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Mitsubishi WD52725 - 480p DVD video problems - please help
LCD 50 and 52" HDTVs, I decided to buy a Mitsubishi. Since the model I wanted was sold out, I was offered a WD52725 open box in the back for $1500. None of the stores I went to would hook up a progressive scan DVD player to any TVs, but they all said it would look sharp and clear -- almost as good as the HDTV landscape channels they were showing. When I got it home and plugged in basic analog cable from the wall, as I expected I could not get any HDTV channels on the ATSC tuner. I hooked up my Panasonic DVD-S27 progressive scan player in 480p mode using the component video connection, and I did my best to adjust the settings (there are surprisingly few on this TV). Unfortunately every DVD I played looked bad. The picture was almost as dull and fuzzy as the very first rear projection TVs I avoided 5 years ago. To get a picture even close to watchable, I had to crank the sharpness, contrast, and brightness almost to max. Even then the picture was too dark, too soft and the colors washed out during movie playback, but for some reason static DVD menus looked nice and sharp. From the Return of the King to Ice Age to whatever movie I tried, I could barely stand the picture. My 5-year old $700 36" Toshiba direct view tube TV makes the picture on this Mitsubishi look like a joke. Considering the HDTVs looked so good in the stores, I'm assuming I must be doing something wrong or have gotten a defective unit. Does anyone have any ideas what could be wrong before I send this unit back as defective and try a new Sony KDFE50A10 for $500 more? I really would like to be able to keep this set for $1500 if it were watchable. I could live with the loud fan noise (even when the TV is off) and numerous specks of dirt trapped under the screen, but not this dull picture. Never having seen progressive scan 480p on a DLP or LCD HDTV, am I wrong to expect clarity and sharpness like a HDTV broadcast or close to my old Toshiba tube TV? Something is very wrong. You should be getting an eye-popping picture
and fabulous sound. There could be a problem with your DVD player. Is it known good with another HDTV set? Otherwise, get rid of that crappy HDTV set and get a good one. Bye. I agree, you should have a picture that looks nearly like HD.
I purchased an open box 35" panasonic standard def. TV a few years back. It too was the only one available. When I got home it had a big problem with the brightness and contrast adjust, sounds almost like the problem you're seeing. I took it back the next day. I haven't purchased an open box item since then(lugging a 200lb + object around tends to make an impression :) :) ) Show quoteHide quote "Crunchy Doodle" <CrunchyDoo***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1125917774.425063.286780@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > Something is very wrong. You should be getting an eye-popping picture > and fabulous sound. There could be a problem with your DVD player. Is > it known good with another HDTV set? Otherwise, get rid of that crappy > HDTV set and get a good one. > > Bye. > That's what I was told when I bought it, i.e. that progressive scan
DVD movies at 480p should look almost as good as the HDTV channel they were playing on all the TVs at the store. So I guess these things must go defective often. I've never tried an open box TV before, and I guess this experience shows why. I've read a few posts where at least a couple people were saying how crappy they thought the HDTVs in stores look and how so many of them were open box. That's how I think my current DVD looks. However, the HDTV channel played on these TVs looks pretty good. In my opinion, the stores cause a lot of returns by refusing to play anything but a single HDTV channel rather than movies on DVD which is what I'd think most people would want to use to judge a TV. I got free delivery, but I was told if I return it I would get stuck with the $60 in delivery fees. Assuming I don't have to pay that fee twice, I may have them exchange out the Mitsubishi for a new, more expensive Sony 50" 3LCD model, and if that is also crappy I'll know it's just that HDTVs don't do a very good job with 480p DVD movies and I'll consider it a $60 lesson to keep avoiding projection TVs of any type (DLP or LCD). Show quoteHide quote On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 05:47:28 -0700, "dj" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote: > I agree, you should have a picture that looks nearly like HD. > I purchased an open box 35" panasonic standard def. TV a few years back. >It too was the only one available. When I got home it had a big problem >with the brightness and contrast adjust, sounds almost like the problem >you're seeing. I took it back the next day. I haven't purchased an open >box item since then(lugging a 200lb + object around tends to make an >impression :) :) ) On 5 Sep 2005 03:56:14 -0700, "Crunchy Doodle"
