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I have the perfect camera... Now what do I do for audio!
Just spent $1100 for a new Panasonic GS400 and I have to say the image this camera delivers is very, very good. Comparable to a GL2 and very close to Sony VX/PD cams. For the money, most bang for the buck, it is the best deal out there in the Mini-DV 3CCD realm. Aside from the great image quality, I really bought this camera for the audio. You can switch the AGC off and go totally manual with this camera, monitoring manual audio levels on the LCD monitor. Something you can't do with a Canon GL1 or Sony VX2000, TRV900 etc., This is SO critical for getting decent audio. SO, that being said. This camera has a mini-jack that will supply phantom power. What mic set up would be decent with this camera. Is there a microphone (perferably shotgun) out there that is as great a value as this camera? I know particular cameras respond diffferently to different external mics, I'm hoping someone out there also has a GS400 and is willing to share mic info. Thanks. YKWTFIA youknowwhothef*ck***@6url.com wrote:
> I can do it with my TRV 900> Aside from the great image quality, I really bought this camera for the > audio. You can switch the AGC off and go totally manual with this > camera, monitoring manual audio levels on the LCD monitor. Something > you can't do with a Canon GL1 or Sony VX2000, TRV900 etc., This is SO > critical for getting decent audio. > > SO, that being said. This camera has a mini-jack that will supply I like the Azden SGM 1X but you need to adapt the XLR to mini stereo > phantom power. What mic set up would be decent with this camera. > plug and block the DC out on the mini-jack. -Bill --
Tzortzakakis Dimitrios major in electrical engineering, freelance electrician FH von Iraklion-Kreta, freiberuflicher Elektriker dimtzort AT otenet DOT gr ? "Captain Slick" <CaptainSl***@verizon.net> ?????? ??? ?????? news:wh1We.16814$626.9439@trndny08...Show quoteHide quote > youknowwhothef*ck***@6url.com wrote: It's very easy to block with a capacitor, but I don't think it's worth the> > > > > Aside from the great image quality, I really bought this camera for the > > audio. You can switch the AGC off and go totally manual with this > > camera, monitoring manual audio levels on the LCD monitor. Something > > you can't do with a Canon GL1 or Sony VX2000, TRV900 etc., This is SO > > critical for getting decent audio. > > > I can do it with my TRV 900 > > > SO, that being said. This camera has a mini-jack that will supply > > phantom power. What mic set up would be decent with this camera. > > > > I like the Azden SGM 1X but you need to adapt the XLR to mini stereo > plug and block the DC out on the mini-jack. > effort.At that price range, the camera must have an excellent microphone.(anyway, Xc=1/(omega*C), where Xc=0 for that frequency range, also audio frequencies, to allow them pass while blocking the DC, and omega is 2*(pi)*f, frequency in Hz.Just for comparison, the capacitor for FM and UHF is 1 nF, and for old-fashioned AM is 100 nF, at audio frequencies should be at uF range). Dimitrios Tzortzakakis wrote:
> It's very easy to block with a capacitor, but I don't think it's worth the Hi Dimitrios,> effort.At that price range, the camera must have an excellent > microphone.(anyway, Xc=1/(omega*C), where Xc=0 for that frequency range, > also audio frequencies, to allow them pass while blocking the DC, and omega > is 2*(pi)*f, frequency in Hz.Just for comparison, the capacitor for FM and > UHF is 1 nF, and for old-fashioned AM is 100 nF, at audio frequencies should > be at uF range). I should have said, "buy an adapter that adapts XLR balanced to unbalanced and blocks the DC like the XLR Pro" I have a TRV900 but still use the Azden for far superior audio. -Bill On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 09:02:23 -0400, Dimitrios Tzortzakakis wrote
(in article <dgbrdm$mo***@usenet.otenet.gr>): Show quoteHide quote > Trew Audio's Remote Audio subsidiary sells this cable. They have one for One > > -- > Tzortzakakis Dimitrios > major in electrical engineering, freelance electrician > FH von Iraklion-Kreta, freiberuflicher Elektriker > dimtzort AT otenet DOT gr > ? "Captain Slick" <CaptainSl***@verizon.net> ?????? ??? ?????? > news:wh1We.16814$626.9439@trndny08... >> youknowwhothef*ck***@6url.com wrote: >> >>> >>> Aside from the great image quality, I really bought this camera for the >>> audio. You can switch the AGC off and go totally manual with this >>> camera, monitoring manual audio levels on the LCD monitor. Something >>> you can't do with a Canon GL1 or Sony VX2000, TRV900 etc., This is SO >>> critical for getting decent audio. >>> >> I can do it with my TRV 900 >> >>> SO, that being said. This camera has a mini-jack that will supply >>> phantom power. What mic set up would be decent with this camera. >>> >> >> I like the Azden SGM 1X but you need to adapt the XLR to mini stereo >> plug and block the DC out on the mini-jack. >> > It's very easy to block with a capacitor, but I don't think it's worth the > effort.At that price range, the camera must have an excellent > microphone.