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Author
5 May 2005 8:01 PM
Griffo Fooxburr
Hello all,
Besides the fact that some (at least the ones I've tried) DV capturing
utilities use the timecode from a DV tape to name the destination file, how
can I use these pieces of information after my footage has been packed into
its AVI container? Is it there after the capture, at all?

I'm asking this because by now I have mastered the capturing process and am
ready to move to the second step of the home video production, but would
like to know what to expect of this metadata? Your answers might even help
me to choose between different editors...

Author
5 May 2005 8:19 PM
Malcolm Stewart
"Griffo Fooxburr" <griffofBEZ@SPAMAhotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hello all,
> Besides the fact that some (at least the ones I've tried) DV capturing
> utilities use the timecode from a DV tape to name the destination file,
how
> can I use these pieces of information after my footage has been packed
into
> its AVI container? Is it there after the capture, at all?

Just for the record...   My editor (Ulead VS8) names the captured .avi file
with a string based on the PC's clock at time of capture.  The timecode in
the DV seems to get junked.

Author
5 May 2005 8:22 PM
Jukka Aho
Griffo Fooxburr wrote:

> Besides the fact that some (at least the ones I've tried) DV
> capturing utilities use the timecode from a DV tape to name
> the destination file, how can I use these pieces of information
> after my footage has been packed into its AVI container? Is
> it there after the capture, at all?

See <http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Video/
Video-Editors/Visual-DV-Time-Stamp.shtml>

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Author
11 May 2005 11:57 PM
Griffo Fooxburr
Jukka Aho wrote:
> Griffo Fooxburr wrote:
>
>> Besides the fact that some (at least the ones I've tried) DV
>> capturing utilities use the timecode from a DV tape to name
>> the destination file, how can I use these pieces of information
>> after my footage has been packed into its AVI container? Is
>> it there after the capture, at all?
>
> See <http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Video/
> Video-Editors/Visual-DV-Time-Stamp.shtml>

Thank you, I think this is what I might eventually need!
Author
5 May 2005 9:31 PM
PTravel
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"Griffo Fooxburr" <griffofBEZ@SPAMAhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d5dtrc$cnn$1@ss405.t-com.hr...
> Hello all,
> Besides the fact that some (at least the ones I've tried) DV capturing
> utilities use the timecode from a DV tape to name the destination file,
how
> can I use these pieces of information after my footage has been packed
into
> its AVI container? Is it there after the capture, at all?
>
> I'm asking this because by now I have mastered the capturing process and
am
> ready to move to the second step of the home video production, but would
> like to know what to expect of this metadata? Your answers might even help
> me to choose between different editors...
>

I capture with Scenealyzer Live, which offers a naming option that includes
the date and time.  I find this very useful, as it organizes clips
chronologically, and makes it easy to divide clips up by day.

What else do you want to do with this data?
Author
11 May 2005 11:59 PM
Griffo Fooxburr
PTravel wrote:
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> "Griffo Fooxburr" <griffofBEZ@SPAMAhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:d5dtrc$cnn$1@ss405.t-com.hr...
>> Hello all,
>> Besides the fact that some (at least the ones I've tried) DV
>> capturing utilities use the timecode from a DV tape to name the
>> destination file, how can I use these pieces of information after my
>> footage has been packed into its AVI container? Is it there after
>> the capture, at all?
>>
>> I'm asking this because by now I have mastered the capturing process
>> and am ready to move to the second step of the home video
>> production, but would like to know what to expect of this metadata?
>> Your answers might even help me to choose between different
>> editors...
>>
>
> I capture with Scenealyzer Live, which offers a naming option that
> includes the date and time.  I find this very useful, as it organizes
> clips chronologically, and makes it easy to divide clips up by day.
>
> What else do you want to do with this data?

I'm not quite certain yet, I would like to know what CAN be done, in the
first place...
Author
6 May 2005 10:00 AM
Harry Broomhall
On Thu, 5 May 2005 22:01:48 +0200, "Griffo Fooxburr"
<griffofBEZ@SPAMAhotmail.com> wrote:

>Hello all,
>Besides the fact that some (at least the ones I've tried) DV capturing
>utilities use the timecode from a DV tape to name the destination file, how
>can I use these pieces of information after my footage has been packed into
>its AVI container? Is it there after the capture, at all?
>
>I'm asking this because by now I have mastered the capturing process and am
>ready to move to the second step of the home video production, but would
>like to know what to expect of this metadata? Your answers might even help
>me to choose between different editors...


