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DVD language *titling* options
I know a lot you have experience creating DVD's so I'm firing this question out here. Is there a way to define an audio track as something other than a language? Here's the deal: I have a concert DVD which has three versions of the audio. 1) stage microphones 2) audience microphones 3) a mix of the above I have the DVD mastered and playing fine BUT... the only "label" on each of the above audio tracks is "English - English - English!" I suppose I could label one "Japanese" and another "Esperanto" but I'd RATHER just say "audience - stage - mix" for the different audio selections. Any way to futz with this or am I running into a limit of the DVD format? Thanks! C.j
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"C.J.Patten" <cjpatten@KNOWSPAMrogers.com> wrote in message You can have anything be a selection item, any text, any graphicnews:TrednfRPwOCEKezfRVn-iQ@rogers.com... > Hey folks! > > I know a lot you have experience creating DVD's so I'm firing this > question out here. > > Is there a way to define an audio track as something other than a > language? > > Here's the deal: I have a concert DVD which has three versions of the > audio. > 1) stage microphones > 2) audience microphones > 3) a mix of the above > > I have the DVD mastered and playing fine BUT... the only "label" on each > of the above audio tracks is "English - English - English!" I suppose I > could label one "Japanese" and another "Esperanto" but I'd RATHER just say > "audience - stage - mix" for the different audio selections. > > Any way to futz with this or am I running into a limit of the DVD format? > > Thanks! > C.j whatever. The associated VM commands are what matter and you can change them if you need to. In this case all you need to do is change the "label". How did you make the audio menu for that VTS? Did you create the background and selection fields/items? Luck; Ken Hey Ken!
I actually have a menu created that's working great for *selecting* the audio to be played - take a look here: http://www.ncf.ca/~af895/misc/audio_menu.jpg Clicking on any of those will switch the audio to be played between the three audio tracks. This works fine. The tweak is: I'd LIKE to present each track not as "English" but as "blah..." - different microphone mixes labelled "audience" or "stage" on set top boxes. If I put this DVD in a set top box right now and hit the "Language" button on the DVD player, I see three tracks labelled "English" - I'd *like* to see "stage," "audience" and "mix." I guess I've never seen the audio selections used this way - it's always English, French, Chinese... Does that make any sense? I know I may not be using the correct terminology here. Again, I may be running into a limitation of the format. Chris Show quoteHide quote "Ken Maltby" <kmal***@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:dfqdndKMbcVzWuzfRVn-hQ@giganews.com... > > > You can have anything be a selection item, any text, any graphic > whatever. The associated VM commands are what matter and > you can change them if you need to. In this case all you need to do > is change the "label". > > How did you make the audio menu for that VTS? Did you > create the background and selection fields/items? > > Luck; > Ken > > > "C.J.Patten" <cjpatten@KNOWSPAMrogers.com> wrote in message > news:TrednfRPwOCEKezfRVn-iQ@rogers.com... >> Hey folks! >> >> I know a lot you have experience creating DVD's so I'm firing this >> question out here. >> >> Is there a way to define an audio track as something other than a >> language? >> >> Here's the deal: I have a concert DVD which has three versions of the >> audio. >> 1) stage microphones >> 2) audience microphones >> 3) a mix of the above >> >> I have the DVD mastered and playing fine BUT... the only "label" on each >> of the above audio tracks is "English - English - English!" I suppose I >> could label one "Japanese" and another "Esperanto" but I'd RATHER just >> say "audience - stage - mix" for the different audio selections. >> >> Any way to futz with this or am I running into a limit of the DVD format? >> >> Thanks! >> C.j
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"C.J.Patten" <cjpatten@KNOWSPAMrogers.com> wrote in message I don't know if this would work, but it could be that the playersnews:5rednSFNuf58TuzfRVn-rw@rogers.com... > Hey Ken! > > I actually have a menu created that's working great for *selecting* the > audio to be played - take a look here: > http://www.ncf.ca/~af895/misc/audio_menu.jpg > > Clicking on any of those will switch the audio to be played between the > three audio tracks. This works fine. > > The tweak is: I'd LIKE to present each track not as "English" but as > "blah..." - different microphone mixes labelled "audience" or "stage" on > set top boxes. > > If I put this DVD in a set top box right now and hit the "Language" button > on the DVD player, I see three tracks labelled "English" - I'd *like* to > see "stage," "audience" and "mix." > > I guess I've never seen the audio selections used this way - it's always > English, French, Chinese... > > Does that make any sense? I know I may not be using the correct > terminology here. Again, I may be running into a limitation of the format. > > Chris > > use the info section of the VTS to find what they should display for the audio "title". There are two fields, one after the other. The first is the language code "EN" in this case. The item immediately below that is probably what is displayed "English" in this case. It may be that changing this with IfoEdit could provide the results you are looking for. If the players just read the code and display something from their own firmware, then you are out of luck; but that would be both a more limiting and more costly approach. Luck; Ken