(anyway, Xc=1/(omega*C), where Xc=0 for that frequency range, > also audio frequencies, to allow them pass while blocking the DC, and omega > is 2*(pi)*f, frequency in Hz.Just for comparison, the capacitor for FM and > UHF is 1 nF, and for old-fashioned AM is 100 nF, at audio frequencies should > be at uF range). > > > mic and one for two. Contact Trew on the web or in Nashville or Toronto. Ty Ford -- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric stuff are at www.tyford.com On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:14:52 -0400, Captain Slick wrote
(in article <wh1We.16814$626.9439@trndny08>): Show quoteHide quote > youknowwhothef*ck***@6url.com wrote: Really. A mini jack with 48V DC? Sure it's not just bias voltage?> >> >> Aside from the great image quality, I really bought this camera for the >> audio. You can switch the AGC off and go totally manual with this >> camera, monitoring manual audio levels on the LCD monitor. Something >> you can't do with a Canon GL1 or Sony VX2000, TRV900 etc., This is SO >> critical for getting decent audio. >> > I can do it with my TRV 900 > >> SO, that being said. This camera has a mini-jack that will supply >> phantom power. What mic set up would be decent with this camera. >> > > I like the Azden SGM 1X but you need to adapt the XLR to mini stereo > plug and block the DC out on the mini-jack. > > -Bill > Ty Ford -- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric stuff are at www.tyford.com Ty Ford wrote:
>>I like the Azden SGM 1X but you need to adapt the XLR to mini stereo It's not 48V phantom power but typically 3-6 volts to power the consumer >>plug and block the DC out on the mini-jack. >> >> -Bill >> > > > Really. A mini jack with 48V DC? Sure it's not just bias voltage? > > Ty Ford > electret condenser mics. -Bill <youknowwhothef*ck***@6url.com> wrote in message
news:1126717870.699865.31170@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... Of course you can do this with a VX2000. I'm glad you're happy with your> Group(s), > > Just spent $1100 for a new Panasonic GS400 and I have to say the image > this camera delivers is very, very good. Comparable to a GL2 and very > close to Sony VX/PD cams. For the money, most bang for the buck, it is > the best deal out there in the Mini-DV 3CCD realm. > > Aside from the great image quality, I really bought this camera for the > audio. You can switch the AGC off and go totally manual with this > camera, monitoring manual audio levels on the LCD monitor. Something > you can't do with a Canon GL1 or Sony VX2000, TRV900 etc., This is SO > critical for getting decent audio. camera and, of course, if it fits your purposes it's the "right" camera. It is not, however, comparable to a VX2000/2100. > If you're serious about audio, you'll want to get an accessory box that will> SO, that being said. This camera has a mini-jack that will supply > phantom power. What mic set up would be decent with this camera. > > Is there a microphone (perferably shotgun) out there that is as great a > value as this camera? > > I know particular cameras respond diffferently to different external > mics, I'm hoping someone out there also has a GS400 and is willing to > share mic info. let you use balanced-line (XLR) mikes. They're made for prosumer 'corders, and there are probably some out there for your machine. Show quoteHide quote > > Thanks. > YKWTFIA > So much for my knowledge, I actually had a VX2000 for half a day for a
second unit shoot (visual only) and didn't get to messing with it enough to see that it had manual audio. Same deal for the TRV900. Oh well, I couldn't afford a VX2000/2100 and wouldn't want to risk money on a used TRV900, although I am sure there are some solid units out there. It's sad that Sony decided to make things worse with each geneartion of consumer cams. The TRV900 to 950 was no upgrade. Ditto for the Digital 8 offerings. My TRV730 Dig8 gives a really solid image. Sucky audio though... Seriously, the GS400 is very close to a VX2000 in image quality. Not quite there, losses to it in low light by a bit, but the GS400 gives a marginally better image than a Canon GL2. YKWTFIA Does anyone have any input for the Sony HDR-FX1 considering it doesn't
have XLR inputs? Given this, what do you do for great audio? Thanks, Bryce "bd" wrote ...
> Does anyone have any input for the Sony HDR-FX1 For nearly 80 years they've been using "double-system" sound.> considering it doesn't have XLR inputs? Given this, > what do you do for great audio? Yeah, but for a run and gun shooter, this is impossible.
