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Can SATA be run from IDE motherboard?

Author
18 Mar 2005 11:52 AM
Emlyn
Just wondering if there's such a thing as an adaptor for a SATA hdd which
will allow it to be run from an IDE only motherboard?

I need a new hdd and want to get a SATA hdd, but I don't want to change my
mobo yet.

Thanks.

Author
18 Mar 2005 12:30 PM
Oenone
Emlyn wrote:
> Just wondering if there's such a thing as an adaptor for a SATA hdd
> which will allow it to be run from an IDE only motherboard?

I've seen PCI cards that allow SATA drives to be connected.

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Author
18 Mar 2005 2:53 PM
Gerard Bok
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:52:59 GMT, "Emlyn"
<emlynnospam@utvinternet.com> wrote:

>Just wondering if there's such a thing as an adaptor for a SATA hdd which
>will allow it to be run from an IDE only motherboard?
>
>I need a new hdd and want to get a SATA hdd, but I don't want to change my
>mobo yet.

There are 2 ways:
- Buy an IDE to Sata converter
- Buy a new harddisk interface.

Neither methode is advisable for normal use though.
A converter is relatively expensive and offers no benefit.
A SATA controller will probably slow your system down.
It would share PCI bandwidth while your onboard IDE controller
has it's own 'highway to the CPU' so to say.

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Kind regards,
Gerard Bok
Author
18 Mar 2005 3:17 PM
theyak
In article <423aea71.443***@News.Individual.NET>, bok***@zonnet.nl
says...
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> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:52:59 GMT, "Emlyn"
> <emlynnospam@utvinternet.com> wrote:
>
> >Just wondering if there's such a thing as an adaptor for a SATA hdd which
> >will allow it to be run from an IDE only motherboard?
> >
> >I need a new hdd and want to get a SATA hdd, but I don't want to change my
> >mobo yet.
>
> There are 2 ways:
> - Buy an IDE to Sata converter
> - Buy a new harddisk interface.
>
> Neither methode is advisable for normal use though.
> A converter is relatively expensive and offers no benefit.
> A SATA controller will probably slow your system down.
> It would share PCI bandwidth while your onboard IDE controller
> has it's own 'highway to the CPU' so to say.
>
>


No it doesn't, the ide controller is on the pci bus as well.

Get a pci SATA card. Promise makes a good one.
Author
18 Mar 2005 4:02 PM
kony
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:17:10 GMT, theyak <y**@dev.null>
wrote:

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>In article <423aea71.443***@News.Individual.NET>, bok***@zonnet.nl
>says...
>> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:52:59 GMT, "Emlyn"
>> <emlynnospam@utvinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Just wondering if there's such a thing as an adaptor for a SATA hdd which
>> >will allow it to be run from an IDE only motherboard?
>> >
>> >I need a new hdd and want to get a SATA hdd, but I don't want to change my
>> >mobo yet.
>>
>> There are 2 ways:
>> - Buy an IDE to Sata converter
>> - Buy a new harddisk interface.
>>
>> Neither methode is advisable for normal use though.
>> A converter is relatively expensive and offers no benefit.
>> A SATA controller will probably slow your system down.
>> It would share PCI bandwidth while your onboard IDE controller
>> has it's own 'highway to the CPU' so to say.
>>
>>
>
>
>No it doesn't, the ide controller is on the pci bus as well.
>
>Get a pci SATA card. Promise makes a good one.

IDE as integrated into semi-modern southbridge is not "on
the PCI bus".  The logical connection is similar to SATA on
southbridge, that is, beyond the interface standard itself.