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"Ken Maltby" <kmal***@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message I think that's what happens though. In deference to different characters in news:xoudneTTqKduRuzfRVn-iA@giganews.com... > -- SNIP -- > I don't know if this would work, but it could be that the players > use the info section of the VTS to find what they should display > for the audio "title". There are two fields, one after the other. The > first is the language code "EN" in this case. The item immediately > below that is probably what is displayed "English" in this case. It > may be that changing this with IfoEdit could provide the results > you are looking for. > > If the players just read the code and display something from their > own firmware, then you are out of luck; but that would be both a > more limiting and more costly approach. > > Luck; > Ken > different languages where DVD players are made, they just implant a code and the DVD player prints a label. Tom P. "C.J.Patten" <cjpatten@KNOWSPAMrogers.com> wrote in message That looks GREAT! Where did you get the art (or are you one of those people news:5rednSFNuf58TuzfRVn-rw@rogers.com... > Hey Ken! > > I actually have a menu created that's working great for *selecting* the > audio to be played - take a look here: > http://www.ncf.ca/~af895/misc/audio_menu.jpg > that's really this talented?). This is what I need, some visual design for my presentations. Tom P. I also need to get some samples up on the 'Net for people to see. But I'm sooo busy I can't think straight. <blush> Aw shucks Tom - thank you kindly. ;)
I'm no Picasso but yes, I do my own artwork - past life as a graphic designer. ;) I'm fond of classic technology ("The don't build stuff like they used to.") and try to use it where possible in my projects, hence the Shure 55 SH series microphone on that menu. ;) C. Show quoteHide quote "Henry Padilla" <padil***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:gEpce.2345$Ne7.945@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com... > > "C.J.Patten" <cjpatten@KNOWSPAMrogers.com> wrote in message > news:5rednSFNuf58TuzfRVn-rw@rogers.com... >> Hey Ken! >> >> I actually have a menu created that's working great for *selecting* the >> audio to be played - take a look here: >> http://www.ncf.ca/~af895/misc/audio_menu.jpg >> > > That looks GREAT! Where did you get the art (or are you one of those > people that's really this talented?). > > This is what I need, some visual design for my presentations. > > Tom P. > I also need to get some samples up on the 'Net for people to see. > But I'm sooo busy I can't think straight. > > > > I have the DVD mastered and playing fine BUT... the only I'm pretty sure that those labels are standardized for the> "label" on each of the above audio tracks is "English - > English - English!" I suppose I could label one "Japanese" > and another "Esperanto" but I'd RATHER just say "audience - > stage - mix" for the different audio selections. > > Any way to futz with this or am I running into a limit of the > DVD format? format and are "hard-wired" (actually programmed into the chip during manufacture with a custom photolithography mask). You know there are several DVD-specific newsgroups where this question has likely already been asked and answered. Assuming you have already searched the archives of www.videohelp.com and www.doom9.org There's a reference here:
http://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=266194 that calls for an external text file to describe the track titles BUT... despite the tutorial being labelled "for noobs", I can't figure out how to implement this. They don't seem to say where the text file should go or what to do if the source file wasn't an AVI etc etc... maybe I'm just being dense. I'll keep looking! "MSS" might be the keyword I need to search on. I'll cruise over to a DVD newsgroup too. Thanks Richard! C. Show quoteHide quote "Richard Crowley" <rcrowl***@xprt.net> wrote in message news:1174fihkng9rg4c@corp.supernews.com... >> I have the DVD mastered and playing fine BUT... the only "label" on each >> of the above audio tracks is "English - English - English!" I suppose I >> could label one "Japanese" and another "Esperanto" but I'd RATHER just >> say "audience - stage - mix" for the different audio selections. >> >> Any way to futz with this or am I running into a limit of the DVD format? > > I'm pretty sure that those labels are standardized for the > format and are "hard-wired" (actually programmed into > the chip during manufacture with a custom photolithography > mask). > > You know there are several DVD-specific newsgroups where > this question has likely already been asked and answered. > Assuming you have already searched the archives of > www.videohelp.com and www.doom9.org
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> So far I've not been able to directly impact on how the player> "Richard Crowley" <rcrowl***@xprt.net> wrote in message > news:1174fihkng9rg4c@corp.supernews.com... >> I'm pretty sure that those labels are standardized for the >> format and are "hard-wired" (actually programmed into >> the chip during manufacture with a custom photolithography >> mask). >> >> You know there are several DVD-specific newsgroups where >> this question has likely already been asked and answered. >> Assuming you have already searched the archives of >> www.videohelp.com and www.doom9.org > > "C.J.Patten" <cjpatten@KNOWSPAMrogers.com> wrote in message news:CuadnSqQdZ9A1e_fRVn-tA@rogers.com... > There's a reference here: > http://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=266194 > that calls for an external text file to describe the track titles BUT... > despite the tutorial being labelled "for noobs", I can't figure out how to > implement this. > > They don't seem to say where the text file should go or what to do if the > source file wasn't an AVI etc etc... maybe I'm just being dense. > > I'll keep looking! "MSS" might be the keyword I need to search on. > I'll cruise over to a DVD newsgroup too. > > Thanks Richard! > C. (PowerDVDXP, in this case) handles the change in the VTS audio language label. If I remove it or change it to "Unspecified" the player just uses an "Audio #" label. So it is looking like DVD players may be "hard wired" as Richard suggests. I still have a few possibilities to check out, but it is not looking like the player is even using a text field from the .ifo or .vob. An example is that in the DVD I am using to test this out the third audio channel is French and appears, in IfoEdit with the Euro spelling but in the player with the English Spelling. Luck; Ken 
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