<CrunchyDoo***@gmail.com> wrote: >Something is very wrong. You should be getting an eye-popping picture That's what I thought (about something being very wrong). I don't>and fabulous sound. There could be a problem with your DVD player. Is >it known good with another HDTV set? Otherwise, get rid of that crappy >HDTV set and get a good one. think the Mitsubishi WD52725 is considered a crappy HDTV set, but maybe it is defective being an open box item as another poster suggested. Unfortunately at the price I paid I don't have the option of trying another one. I can either swap for a new, lower-end WD52327 or pay $500 more for a Sony KDFE50A10. I'll probably go with the latter, and if that doesn't work, give up on any type of projection TV and lose the delivery fees I paid. My DVD player is not known good with another HDTV set simply because I've never had a HDTV nor do I know anyone who will let me use their HDTV set for testing. I assumed that any progressive scan DVD player (such as the Panasonic DVD-S27 I have) would work fine with any HDTV. Are Panasonics known to be problematic in progressive scan? Unfortunately I don't have another progressive scan player either. I went to Best Buy (where I couldn't get waited on) and looked at some of the DLP and LCD sets playing some HDTV movie preview channel. As usual, they all looked so much sharper than my DVD movies. It's too bad that all stores in my area refuse to let people view DVD movies on these sets. Never having seen a progressive scan DVD played on any HDTV makes it hard for me to know what to expect. This set will probably end up going back not because I want that but because I seem to be on my own and all I know is it's too painful to watch anything on this set with such a murky and grainy picture. John,
One other possibility is the component output setting on your DVD deck. Be sure it's set to 480P, not 480I or NTSC. The TV may not handle component 480I well. Show quoteHide quote "John" <John@no.spam> wrote in message news:431bafc4.2622281731@news.west.cox.net... > After seeing the sharp and colorful HDTV pictures on various DLP and > LCD 50 and 52" HDTVs, I decided to buy a Mitsubishi. Since the model I > wanted was sold out, I was offered a WD52725 open box in the back for > $1500. None of the stores I went to would hook up a progressive scan > DVD player to any TVs, but they all said it would look sharp and clear > -- almost as good as the HDTV landscape channels they were showing. > > When I got it home and plugged in basic analog cable from the wall, as > I expected I could not get any HDTV channels on the ATSC tuner. I > hooked up my Panasonic DVD-S27 progressive scan player in 480p mode > using the component video connection, and I did my best to adjust the > settings (there are surprisingly few on this TV). Unfortunately every > DVD I played looked bad. The picture was almost as dull and fuzzy as > the very first rear projection TVs I avoided 5 years ago. > > To get a picture even close to watchable, I had to crank the > sharpness, contrast, and brightness almost to max. Even then the > picture was too dark, too soft and the colors washed out during movie > playback, but for some reason static DVD menus looked nice and sharp. > From the Return of the King to Ice Age to whatever movie I tried, I > could barely stand the picture. My 5-year old $700 36" Toshiba direct > view tube TV makes the picture on this Mitsubishi look like a joke. > > Considering the HDTVs looked so good in the stores, I'm assuming I > must be doing something wrong or have gotten a defective unit. > > Does anyone have any ideas what could be wrong before I send this unit > back as defective and try a new Sony KDFE50A10 for $500 more? I really > would like to be able to keep this set for $1500 if it were watchable. > I could live with the loud fan noise (even when the TV is off) and > numerous specks of dirt trapped under the screen, but not this dull > picture. > > Never having seen progressive scan 480p on a DLP or LCD HDTV, am I > wrong to expect clarity and sharpness like a HDTV broadcast or close > to my old Toshiba tube TV? On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 17:36:07 -0700, "dj" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote: Yes, I made sure of the most basic settings. I tried S-video vs.