if you want to play moves
>>>>full-screen size rather than in a window ... or if you're tired of the
>>>>nagging pop-up window.
>>>
>>>What?!? Quicktime wont even show video in full screen?!?
>>>
>>>That's pretty crap. Typical Mac, I guess.
>>
>>
>> It has absolutely nothing to do with "Mac".
>>
>> It's one of the limitations that Apple have decided to put into the
>> free version of QuickTime. If you pay to upgrade it to the Pro version
>> you get full-screen playback (among a few other things). This is no
>> different to many other companies that have a limited "free" version
>> and a pay-for "pro" version.
>>
>> There is of course other player software that will play the movies
>> full-screen.
>
>URL handy for the software pls?

> On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:28:41 +1300, Nathan Mercer <nmer***@gmail.com>
> growled these words from under a rock:
>
> >Helpful Harry wrote:
> >>>>>I have just been reading that you have to buy Quicktime or pay $1.99 for
> >>>>>each
> >>>>>movie  or Video..
> >>>>
> >>>>TV episodes (and music videos?) are being sold on Apple's iTunes web
> >>>>store at $2 to $3 each. These can then be played on the computer or
> >>>>transferred to the iPod Video.
> >>>>
> >>>>You don't "have to buy QuickTime" at all. You can download QuickTime
> >>>>for free (if you own a Mac it's already installed, but you may need to
> >>>>download the new QuickTime 7) and the only reason you'd pay for a
> >>>>QuickTime Pro regisitration code is if you want to play moves
> >>>>full-screen size rather than in a window ... or if you're tired of the
> >>>>nagging pop-up window.
> >>>
> >>>What?!? Quicktime wont even show video in full screen?!?
> >>>
> >>>That's pretty crap. Typical Mac, I guess.
> >>
> >>
> >> It has absolutely nothing to do with "Mac".
> >>
> >> It's one of the limitations that Apple have decided to put into the
> >> free version of QuickTime. If you pay to upgrade it to the Pro version
> >> you get full-screen playback (among a few other things). This is no
> >> different to many other companies that have a limited "free" version
> >> and a pay-for "pro" version.
> >>
> >> There is of course other player software that will play the movies
> >> full-screen.
> >
> >URL handy for the software pls?
>
> This one's quite good:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/default.aspx
>
> Not sure if it runs on the Mac, though.

> Helpful Harry wrote:
> >>>>I have just been reading that you have to buy Quicktime or pay $1.99 for
> >>>>each
> >>>>movie  or Video..
> >>>
> >>>TV episodes (and music videos?) are being sold on Apple's iTunes web
> >>>store at $2 to $3 each. These can then be played on the computer or
> >>>transferred to the iPod Video.
> >>>
> >>>You don't "have to buy QuickTime" at all. You can download QuickTime
> >>>for free (if you own a Mac it's already installed, but you may need to
> >>>download the new QuickTime 7) and the only reason you'd pay for a
> >>>QuickTime Pro regisitration code is if you want to play moves
> >>>full-screen size rather than in a window ... or if you're tired of the
> >>>nagging pop-up window.
> >>
> >>What?!? Quicktime wont even show video in full screen?!?
> >>
> >>That's pretty crap. Typical Mac, I guess.
> >
> >
> > It has absolutely nothing to do with "Mac".
> >
> > It's one of the limitations that Apple have decided to put into the
> > free version of QuickTime. If you pay to upgrade it to the Pro version
> > you get full-screen playback (among a few other things). This is no
> > different to many other companies that have a limited "free" version
> > and a pay-for "pro" version.
> >
> > There is of course other player software that will play the movies
> > full-screen.
>
> URL handy for the software pls?

> Helpful Harry <helpful_ha***@nom.de.plume.com> writes:
>
> >It's one of the limitations that Apple have decided to put into the
> >free version of QuickTime. If you pay to upgrade it to the Pro version
> >you get full-screen playback (among a few other things). This is no
> >different to many other companies that have a limited "free" version
> >and a pay-for "pro" version.
>
> It's also apparently a recent change.  I can remember when Quicktime
> player would do full-screen with CNTL-3.  It was an obvious extension
> to CNTL-0 for half size, CNTL-1 for normal size, and CNTL-2 for double
> size - which still work.
>
>  Dave

"sbt" <dogbre***@chaseabone.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:181020051535034505%dogbreath@chaseabone.com.invalid...
> In article <dj3srf$hi***@mughi.cs.ubc.ca>, Dave Martindale
> <da***@cs.ubc.ca> wrote:
>
>> Helpful Harry <helpful_ha***@nom.de.plume.com> writes:
>>
>> >It's one of the limitations that Apple have decided to put into the
>> >free version of QuickTime. If you pay to upgrade it to the Pro version
>> >you get full-screen playback (among a few other things). This is no
>> >different to many other companies that have a limited "free" version
>> >and a pay-for "pro" version.
>>
>> It's also apparently a recent change.  I can remember when Quicktime
>> player would do full-screen with CNTL-3.  It was an obvious extension
>> to CNTL-0 for half size, CNTL-1 for normal size, and CNTL-2 for double
>> size - which still work.
>>
>>  Dave
>
> Not that recent -- I believe it was at the move from QT3 to QT4
> (predating OS X).
>
> Again, it is not a limitation of QuickTime, but of the "free" QuickTime
> Player application -- you can write any number of applications that
> call the QuickTime APIs and present movies full-screen without
> upgrading to Pro. Why they put this limitation on the player app is
> something only the honchos at Apple could tell you.

On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:30:06 +1300, "Gary L T" <gar***@it.net> wrote:

>Can anyone tell me what type of video files the iPod will recognise?
>
>If you have .avi files from downloading your home movies to your
>hard drive, do you have to convert these to MPEG4 or similar?
>
>Can anyone tell me how to convert .avi files to a format that
>the Apple video ipod will recognise?
>
>Thanks for your help.
>