way old stuff on people's shelves...

16 May 2005 2:39 AM

C.J.Patten

LOL! Thought you guys might get a kick out of this...

I put out an add to a local for-sale group looking for a second video camera
and got a response from a fellow with an older Kyocera model.

I gather this is an 8mm camera...

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y103/luck11/DSC02382.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y103/luck11/DSC02383.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y103/luck11/DSC02384.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y103/luck11/DSC02385.jpg

> Hi. Model is KD-S802. Briefcase style case that came with it(presume
> this means it is matched?), plus 2 batteries (one is large HD),
> cables, charger etc.

Amazing what's still out there on people's shelves. (I'm thinking I'll pass
on this one... ;)
Wish someone would write me saying they had a VX2000 they were dying to get
rid of cheap. ;)

C.

16 May 2005 3:44 AM

Jukka Aho

C.J.Patten wrote:

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> LOL! Thought you guys might get a kick out of this...
>
> I put out an add to a local for-sale group looking for a second video
> camera and got a response from a fellow with an older Kyocera model.
>
> I gather this is an 8mm camera...
>
> http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y103/luck11/DSC02382.jpg
> http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y103/luck11/DSC02383.jpg
> http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y103/luck11/DSC02384.jpg
> http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y103/luck11/DSC02385.jpg
>
> Amazing what's still out there on people's shelves. (I'm thinking
> I'll pass on this one... ;)

Don't laugh. You should be weeping instead, because they do not make
these like they used to.

Note how it has...

- a mechanically connected zoom lever (a big plus!)
- a mechanically connected focus ring (a big plus as well)
- an aperture (iris) adjustment knob
- a switch for adjusting white balance
- a shutter speed adjustment button

Also note how all these controls can be easily accessed without fiddling
about in an awkward menu system.

In other words, it has _lots_ of easily accessible manual adjustments
that are missing from the current crop of consumer camcorders.

Whatever manual adjustability is left in modern consumer camcorders is
typically either hidden deep inside the menus (making it almost
impossible to use any of the functionality properly when shooting, as
you can't really navigate the menus and shoot at the same time
effectively) or implemented by using electrical "fly-by-wire" controls
with a disconnected, numb feeling (and with some lag, too)...

--
znark

16 May 2005 5:17 AM

C.J.Patten

You're right about the manual controls - though I'm passing on this camera
because it's plain old "video-8" not Hi-8.

One of my clients has a Sony CCD-TR3300 that I've used and drooled over.

I was shooting it a few days ago and it has manual *everything.* You can put
it in full manual, adjust the iris with a dial and the shutter with another,
both being displayed in the viewfinder. Other buttons on the side include
"16:9 on/off", white balance... *anything* I have to dig for in a menu on my
c.2001 D8 is a *button* on that Hi-8 TR3300.

Now if I can only weasel that client out of it for my backup camera. ;)
There's a fellow with a TR65 locally (another Hi-8) I emailed but he hasn't
gotten back to me.

Problem is, most of these folks either have NO idea what these cameras are
worth and try to sell them for $900 or they know very well just how much
better off they are keeping them rather than shelling out $1300 at BestBuy
so they can have an extra sticker on the side of the camera that says
"digital" but not much else.

C.j

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"Jukka Aho" <jukka.***@iki.fi> wrote in message
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> C.J.Patten wrote:
>
>> LOL! Thought you guys might get a kick out of this...
>>
>> I put out an add to a local for-sale group looking for a second video
>> camera and got a response from a fellow with an older Kyocera model.
>>
>> I gather this is an 8mm camera...
>>
>> http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y103/luck11/DSC02382.jpg
>> http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y103/luck11/DSC02383.jpg
>> http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y103/luck11/DSC02384.jpg
>> http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y103/luck11/DSC02385.jpg
>>
>> Amazing what's still out there on people's shelves. (I'm thinking
>> I'll pass on this one... ;)
>
> Don't laugh. You should be weeping instead, because they do not make these
> like they used to.
>
> Note how it has...
>
> - a mechanically connected zoom lever (a big plus!)
> - a mechanically connected focus ring (a big plus as well)
> - an aperture (iris) adjustment knob
> - a switch for adjusting white balance
> - a shutter speed adjustment button
>
> Also note how all these controls can be easily accessed without fiddling
> about in an awkward menu system.
>
> In other words, it has _lots_ of easily accessible manual adjustments that
> are missing from the current crop of consumer camcorders.
>
> Whatever manual adjustability is left in modern consumer camcorders is
> typically either hidden deep inside the menus (making it almost impossible
> to use any of the functionality properly when shooting, as you can't
> really navigate the menus and shoot at the same time effectively) or
> implemented by using electrical "fly-by-wire" controls with a
> disconnected, numb feeling (and with some lag, too)...
>
> --
> znark
>