>John, > One other possibility is the component output setting on your DVD deck. >Be sure it's set to 480P, not 480I or NTSC. The TV may not handle component >480I well. component, 480p vs. 480i, 16x9 vs. 4:3 Letterbox, 2 different DVD players (both Panasonics though), every transfer mode, and everything else I could think of. As I mentioned in my previous post, I couldn't see a big difference between 480p and 480i, but the TV clearly said "480p Standard" or "480i Standard". All that's left for me to try is Dan's 52725 settings. If they don't improve it, I'm going to try the Sony KDFE50A10 (as long as the store doesn't ding me more double delivery fees for that exchange) and if that fails I'll give up on HDTVs for a while longer. John@no.spam (John) wrote in news:431eb083.2753544868@news.west.cox.net: Out of the box my 52725 had a distinct green tinge in dark scenes also in > On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 17:36:07 -0700, "dj" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote: > All that's left for me to try is Dan's 52725 settings. If they don't > improve it, I'm going to try the Sony KDFE50A10 (as long as the store > doesn't ding me more double delivery fees for that exchange) and if > that fails I'll give up on HDTVs for a while longer. > SD there was a halo around people's faces. You have to do the settings for each input. Hope this info helps. On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 17:17:57 GMT, Dan Warren
<dwarren2.nospam@rochester.xx.rr.com> wrote: >John@no.spam (John) wrote: Dan, I think my 52725 came the same way as yours. The yellows are>> On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 17:36:07 -0700, "dj" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote: > >> All that's left for me to try is Dan's 52725 settings. If they don't >> improve it, I'm going to try the Sony KDFE50A10 (as long as the store >> doesn't ding me more double delivery fees for that exchange) and if >> that fails I'll give up on HDTVs for a while longer. >> >Out of the box my 52725 had a distinct green tinge in dark scenes also in >SD there was a halo around people's faces. You have to do the settings for >each input. greenish, and no matter what I tried with my own settings or using all of your suggested settings, I could not get acceptable yellows, and I'm so used to watching The Simpsons as yellow that seeing them greenish made it unwatchable. I even compared S-video to component with all the same settings... I saw no significant difference (S-video was slightly less sharp). Your settings did improve the graininess/blockiness a bit and made things look better overall at the sacrifice of brightness, but even with your better settings this set isn't good enough for me to watch in SD (480p DVDs). I even bought an official 8' Monster component cable for $45 (which I will be returning soon) as a few people at work told me the 3 6-foot 75 ohm video cables (made in China) that I bought at $3 each might be the cause of my poor picture. I was skeptical of that, but I wanted to say I had tried every possibility. Exactly as I expected, I couldn't notice any difference in picture quality between the Monster component cables vs. my cheap video cables. I already called the store and they are supposed to call me when they get some Sony KDFE50A10 TVs in stock. After the fact, the salesman told me I may be expecting too much from a HD RPTV in 480p mode. This time they may allow me to bring my DVD player to try on the Sony in-store once they get them in stock. Unless the Sony is a lot better than the Mitsubishi (which I doubt) in SD mode, I'll probably go back to my 5 year old 36" Toshiba tube TV and be out $60 for the delivery. Dan, I assume that either you are able to watch 480p DVDs on your 52725 with the settings you posted or you mainly use your TV for watching HD channels? In the store, HD looked great on these sets, but at home I can't get HD and SD looks pretty bad, and I found that non-anamorphic SD DVDs looked even worse than the anamorphic ones. With those I could see double-edges on many horizontal lines, even on good transfers. I appreciate your and everyone else's help on this. John@no.spam (John) wrote in news:431f0776.2841339870@news.west.cox.net: Actually we watch a lot of SD TV. Question, is it just your dvd's that > > > Dan, I assume that either you are able to watch 480p DVDs on your > 52725 with the settings you posted or you mainly use your TV for > watching HD channels? look bad or do you have the same problem on other inputs. Did you do the calibrations for each video source? Did you change the ouput from the DVD player to 480P?
