Power supply failed? Will not boot

14 Mar 2005 6:28 AM

Nigel Andrews

My PC, that normally stays on for days at a time,.auto shut down last night
and now will not start.

When I press the 'push to start' button I get nothing but as I release the
button the fans briefly jump and the speakers click.
If I immediately press the button again I get nothing.
If I press and hold the button for a few seconds (to release the 'flea
power') then, again, as I release it the fans jump again.

Can anyone say if this is a falure of the PSU or an indication of some other
problem!

I think the switch is O.K. as I can hear it clicking.

Thanks

Nigel

14 Mar 2005 10:36 AM

w_tom

Without fact, then no one can do anything but wildly
speculate. Facts with numbers are required. A 3.5 digit
multimeter is the only device (of reasonable cost) that is
going to provide those numbers. It is a power supply
'system'. Which system component is problematic? Without
numbers using the following procedures, then no one can
provide a reliable or useful answer: "Computer doesnt start
at all" in alt.comp.hardware on 10 Jan 2004 at
http://tinyurl.com/2t69q and
"I think my power supply is dead" in alt.comp.hardware on 5
Feb 2004 at
http://www.tinyurl.com/2musa

Article with pictures demonstrates the technique:
http://techrepublic.com.com/5102-10586-5566528.html

Nigel Andrews wrote:
Show quoteHide quote

> My PC, that normally stays on for days at a time,.auto shut down
> last night and now will not start.
>
> When I press the 'push to start' button I get nothing but as I
> release the button the fans briefly jump and the speakers click.
> If I immediately press the button again I get nothing.
> If I press and hold the button for a few seconds (to release the
> 'flea power') then, again, as I release it the fans jump again.
>
> Can anyone say if this is a falure of the PSU or an indication of
> some other problem!
>
> I think the switch is O.K. as I can hear it clicking.
>
> Thanks
>
> Nigel

14 Mar 2005 9:19 PM

ric

Nigel Andrews wrote:

> My PC, that normally stays on for days at a time,.auto shut down last night
> and now will not start.
>
> When I press the 'push to start' button I get nothing but as I release the
> button the fans briefly jump and the speakers click.
> If I immediately press the button again I get nothing.
> If I press and hold the button for a few seconds (to release the 'flea
> power') then, again, as I release it the fans jump again.
>
> Can anyone say if this is a falure of the PSU or an indication of some other
> problem!
>
> I think the switch is O.K. as I can hear it clicking.

You must provide more information.

First, disconnect the motherboard but leave all drive devices connected.
Does the power supply start up? If so, either you MB or something on it
failed.

Second, disconnect all drives but leave your motherboard connected. Does
the power supply start up? If so, a drive device has failed.

If the PSU fails to start under both the above scenarios, you probably
have a failed PSU. To test an ATX PSU:

First, disconnect everything from the power supply (including MB.) Plug
AC cord into the rear of the PS. IF the PS has its own rocker on/off
switch, turn it ON. There should be +5v on pin 9 of the 20 pin connector
(+5vsb, usually a violet wire.) There should be >0.8v on pin 14 (PS-ON,
usually a green wire.) This is from an internal pull-up to the +5vsb.

Connect PS power leads to 1 or 2 IDE HDs (for a load). Jumper pin 14
(PS-ON) to pin 13 (ground, black wire.) At this point, fan in PS should
start spinning, drives should spin, and + 5/12v, -5/12v, +3.3v, and
+5vsb should be present at 20 pin connector.

Disconnecting pin 14-13 jumper should turn supply back off.

Further:

When your system fails to start, what is the voltage on pin 9? If it is
less than 4.75v, either a) the logic on your motherboard is shorting
b) your +5vsb is under powered, or c) your PS is bad. It is
most likely a combination of b) and c).

If your +5vsb is OK, measure pin 14 of the PS/MB connector. If it is <0.8v
(and the +5vsb is OK), the power supply should be on. If pin 14 is <0.8v,
the +5vsb is OK, and the PS is OFF, the PS is bad. If pin 14 is >2.0v, the
power supply is being told to stay OFF by the MB. If depressing the front
panel ON/OFF switch does NOT lower pin 14 to <0.8v (and the +5vsb is OK),
then the problem is NOT the power supply, but rather MB related.

Good luck.

16 Mar 2005 8:26 PM

S.Boardman

Show quote Hide quote

"Nigel Andrews" <nandr***@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1110786189.37112.0@despina.uk.clara.net...
> My PC, that normally stays on for days at a time,.auto shut down last
night
> and now will not start.
>
> When I press the 'push to start' button I get nothing but as I release the
> button the fans briefly jump and the speakers click.
> If I immediately press the button again I get nothing.
> If I press and hold the button for a few seconds (to release the 'flea
> power') then, again, as I release it the fans jump again.
>
> Can anyone say if this is a falure of the PSU or an indication of some
other
> problem!
>
> I think the switch is O.K. as I can hear it clicking.
>
> Thanks
>
> Nigel
>

I had *exactly* this problem. I assumed I would have to get a new PSU.
However, I got a 3.5 digit multimeter as suggested by w_tom. I checked the
20pin mobo connector, and all the power cables, under increasing load and
found ... nothing at all wrong with them. In fact the voltages were better
than given by the BIOS reading. I plugged everything back in and it all
worked correctly, with not a problem with it since.

I assume that the mobo connector must have worked loose, or I didn't push it
in enough the first time round.

It's really worth getting the multimeter - I would have had to pay postage
to Holland from the UK to get the PSU looked at under warranty.

I found the following link (as well as w_tom's) useful:
www.ochardware.com/articles/psuvolt/psuvolt.html

HTH

--
Susan

Power supply failed? Will not boot - but nearly does!