   When you capture DV the result should be an exact copy of the
original data wrapped in an AVI container.  (There may be other things
there as well.)

   This means that *all* the metadata is still there, not just date
and time but things like exposure info.

   There are a number of free and nearly free utils that will show
this data.  There is at least one that will take the date and time and
'brand' the video visibly with this, if that is the sort of thing you
want to do.

    Regards,
           Harry.


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Author
12 May 2005 12:06 AM
Griffo Fooxburr
Harry Broomhall wrote:
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> On Thu, 5 May 2005 22:01:48 +0200, "Griffo Fooxburr"
> <griffofBEZ@SPAMAhotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>> Besides the fact that some (at least the ones I've tried) DV
>> capturing utilities use the timecode from a DV tape to name the
>> destination file, how can I use these pieces of information after my
>> footage has been packed into its AVI container? Is it there after
>> the capture, at all?
>>
>> I'm asking this because by now I have mastered the capturing process
>> and am ready to move to the second step of the home video
>> production, but would like to know what to expect of this metadata?
>> Your answers might even help me to choose between different
>> editors...
>
>
>    When you capture DV the result should be an exact copy of the
> original data wrapped in an AVI container.  (There may be other things
> there as well.)
>
>    This means that *all* the metadata is still there, not just date
> and time but things like exposure info.
>
>    There are a number of free and nearly free utils that will show
> this data.  There is at least one that will take the date and time and
> 'brand' the video visibly with this, if that is the sort of thing you
> want to do.

Thanks, Harry.
Yes, I suppose that superimposing would be something I would like to do.
Another poster in this newsgroup posted the link to one inexpensive
shareware programme called Visual DV Time Stamp. I haven't tried it yet, but
I think it is the direction to follow.

Actually, I think it could be very nice to have this timecode superimposed
on the beginning (first 5 or 10 seconds) of each chapter on finished DVD.
Author
13 May 2005 4:45 PM
John
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"Griffo Fooxburr" <griffofBEZ@SPAMAhotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Harry Broomhall wrote:
> > On Thu, 5 May 2005 22:01:48 +0200, "Griffo Fooxburr"
> > <griffofBEZ@SPAMAhotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello all,
> >> Besides the fact that some (at least the ones I've tried) DV
> >> capturing utilities use the timecode from a DV tape to name the
> >> destination file, how can I use these pieces of information after my
> >> footage has been packed into its AVI container? Is it there after
> >> the capture, at all?
> >>
> >> I'm asking this because by now I have mastered the capturing process
> >> and am ready to move to the second step of the home video
> >> production, but would like to know what to expect of this metadata?
> >> Your answers might even help me to choose between different
> >> editors...
> >
> >
> >    When you capture DV the result should be an exact copy of the
> > original data wrapped in an AVI container.  (There may be other things
> > there as well.)
> >
> >    This means that *all* the metadata is still there, not just date
> > and time but things like exposure info.
> >
> >    There are a number of free and nearly free utils that will show
> > this data.  There is at least one that will take the date and time and
> > 'brand' the video visibly with this, if that is the sort of thing you
> > want to do.
>
> Thanks, Harry.
> Yes, I suppose that superimposing would be something I would like to do.
> Another poster in this newsgroup posted the link to one inexpensive
> shareware programme called Visual DV Time Stamp. I haven't tried it yet,
but
> I think it is the direction to follow.
>
> Actually, I think it could be very nice to have this timecode superimposed
> on the beginning (first 5 or 10 seconds) of each chapter on finished DVD.
>

As someone previously posted elsewhere, it would be awesome to have the
date the footage was originally shot as a subtitle...
Author
13 May 2005 10:19 PM
Griffo Fooxburr
John wrote:
> As someone previously posted elsewhere, it would be awesome to have
> the date the footage was originally shot as a subtitle...

Right! I think that it came cross my mind too, but forgot to ask.
Having the date and/or time code as a separate subtitle stream would indeed
be great. Is there an easy way to achieve this?
Author
13 May 2005 11:19 PM
Richard Crowley
"Griffo Fooxburr" <griffofBEZ@SPAMAhotmail.com> wrote in message
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> John wrote:
>> As someone previously posted elsewhere, it would be awesome to have
>> the date the footage was originally shot as a subtitle...
>
> Right! I think that it came cross my mind too, but forgot to ask.
> Having the date and/or time code as a separate subtitle stream would
> indeed
> be great. Is there an easy way to achieve this?

You could treat it like a closed-caption "language option".
Of course, generating the data would be a bear. Good candidate
for someone to write a little utility to generate it automagically.