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betacam or digital?
main camera to this point is a sony dxc-d50 BETA CAM. The director wants a second beta cam. I am thinking digital would be better. we did a comparison of the dxc-d50 and a sony PD 150 and trv900 and panasonic dvx100a and they all got their respective clocks cleaned by the D50. 2/3" ccd and precision glass probably made the difference. at any rate, what would be the advantage of going digital? or even hi def? we do lots of green screen and compositing and currently capture with a digisuite LE with premiere 6.0 and a dual processor G5 with a AJA iola analog to digital converter. capturing uncompressed with the digisuite is fine but the G5 is usually capturing in dv ntsc which is not too good for compositing. it can capture uncompressed analog but the file size is huge and after three layers in final cut frame drops occur. so we'll usually use dv but that crimps the compositing stuff we do. any suggestions?
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On 13/7/05 3:53 PM, "resse" <brian.l***@mailcity.com> wrote: Consider DigiBeta gear. You can always just change out the DXCD50's VTR with> Hi, we built a TV studio and have about 12k to buy a second camera. our > main camera to this point is a sony dxc-d50 BETA CAM. The director > wants a second beta cam. I am thinking digital would be better. we did > a comparison of the dxc-d50 and a sony PD 150 and trv900 and panasonic > dvx100a and they all got their respective clocks cleaned by the D50. > 2/3" ccd and precision glass probably made the difference. at any rate, > what would be the advantage of going digital? or even hi def? we do > lots of green screen and compositing and currently capture with a > digisuite LE with premiere 6.0 and a dual processor G5 with a AJA iola > analog to digital converter. capturing uncompressed with the digisuite > is fine but the G5 is usually capturing in dv ntsc which is not too > good for compositing. it can capture uncompressed analog but the file > size is huge and after three layers in final cut frame drops occur. so > we'll usually use dv but that crimps the compositing stuff we do. any > suggestions? > a DigiBeta VTR; this give you (theoretically) lossless tape dubs and such. If you're serious about greenscreening, I wouldn't even use a VTR on the D50, I'd get a studio back and just run uncompressed SDI to the computer. As you've found out, DV kills the chroma signal so you really need 4:2:2 at the LEAST (which, incidentally, is what DigiBeta will give you. Not much point having one high def camera in a studio, you should ideally have identical or near-identical cameras in a multicam situation. What you could do is in future if you're looking to do field work convert the D50 to an EFP rig (portable VTR, batteries, EFP lens etc) and get a HD studio camera. Hope that's some help. resse wrote:
Show quoteHide quote > Hi, we built a TV studio and have about 12k to buy a second camera. our If it were me I'd buy another betacam. Or a used DXC D30 because you can > main camera to this point is a sony dxc-d50 BETA CAM. The director > wants a second beta cam. I am thinking digital would be better. we did > a comparison of the dxc-d50 and a sony PD 150 and trv900 and panasonic > dvx100a and they all got their respective clocks cleaned by the D50. > 2/3" ccd and precision glass probably made the difference. at any rate, > what would be the advantage of going digital? or even hi def? we do > lots of green screen and compositing and currently capture with a > digisuite LE with premiere 6.0 and a dual processor G5 with a AJA iola > analog to digital converter. capturing uncompressed with the digisuite > is fine but the G5 is usually capturing in dv ntsc which is not too > good for compositing. it can capture uncompressed analog but the file > size is huge and after three layers in final cut frame drops occur. so > we'll usually use dv but that crimps the compositing stuff we do. any > suggestions? > put a beta or DVcam deck on the back. The reason I'd try to get the same type of camera is so that they can match them for two camera shoots. I'd look at your AtoD conversion. I'm taking betacam into my G4 with timecode and it works perfectly while digitizing and in FCP. I think you may be set up incorrectly if you are getting frame drops. You might want to look at Timeline, preferences and batch settings to be sure they all agree on which type of timecode you want to use. I'm very serious when I say I never have dropped frames. And I go up to 6 video layers sometimes in FCP. Most serious layer stuff goes to after effects. I'm also looking at a firewire AtoD solution that looks pretty good. Under $800 it still has timecode and will work with my G4 laptop and external hard drives. That brings us to the last point. Huge file sizes are fine with me as external hard drives (250gig) are well under $250 now. I'm even archiving my shows and raw footage on external hard drives in case they're needed later. One show I did has all raw footage (about 19 hours) all graphics, after effects files and the master FCP edit project. There is still some room left over. I simply hate digitizing so once it's there I'll archive it! Bill |
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