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John@no.spam (John) wrote in news:431bafc4.2622281731@news.west.cox.net: Try these settings. They come from the AVS forum. Basically what I've > After seeing the sharp and colorful HDTV pictures on various DLP and > LCD 50 and 52" HDTVs, I decided to buy a Mitsubishi. Since the model I > wanted was sold out, I was offered a WD52725 open box in the back for > $1500. None of the stores I went to would hook up a progressive scan > DVD player to any TVs, but they all said it would look sharp and clear > -- almost as good as the HDTV landscape channels they were showing. > > When I got it home and plugged in basic analog cable from the wall, as > I expected I could not get any HDTV channels on the ATSC tuner. I > hooked up my Panasonic DVD-S27 progressive scan player in 480p mode > using the component video connection, and I did my best to adjust the > settings (there are surprisingly few on this TV). Unfortunately every > DVD I played looked bad. The picture was almost as dull and fuzzy as > the very first rear projection TVs I avoided 5 years ago. > > To get a picture even close to watchable, I had to crank the > sharpness, contrast, and brightness almost to max. Even then the > picture was too dark, too soft and the colors washed out during movie > playback, used on my 52725 Magenta 36 Red 40 Yellow 29 Green 41 Cyan 33 Blue 31 Contrast 29 Brightness 46 Sharpness 21 Temp Low Tint 28 Color 32 V Noise std Edge on You get to the color settings via the set up menu. On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 11:55:50 GMT, Dan Warren
<dwarren2.nospam@rochester.xx.rr.com> wrote: Show quoteHide quote >Try these settings. They come from the AVS forum. Basically what I've Thanks. I'll try these settings tonight.>used on my 52725 > >Magenta 36 >Red 40 >Yellow 29 >Green 41 >Cyan 33 >Blue 31 > >Contrast 29 >Brightness 46 >Sharpness 21 >Temp Low >Tint 28 >Color 32 >V Noise std >Edge on > >You get to the color settings via the set up menu. By the way, as a followup to previous posts, I spent 2 more hours trying to adjust the TV without having the above numbers. I was able to borrow another progressive scan DVD player, but it was still a Panasonic brand like mine... just a slightly older model. Both Panasonics had identical pictures once I figured out how to enable 480p mode. I tried every possible picture mode on the DVD player. The 52725 looked almost identical in either 480i or 480p mode. I think the sharpness improved slightly in 480p, but the graininess also got worse. My most significant test was comparing the same movies with my old Toshiba 36" direct view tube TV next to the 52725. I did my best to adjust the colors and every possible setting, and I could not get close to the Toshiba's sharpness and color. In particular, I couldn't get good yellows no matter what I did to every color, and when I watched the Simpsons they were greenish instead of yellow. I also tried Hatari (a fairly grainy old movie) and the grain was slightly noticeable on my Toshiba 36" but looked terrible on the Mits. It seemed like every piece of grain was magnified greatly to the point a little cluster of "dancing" grain on the Toshiba looked like a cauldron of dark bubbling specks on the Mits. I assume it's the TV's digital circuitry causing this. I'll try Dan's settings tonight as my "last ditch" attempt to make the 52725 watchable, but short of a miracle my family and I agree in the comparison that my old Toshiba makes the Mits look pretty weak. Whether or not the Sony 3LCD will solve these problems or if RP HDTVs just aren't up to my fussy standards (at least for non-HD video sources) remains to be seen. Maybe I "jumped the gun" too soon and should wait a few years until HD-DVDs are plentiful. Maybe no stores in my area play DVD movies or analog cable on these HDTVs for precisely the reason I observed (that they look so bad). Just my opinions. John wrote:
Show quoteHide quote > On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 11:55:50 GMT, Dan Warren Be sure to record your current settings before you change anything. All > <dwarren2.nospam@rochester.xx.rr.com> wrote: > >>Try these settings. They come from the AVS forum. Basically what I've >>used on my 52725 >> >>Magenta 36 >>Red 40 >>Yellow 29 >>Green 41 >>Cyan 33 >>Blue 31 >> >>Contrast 29 >>Brightness 46 >>Sharpness 21 >>Temp Low >>Tint 28 >>Color 32 >>V Noise std >>Edge on >> >>You get to the color settings via the set up menu. > > > Thanks. I'll try these settings tonight. > of these settings are relative to the individual display, not against an external standard. You might get very different results when using settings derived from a different display. -- Matthew "All you need to start an asylum is an empty room and the right kind of people" -- Alexander Bullock ("My Man Godfrey" 1936) 
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