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Burn speed?
recently-installed Sony DVD RW DRU-710A burner. I just burned a backup of ~3.9-Gb of general data files (PowerPoint, Word, Excel, Access files, lots of JPG's) onto a Maxell DVD-R 8X disk. The burn took a bit over 44 minutes. I'm considering upgrading to a new MB with Celeron 2.4-Gb CPU, using same HDD, install same amount of RAM, etc. Assuming the same set of data files, can someone give a good estimate of the improvement in burn speed that could reasonably be expected? Thanks, Bart bwesley8 wrote:
> Approximately zero. The device is the limitation. Apart from the> My home system (PIII 800-MHz, WinXP Home, WD 120-Gb HDD, 384-Mb > RAM) has a recently-installed Sony DVD RW DRU-710A burner. I just > burned a backup of ~3.9-Gb of general data files (PowerPoint, > Word, Excel, Access files, lots of JPG's) onto a Maxell DVD-R 8X > disk. The burn took a bit over 44 minutes. > > I'm considering upgrading to a new MB with Celeron 2.4-Gb CPU, > using same HDD, install same amount of RAM, etc. Assuming the > same set of data files, can someone give a good estimate of the > improvement in burn speed that could reasonably be expected? JPGs most of what you are saving looks highly compressible. If you want to speed up backups look up ARJ, which will compress, output, check readable, etc. You can easily create a batch file to do the whole job, but you will need to study the myriad ARJ options first. -- "I conclude that there are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies." -- C. A. R. Hoare bwesley8 wrote:
> My home system (PIII 800-MHz, WinXP Home, WD 120-Gb HDD, 384-Mb RAM) Check out this excellent anantech DVD burner review. It suggests that > has a recently-installed Sony DVD RW DRU-710A burner. I just burned > a backup of ~3.9-Gb of general data files (PowerPoint, Word, Excel, > Access files, lots of JPG's) onto a Maxell DVD-R 8X disk. The burn > took a bit over 44 minutes. > I'm considering upgrading to a new MB with Celeron 2.4-Gb CPU, using > same HDD, install same amount of RAM, etc. Assuming the same set of > data files, can someone give a good estimate of the improvement in > burn speed that could reasonably be expected? > > Thanks, > > Bart your burn speed is excessively high, perhaps due to the media used (my conclusion, not anantech's). The Sony drive should burn (under the conditions of the testing) of the order of 8 minutes. Note their conclusion that the Sony drive is not reliable for dual-layer media. http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=2260&p=1 This review has been updated for 16x DVD burners. http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=2370 Q I knew the Sony wasn't a top pick, but I got a deal too good to pass. As
for the dual-layer media, I haven't tried it -- too expensive, and not needed at this time. The thought that the speed is limited by the media had occurred to me -- what would be a proven better choice than Maxell? Thanks, Bart Show quoteHide quote "Quaoar" <qua***@tenthplanet.net> wrote in message news:yZ-dnbP5pdBLBqDfRVn-hg@comcast.com... > bwesley8 wrote: >> My home system (PIII 800-MHz, WinXP Home, WD 120-Gb HDD, 384-Mb RAM) >> has a recently-installed Sony DVD RW DRU-710A burner. I just burned >> a backup of ~3.9-Gb of general data files (PowerPoint, Word, Excel, >> Access files, lots of JPG's) onto a Maxell DVD-R 8X disk. The burn >> took a bit over 44 minutes. >> I'm considering upgrading to a new MB with Celeron 2.4-Gb CPU, using >> same HDD, install same amount of RAM, etc. Assuming the same set of >> data files, can someone give a good estimate of the improvement in >> burn speed that could reasonably be expected? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Bart > > Check out this excellent anantech DVD burner review. It suggests that > your burn speed is excessively high, perhaps due to the media used (my > conclusion, not anantech's). The Sony drive should burn (under the > conditions of the testing) of the order of 8 minutes. Note their > conclusion that the Sony drive is not reliable for dual-layer media. > http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=2260&p=1 > > This review has been updated for 16x DVD burners. > http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=2370 > > Q > > > bwesley8 wrote:
Show quoteHide quote > I knew the Sony wasn't a top pick, but I got a deal too good to pass. I've been using Verbatim, both +/-R with excellent results. I've used > As for the dual-layer media, I haven't tried it -- too expensive, and > not needed at this time. The thought that the speed is limited by > the media had occurred to me -- what would be a proven better choice > than Maxell? > Thanks, > > Bart > > > > > > "Quaoar" <qua***@tenthplanet.net> wrote in message > news:yZ-dnbP5pdBLBqDfRVn-hg@comcast.com... >> bwesley8 wrote: >>> My home system (PIII 800-MHz, WinXP Home, WD 120-Gb HDD, 384-Mb RAM) >>> has a recently-installed Sony DVD RW DRU-710A burner. I just burned >>> a backup of ~3.9-Gb of general data files (PowerPoint, Word, Excel, >>> Access files, lots of JPG's) onto a Maxell DVD-R 8X disk. The burn >>> took a bit over 44 minutes. >>> I'm considering upgrading to a new MB with Celeron 2.4-Gb CPU, using >>> same HDD, install same amount of RAM, etc. Assuming the same set of >>> data files, can someone give a good estimate of the improvement in >>> burn speed that could reasonably be expected? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Bart >> >> Check out this excellent anantech DVD burner review. It suggests >> that your burn speed is excessively high, perhaps due to the media >> used (my conclusion, not anantech's). The Sony drive should burn >> (under the conditions of the testing) of the order of 8 minutes. Note >> their conclusion that the Sony drive is not reliable for >> dual-layer media. >> http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=2260&p=1 This review >> has been updated for 16x DVD burners. >> http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=2370 >> >> Q Maxell products for years, but not DVD media, again with excellent results. Have you checked for firmware updates for the Sony drive? Q A faster processor will not change anything, the problem is elsewhere. The speed you are getting is approximately what you would expect in PIO mode. Try enabling DMA on the writer and hard drives.
bwesley8 wrote: Show quoteHide quote > > My home system (PIII 800-MHz, WinXP Home, WD 120-Gb HDD, 384-Mb RAM) has a > recently-installed Sony DVD RW DRU-710A burner. I just burned a backup of > ~3.9-Gb of general data files (PowerPoint, Word, Excel, Access files, lots > of JPG's) onto a Maxell DVD-R 8X disk. The burn took a bit over 44 minutes. > > I'm considering upgrading to a new MB with Celeron 2.4-Gb CPU, using same > HDD, install same amount of RAM, etc. Assuming the same set of data files, > can someone give a good estimate of the improvement in burn speed that could > reasonably be expected? > > Thanks, > > Bart -- Mike Walsh West Palm Beach, Florida, U.S.A. Can you elaborate a bit on your suggestion? I assumed the Hardware Manager
would provide access to the DMA settings, but can't find anywhere to do that(?) Show quoteHide quote "Mike Walsh" <mikew***@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:423DA1C5.9A659C27@sbcglobal.net... > > A faster processor will not change anything, the problem is elsewhere. The > speed you are getting is approximately what you would expect in PIO mode. > Try enabling DMA on the writer and hard drives. > > bwesley8 wrote: >> >> My home system (PIII 800-MHz, WinXP Home, WD 120-Gb HDD, 384-Mb RAM) has >> a >> recently-installed Sony DVD RW DRU-710A burner. I just burned a backup >> of >> ~3.9-Gb of general data files (PowerPoint, Word, Excel, Access files, >> lots >> of JPG's) onto a Maxell DVD-R 8X disk. The burn took a bit over 44 >> minutes. >> >> I'm considering upgrading to a new MB with Celeron 2.4-Gb CPU, using same >> HDD, install same amount of RAM, etc. Assuming the same set of data >> files, >> can someone give a good estimate of the improvement in burn speed that >> could >> reasonably be expected? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Bart > > -- > Mike Walsh > West Palm Beach, Florida, U.S.A. bwesley8 wrote:
Show quoteHide quote > Can you elaborate a bit on your suggestion? I assumed the Hardware Check Device Manager, IDE/ATAPI controllers, Primary/Secondary IDE > Manager would provide access to the DMA settings, but can't find > anywhere to do that(?) > > > > > "Mike Walsh" <mikew***@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message > news:423DA1C5.9A659C27@sbcglobal.net... >> >> A faster processor will not change anything, the problem is >> elsewhere. The speed you are getting is approximately what you would >> expect in PIO mode. Try enabling DMA on the writer and hard drives. >> >> bwesley8 wrote: >>> >>> My home system (PIII 800-MHz, WinXP Home, WD 120-Gb HDD, 384-Mb >>> RAM) has a >>> recently-installed Sony DVD RW DRU-710A burner. I just burned a >>> backup of >>> ~3.9-Gb of general data files (PowerPoint, Word, Excel, Access >>> files, lots >>> of JPG's) onto a Maxell DVD-R 8X disk. The burn took a bit over 44 >>> minutes. >>> >>> I'm considering upgrading to a new MB with Celeron 2.4-Gb CPU, >>> using same HDD, install same amount of RAM, etc. Assuming the same >>> set of data files, >>> can someone give a good estimate of the improvement in burn speed >>> that could >>> reasonably be expected? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Bart >> >> -- >> Mike Walsh >> West Palm Beach, Florida, U.S.A. channels, the setting should be DMA if Available and UDMA Mode 2 for the DVD drive. If this is not correct, then it might be a controller driver problem or chipset/mainboard drivers are not installed. Q On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:10:50 -0700, "Quaoar" <qua***@tenthplanet.net> I read your post with interest. Thinking I would like to be sure mywrote: > >Check Device Manager, IDE/ATAPI controllers, Primary/Secondary IDE >channels, the setting should be DMA if Available and UDMA Mode 2 for the >DVD drive. If this is not correct, then it might be a controller driver >problem or chipset/mainboard drivers are not installed. > >Q > two systems are set up fastest in this area, I checked Device Manager>...IDE Channels. This is what I find and I am just wondering what comments you might have. System 1 ASUS P4B533-VM MOBO w/Intel 2.4GHz CPU - 512 DDR DVD drive is on Secondary IDE Master. Primary IDE Channel>Advance Settings shows Transfer Mode = DMA if available and Current Transfer Mode = PIO Mode. Secondary IDE Channel>Advance Settings shows Transfer Mode = DMA if available and Current Transfer Mode = PIO Mode. System 2 ASUS K8V SE MOBO w/AMD Athlon 64 3400+ CPU - 512 DDR DVD drive is on Secondary IDE Master. Primary IDE Channel>Advance Settings shows Transfer Mode = DMA if available and Current Transfer Mode = Ultra DMA Mode 5!. Secondary IDE Channel>Advance Settings shows Transfer Mode = DMA if available and Current Transfer Mode = Ultra DMA Mode 2. The PIO modes in System 1 bother me, and the Ultra DMA Mode 5 in system 2 startled me. What do you think? Thanks geezer wrote:
> System 1 Update the chipset drivers for the P4B533-VM. You may need to install the > ASUS P4B533-VM MOBO w/Intel 2.4GHz CPU - 512 DDR > DVD drive is on Secondary IDE Master. > Primary IDE Channel>Advance Settings shows Transfer Mode = DMA if > available and Current Transfer Mode = PIO Mode. > Secondary IDE Channel>Advance Settings shows Transfer Mode = DMA if > available and Current Transfer Mode = PIO Mode. Intel Application Accelerator V2.3 as well. http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df/Product_Filter.asp?ProductID=663 > System 2 UDMA5=ATA100=100MB/sec This is as it should be for a HDD.> ASUS K8V SE MOBO w/AMD Athlon 64 3400+ CPU - 512 DDR > DVD drive is on Secondary IDE Master. > Primary IDE Channel>Advance Settings shows Transfer Mode = DMA if > available and Current Transfer Mode = Ultra DMA Mode 5!. > Secondary IDE Channel>Advance Settings shows Transfer Mode = DMA if > available and Current Transfer Mode = Ultra DMA Mode 2. > > The PIO modes in System 1 bother me, and the Ultra DMA Mode 5 in > system 2 startled me. UDMA2=ATA33=33MB/sec This is fine for a CD/DVD burner. On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:42:56 GMT, "S.Heenan" <shee***@wahs.ac> wrote: Thanks - I will try to get/install the downloads for machine 1.>Update the chipset drivers for the P4B533-VM. You may need to install the >Intel Application Accelerator V2.3 as well. >http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df/Product_Filter.asp?ProductID=663 > > >UDMA5=ATA100=100MB/sec This is as it should be for a HDD. >UDMA2=ATA33=33MB/sec This is fine for a CD/DVD burner. > > I will let ya know how it turns out. My machine 2 is okay then. Not surprised - it is a new one. G geezer wrote:
Show quoteHide quote > On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:42:56 GMT, "S.Heenan" <shee***@wahs.ac> wrote: Machine 2 looks fine. Machine 1 needs the drivers and the IAA ver.2.3> >> Update the chipset drivers for the P4B533-VM. You may need to >> install the Intel Application Accelerator V2.3 as well. >> http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df/Product_Filter.asp?ProductID=663 >> >> >> UDMA5=ATA100=100MB/sec This is as it should be for a HDD. >> UDMA2=ATA33=33MB/sec This is fine for a CD/DVD burner. >> >> > > Thanks - I will try to get/install the downloads for machine 1. > I will let ya know how it turns out. > My machine 2 is okay then. Not surprised - it is a new one. > > G Note: On some chipsets, Windows XP will notice CRC errors and lower the transfer rate. I've seen this a few times on the older 810/815 chipsets. http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/storage/IDE-DMA.mspx On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:42:56 GMT, "S.Heenan" <shee***@wahs.ac> wrote: Could I prevail upon you to provide the URL address for these drivers?>Update the chipset drivers for the P4B533-VM. I searched and searched, but did not find anything that recognized as what I need, Old age setting in further. I did successfully download and install IAA vers 2.3 however. Thanks for that one. Thanks G geezer wrote:
Show quoteHide quote > On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:42:56 GMT, "S.Heenan" <shee***@wahs.ac> wrote: http://www.asus.com/support/download/item.aspx?ModelName=P4B533-VM&Type=Latest> >> Update the chipset drivers for the P4B533-VM. > > Could I prevail upon you to provide the URL address for these drivers? > I searched and searched, but did not find anything that recognized as > what I need, Old age setting in further. > > I did successfully download and install IAA vers 2.3 however. Thanks > for that one. > > Thanks > > G inf5021003.zip is the file you want. On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:27:00 GMT, "S.Heenan" <shee***@wahs.ac> wrote: I downloaded/de-compressed the zip file - installed/executed>http://www.asus.com/support/download/item.aspx?ModelName=P4B533-VM&Type=Latest > >inf5021003.zip is the file you want. > it/rebooted. System runs fine. I thank you even though I fail to understand the Device Manager displays (locations 0(0) and location 1(1)) for the IDE channels now. Cya geezer wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:27:00 GMT, "S.Heenan" <shee***@wahs.ac> wrote: 0(0) is Primary Master. 0(1) is Primary Slave.> > >> http://www.asus.com/support/download/item.aspx?ModelName=P4B533-VM&Type=Latest >> >> inf5021003.zip is the file you want. >> > > I downloaded/de-compressed the zip file - installed/executed > it/rebooted. System runs fine. > > I thank you even though I fail to understand the Device Manager > displays (locations 0(0) and location 1(1)) for the IDE channels now. 1(0) is Secondary Master. 1(1) is Secondary Slave. On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:10:40 GMT, "S.Heenan" <shee***@wahs.ac> wrote: Now I am more confused. You see - I only have two devices connected>> I thank you even though I fail to understand the Device Manager >> displays (locations 0(0) and location 1(1)) for the IDE channels now. > >0(0) is Primary Master. 0(1) is Primary Slave. >1(0) is Secondary Master. 1(1) is Secondary Slave. > to IDE. C hard drive to Primary Master and DVD writer to Secondary Master. How then does Device Manager ONLY show 0(0) for Primary IDE Channel and 1(1) for Secondary IDE Channel? Thanks G OK, I did that and found:
Primary (5-yr old 20-Gb HDD, Sony DVD burner) 0 -- DMA if available PIO mode 1 -- DMA if available PIO mode Secondary (new 120-Gb HDD, LG DVD player) 0 -- DMA if available Ultra DMA Mode 3 1 -- DMA if available Ultra DMA Mode 1 Maybe I should swap positions of the two DVD drives? Thanks, Bart Show quoteHide quote "Quaoar" <qua***@tenthplanet.net> wrote in message news:EMWdnVT0o513SKPfRVn-iw@comcast.com... > bwesley8 wrote: >> Can you elaborate a bit on your suggestion? I assumed the Hardware >> Manager would provide access to the DMA settings, but can't find >> anywhere to do that(?) >> >> >> >> >> "Mike Walsh" <mikew***@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message >> news:423DA1C5.9A659C27@sbcglobal.net... >>> >>> A faster processor will not change anything, the problem is >>> elsewhere. The speed you are getting is approximately what you would >>> expect in PIO mode. Try enabling DMA on the writer and hard drives. >>> >>> bwesley8 wrote: >>>> >>>> My home system (PIII 800-MHz, WinXP Home, WD 120-Gb HDD, 384-Mb >>>> RAM) has a >>>> recently-installed Sony DVD RW DRU-710A burner. I just burned a >>>> backup of >>>> ~3.9-Gb of general data files (PowerPoint, Word, Excel, Access >>>> files, lots >>>> of JPG's) onto a Maxell DVD-R 8X disk. The burn took a bit over 44 >>>> minutes. >>>> >>>> I'm considering upgrading to a new MB with Celeron 2.4-Gb CPU, >>>> using same HDD, install same amount of RAM, etc. Assuming the same >>>> set of data files, >>>> can someone give a good estimate of the improvement in burn speed >>>> that could >>>> reasonably be expected? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Bart >>> >>> -- >>> Mike Walsh >>> West Palm Beach, Florida, U.S.A. > > Check Device Manager, IDE/ATAPI controllers, Primary/Secondary IDE > channels, the setting should be DMA if Available and UDMA Mode 2 for the > DVD drive. If this is not correct, then it might be a controller driver > problem or chipset/mainboard drivers are not installed. > > Q > You might have better results with the hard drives on primary and DVD drives on secondary. If that does not work try the Sony as secondary master with nothing as slave. It is possible that DMA does not work at all on the primary port, try it with the 120 GB drive as master and no slave.
bwesley8 wrote: Show quoteHide quote > > OK, I did that and found: > > Primary (5-yr old 20-Gb HDD, Sony DVD burner) > > 0 -- DMA if available > PIO mode > > 1 -- DMA if available > PIO mode > > Secondary (new 120-Gb HDD, LG DVD player) > > 0 -- DMA if available > Ultra DMA Mode 3 > > 1 -- DMA if available > Ultra DMA Mode 1 > > Maybe I should swap positions of the two DVD drives? > > Thanks, > > Bart > > "Quaoar" <qua***@tenthplanet.net> wrote in message > news:EMWdnVT0o513SKPfRVn-iw@comcast.com... > > bwesley8 wrote: > >> Can you elaborate a bit on your suggestion? I assumed the Hardware > >> Manager would provide access to the DMA settings, but can't find > >> anywhere to do that(?) > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> "Mike Walsh" <mikew***@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message > >> news:423DA1C5.9A659C27@sbcglobal.net... > >>> > >>> A faster processor will not change anything, the problem is > >>> elsewhere. The speed you are getting is approximately what you would > >>> expect in PIO mode. Try enabling DMA on the writer and hard drives. > >>> > >>> bwesley8 wrote: > >>>> > >>>> My home system (PIII 800-MHz, WinXP Home, WD 120-Gb HDD, 384-Mb > >>>> RAM) has a > >>>> recently-installed Sony DVD RW DRU-710A burner. I just burned a > >>>> backup of > >>>> ~3.9-Gb of general data files (PowerPoint, Word, Excel, Access > >>>> files, lots > >>>> of JPG's) onto a Maxell DVD-R 8X disk. The burn took a bit over 44 > >>>> minutes. > >>>> > >>>> I'm considering upgrading to a new MB with Celeron 2.4-Gb CPU, > >>>> using same HDD, install same amount of RAM, etc. Assuming the same > >>>> set of data files, > >>>> can someone give a good estimate of the improvement in burn speed > >>>> that could > >>>> reasonably be expected? > >>>> > >>>> Thanks, > >>>> > >>>> Bart > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Mike Walsh > >>> West Palm Beach, Florida, U.S.A. > > > > Check Device Manager, IDE/ATAPI controllers, Primary/Secondary IDE > > channels, the setting should be DMA if Available and UDMA Mode 2 for the > > DVD drive. If this is not correct, then it might be a controller driver > > problem or chipset/mainboard drivers are not installed. > > > > Q > > -- Mike Walsh West Palm Beach, Florida, U.S.A. 
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