But, one hand on the camera, shooting, one hand on a short shotgun mic, no shock mount, headphones on, does better than you would think... If you are 10-20 feet away, you can do it all, it isn't as tough as you'd think. You actually fall into a groove of matching image and sound. If you mispoint or mishandle the mic, you hear it, shout "go again" and keep rolling. BUT, getting that decent shotgun and a camera with no AGC at a reasonable price is tough! Panasonic GS400 plus ?Mic? = THE SOLUTION Still waiting to hear if anybody has a GS400 and Mic and their comments on the match up... Don't let me be the test animal... YKWTFIA I've had decent results with my AT shotgun.
Of course, it's no schoeps . . . Steve <youknowwhothef*ck***@6url.com> wrote in message Show quoteHide quote news:1126841512.700726.316060@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Yeah, but for a run and gun shooter, this is impossible. > > But, one hand on the camera, shooting, one hand on a short shotgun mic, > no shock mount, headphones on, does better than you would think... > > If you are 10-20 feet away, you can do it all, it isn't as tough as > you'd think. > > You actually fall into a groove of matching image and sound. If you > mispoint or mishandle the mic, you hear it, shout "go again" and keep > rolling. > > BUT, getting that decent shotgun and a camera with no AGC at a > reasonable price is tough! > > Panasonic GS400 plus ?Mic? = THE SOLUTION > > Still waiting to hear if anybody has a GS400 and Mic and their comments > on the match up... > > Don't let me be the test animal... > > YKWTFIA > On 15 Sep 2005 19:37:00 -0700, in 'rec.video.desktop',
in article <Re: I have the perfect camera... Now what do I do for audio!>, "bd" <bryce.doo***@gmail.com> wrote: Bryce, you might want to take a look at the BeachTek model DXA-8>Does anyone have any input for the Sony HDR-FX1 considering it doesn't >have XLR inputs? Given this, what do you do for great audio? > >Thanks, >Bryce adapter. It attaches to the bottom of the camcorder, runs on a single 9 volt alkaline battery, and weights 2 pounds. http://www.beachtek.com/dxa8.html The alternative is to upgrade to an HVR-Z1 series camcorder. :) Good luck! -- Frank, Independent Consultant, New York, NY [Please remove 'nojunkmail.' from address to reply via e-mail.] Read Frank's thoughts on HDV at http://www.humanvalues.net/hdv/ "Frank" wrote ...
> "bd" wrote: But it can't do anything to counteract the effect of ALC>>Does anyone have any input for the Sony HDR-FX1 considering it doesn't >>have XLR inputs? Given this, what do you do for great audio? >> > Bryce, you might want to take a look at the BeachTek model DXA-8 > adapter. It attaches to the bottom of the camcorder, runs on a single > 9 volt alkaline battery, and weights 2 pounds. > > http://www.beachtek.com/dxa8.html in the camcorder. On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:40:15 -0700, in 'rec.video.production',
in article <Re: I have the perfect camera... Now what do I do for audio!>, Show quoteHide quote "Richard Crowley" <rcrow***@xpr7t.net> wrote: Which may be why, Mr. Crowley, I mentioned the HVR-Z1 as an>"Frank" wrote ... >> "bd" wrote: >>>Does anyone have any input for the Sony HDR-FX1 considering it doesn't >>>have XLR inputs? Given this, what do you do for great audio? >>> >> Bryce, you might want to take a look at the BeachTek model DXA-8 >> adapter. It attaches to the bottom of the camcorder, runs on a single >> 9 volt alkaline battery, and weights 2 pounds. >> >> http://www.beachtek.com/dxa8.html > >But it can't do anything to counteract the effect of ALC >in the camcorder. alternative. :) It seems that a number of people purchased the HDR-FX1/HDR-FX1E as soon as it hit the market, only to later trade it in for an HVR-Z1 model in order to get the balanced XLR audio input capability. -- Frank, Independent Consultant, New York, NY [Please remove 'nojunkmail.' from address to reply via e-mail.] Read Frank's thoughts on HDV at http://www.humanvalues.net/hdv/ On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 22:37:00 -0400, bd wrote
(in article <1126838220.046030.126***@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>): > Does anyone have any input for the Sony HDR-FX1 considering it doesn't Well first, the audio on both all HDV cams is not linear pcm, it's 384 kbps > have XLR inputs? Given this, what do you do for great audio? > > Thanks, > Bryce > stereo MPEG 2. That's about 25% of the data of a linear stream. For truly great audio, you'd want to double record. Ty Ford -- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric stuff are at www.tyford.com 
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