give them a fake address.





In article <MeqdnfY6cZ_ZjmrdRVn***@gbronline.com>, Wes Groleau
<groleau+n***@freeshell.org> wrote:

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~ wrote:
.... or their own.  Or go on the offensive, and ask for the sales
drone's home address.

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Show quote Hide quote I've seen this exact post before.  It was posted long time ago and
apparently the OP likes to repeat it, or maybe Wes Groleau decided to
reply to a really old post.  It's old news.  Obviously if it is store
policy where they refuse to sell without an SS number, give them a fake
one (and make it obviously a fake, like 123-456-0000) or just don't buy
from them.  I've been at the grocery checkout and they wouldn't ring up
an item at the price they listed on their own shelf, I don't argue, and
I'll leave the whole mess on their counter so they have the fun of
putting it all back and I walk away.  There are other stores.  Let them
win the argument by losing the sale.  Then go call the State Attorney's
Office to find out how to file a complaint and determine what other
action you can pursue against them.

By the way, I've never had Radio Shack ask for an SS number in the 30+
years that I've purchased from them.  They have asked for a telephone
number which I refuse to divulge.  They persist but I refuse and simply
put it, "Do you want the sale or not?".  If I'm paying cash, they don't
ever get get any personal info.  They might claim they need it for
warranty purposes but the law doesn't require you to register to
exercise the warranty (you only need to prove at claim time that you
were the purchaser).

Vanguard wrote:
Many states (in the US at least) have laws that on failure to ring
up the posted or advertised price, the item becomes free.  Even
where the law does not cover all of those cases, many firms have
such a policy.  The irritating thing is when the checker, who goes
to see if there is such a posting, just rips down the sign and then
tries to deny everything.

NEVER heard them require a SS#

In article <210320051234152726%~@1.2>, ~ <~@1.2> wrote:

That is either not true, or it was some rouge sales person.  It is
not representative either of the policies of Radio Shack or the
training that sales people receive at Radio Shack.  The only possible
explination for this is that the guy was filling out a credit app,
and he asked the clerk to take down the information for him.  A
Dish, Direct TV, or cellular telephone application might require
a SSI number (since you are applying for credit in those cases), but
all stores would require the same information.  Hardly a Radio
Shack issue.

-john-

FYI:

"The following is not copyrighted and the Caucus encourages you to make
copies and give them to anyone who unlawfully requests your number. …

"PRIVACY ACT LIMITATIONS ON SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER USAGE

Since many people objected to extensive loss of privacy which accompanied
the use of computers, Washington responded by passing the "Privacy Act,"
Title 5 of the United States Code Annotated 552(a). It states quite simply
that, "It shall he unlawful… to deny any individual any right, benefit or
privilege provided by law because of such individual's refusal to disclose
his Social Security number." Due to it, courts have ruled, in part:

"Right of privacy is a personal right designed to protect persons from
unwanted disclosure of personal information..." (CNA Financial Corporation
v.  Local 743, D.C., Ill., 1981, 515F, Supp. 942, III.)

The District Court in Delaware held that the Privacy Act:

"Was enacted for [ purpose of curtailing the expanding use of Social
Security numbers...and to eliminate the threat to individual privacy and
confidentiality posed by common numerical identifiers." (Doyle V. Wilson,
D.C., Del., 1982, 529G, Supp. 1343.)

In the strongly worded Guideline arid Regulations for Maintenance of
Privacy and Protection of Records on Individuals it is stated:

"(a) It shall be unlawful...to deny to any individual any right, benefit or
privilege provided by law because of such individual's refusal to disclose
his Social Security account number."

The Privacy Act calls for the following penalty for knowingly violating it:

"(A) Actual damages sustained by the individual as a result of the refusal
or failure, but in no case shall a person entitled to recovery receive less
than the sum of $1,000; and (B) the costs of the action together with
reasonable attorney fees as determined by the court."

It is suggested that you take someone with you when you assert your rights
under the Privacy Act. He or she will witness the incident and testify (if
necessary) to the facts.

Courts have ruled that there are only four (4) instances when Social
Security numbers MUST be used. These are:

1. For tax purposes
2. To receive public assistance
3. To obtain and use a driver's license
4. To register a motor vehicle

In any situation not listed above, simply present this document to any
person who seems to need one. Invite him or her to make a copy. Point out
the $l,000 penalty that is guaranteed upon judgment that your rights were
violated under this act. Point out that an individual may personally be
required to pay the $1,000 if he/she is aware of the Privacy Act and
refuses to follow it. In Doyle v. Wilson, the court states: "Assuming that
the plaintiffs refusal to disclose his Social Security number was a clearly
established right, where defendants could not as reasonable persons have
been aware or the right and could not have recognized that any effort to
compel disclosure of number or to deny plaintiff his refund violated
federal law, damages against defendant were barred." (Doyle v. Wilson,
D.C., 1982, 529F, Supp 1343.)

It is quite clear that the individuals must be able to show that they could
not have been aware of the Privacy Act and could not have possibly realized
that their actions were in violation of federal law in order to escape the
$1,000 penalty.

Courtesy of the Heritage Caucus"

-- 101 Things to Do 'Til the Revolution", by Claire Wolfe

In article <q7SdnXAWzvGN2qLfRVn***@forethought.net>,
Melissa <meli***@colorado.xxx> wrote:

First, the portion of the Privacy Act quoted says, in whole:

"It shall be unlawful for any Federal, State or local government
agency to deny to any individual any right, benefit, or privilege
provided by law because of such individual's refusal to disclose his
social security account number."

Note the limitation -- it only restricts a Federal, State or local
government agency.  It does not limit businesses or other private
concerns.  Radio Shack or any other business is welcome to require you
to provide your SSN, and you're welcome to do business elsewhere if
you decline to do so.

  - geoff

Entity John A. Weeks III spoke thus:

Excuse me, this story as originally posted by MYSELF on Nov 24 2003 and I
don't know why it's still circulating.
I wrote a letter of complaint to Radio Shack's Regional Manager and some
months later returned to the same store in Santa Fe where I was informed
that their policy had changed. Customers ordering satellite service are no
longer required to announce their Social Security Number to all customers in
the store.

So drop it.

Now is the guy was buying some cell phone on credit it makes sense otherwise
nope never happened!


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Next time just give my phone and SS#: 1-800-555-5555 and 999-99-9999.  I
don't mind it. /Paul

Paul Nevai wrote:
I prefer to use mine; there is more chance they'll put it into
their system: 1-area-555-1212 and 123-54-9876.

In comp.sys.mac.system CBFalconer <cbfalco***@yahoo.com> wrote:
I just say "that's classified".  The blank stare goes awaya after a
few seconds and they ring me up ...

In article <d29d2h$mr***@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
ne***@math.ohio-state.edu (Paul Nevai) wrote:

No commercial entity can demand your SS number by law.  If they do,
walk out and report them to the SS administration and the local
state's attorney general's office of consumer protection.

If that is the number on a driver's license you may need to show that
for ID but many states are now replacing the SS number with their own
state-generated number as a matter of privacy.  As long as you give
them the special private number on a driver's ID you have fulfilled
the obligations under law for ID purposes.

The number of people who *may* have access to your SS number are very
limited.  Those are the SS administration, a bank when opening an
account, the state when getting a driver's license or state ID, a
police officer when seeking ID in the instance of conducting an
investigation (including a traffic stop), The IRS, and en employer
when completing forms for the IRS.

There may be more but the list is limited and I am not an attorney who
can offer more direction.

DMK

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