SATA adapters are relatively expensive (for what they are),
and an SATA PCI card will be slower.  It almost seems the
best course to just buy a PATA HDD instead.  Seems like a
couple weeks ago I saw an 80GB for $30 or $40 after
rebate... next motherboard OP buys will have PATA controller
anyway so it "could" be reused, or at worst as supplimental
storage it would cost $20 in the long run ($40 minus $20
cost of adapter or PCI card).
Author
18 Mar 2005 10:21 PM
John McGaw
kony wrote:
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> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:17:10 GMT, theyak <y**@dev.null>
> wrote:
>
>
>>In article <423aea71.443***@News.Individual.NET>, bok***@zonnet.nl
>>says...
>>
>>>On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:52:59 GMT, "Emlyn"
>>><emlynnospam@utvinternet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Just wondering if there's such a thing as an adaptor for a SATA hdd which
>>>>will allow it to be run from an IDE only motherboard?
>>>>
>>>>I need a new hdd and want to get a SATA hdd, but I don't want to change my
>>>>mobo yet.
>>>
>>>There are 2 ways:
>>>- Buy an IDE to Sata converter
>>>- Buy a new harddisk interface.
>>>
>>>Neither methode is advisable for normal use though.
>>>A converter is relatively expensive and offers no benefit.
>>>A SATA controller will probably slow your system down.
>>>It would share PCI bandwidth while your onboard IDE controller
>>>has it's own 'highway to the CPU' so to say.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>No it doesn't, the ide controller is on the pci bus as well.
>>
>>Get a pci SATA card. Promise makes a good one.
>
>
> IDE as integrated into semi-modern southbridge is not "on
> the PCI bus".  The logical connection is similar to SATA on
> southbridge, that is, beyond the interface standard itself.
>
> SATA adapters are relatively expensive (for what they are),
> and an SATA PCI card will be slower.  It almost seems the
> best course to just buy a PATA HDD instead.  Seems like a
> couple weeks ago I saw an 80GB for $30 or $40 after
> rebate... next motherboard OP buys will have PATA controller
> anyway so it "could" be reused, or at worst as supplimental
> storage it would cost $20 in the long run ($40 minus $20
> cost of adapter or PCI card).
>
I'd have to agree with that. Bargains come up frequently if one pays
attention. I've bought two Seagate retail-boxed 5-year-waranteed 200gB
PATA drives over the past couple of months for approx $70 each.

With an oldish system it would probably be necessary to add a PCI
controller to handle that sort of capacity but they aren't that
expensive. Adaptec's ASH-1233 is quite good but is a bit higher than
others on the market.

I'd guess that PATA will probably be around for another five years as a
viable standard.
--
John McGaw
[Knoxville, TN, USA]
http://johnmcgaw.com
Author
18 Mar 2005 5:58 PM
té_qui
just buy a sata controller. I bought mine off ebay for less than 20 bucks,
generic model, no brand, and been using 2 HD on it without any problems. The
speed also compares to what sata drives are suppose to do which leads me to
beleive it is not being slowed down. Go with SATA, add a controller card if
you have too. no problems.


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"Emlyn" <emlynnospam@utvinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Just wondering if there's such a thing as an adaptor for a SATA hdd which
> will allow it to be run from an IDE only motherboard?
>
> I need a new hdd and want to get a SATA hdd, but I don't want to change my
> mobo yet.
>
> Thanks.
>
Author
18 Mar 2005 8:26 PM
kony
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:58:57 -0500, "té_qui"
<té_***@hotmailcrap.com> wrote:

>just buy a sata controller. I bought mine off ebay for less than 20 bucks,
>generic model, no brand, and been using 2 HD on it without any problems. The
>speed also compares to what sata drives are suppose to do which leads me to
>beleive it is not being slowed down. Go with SATA, add a controller card if
>you have too. no problems.
>


An SATA PCI controller can indeed benchmark pretty good.
Problem is, that's a scenario when only the drive is being
accessed, not a typical use where someone might have audio,
lan, etc, taking up a significant portion of PCI bandwidth
too, let alone throwing in a PCI video card or capture card.

For example, copying a file from a remote location on lan
with a PCI Gb NIC, previewing it while editing, and saving
to a drive on a PCI SATA card, it will be noticably slower
in many cases.
Author
18 Mar 2005 8:22 PM
Tal fuchs
Go for PATA HDD.
Any new mobo has both SATA and PATA

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"Emlyn" <emlynnospam@utvinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Just wondering if there's such a thing as an adaptor for a SATA hdd which
> will allow it to be run from an IDE only motherboard?
>
> I need a new hdd and want to get a SATA hdd, but I don't want to change my
> mobo yet.
>
> Thanks.
>
Author
18 Mar 2005 11:49 PM
DaveW
You can install an inexpensive SATA PCI card.

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DaveW



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"Emlyn" <emlynnospam@utvinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Just wondering if there's such a thing as an adaptor for a SATA hdd which
> will allow it to be run from an IDE only motherboard?
>
> I need a new hdd and want to get a SATA hdd, but I don't want to change my
> mobo yet.
>
> Thanks.
>