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PSu sufficent or not?
and want to replace the 900 crap card with X700 or X800XL? Crappy 915 chipset I have a P4 3.4 ghz prescott 2 x 250 GB SATA with 8 MB Ram from WD 1 GB DDR 3200 RAM Gigabit Ethernet Win XP PRO the sucky Shared 900 graphic card that i was planning to swap out wi8th the X700 or X800XL "Olav Rekve" <crownreg***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3L6Yd.638768$6l.558451@pd7tw2no..." is 300 W PSU sufficent when i have this: " Did you have to start a new thread? No. Is a 300W PSU sufficient for your system? I would say not. Yeah , you need enough amps on the 3.3 5 and 12Volt rails , like 30A ,
40A and 30A or so , something less is ok but not too much less , like
28 A 48A and 30A , or thereabouts .
MSI graphics card ? Have a look on the MSI forum . Search MSI ..... find something with a tw on the end and in the main website across the top will be a selection , products and about 8 other choices , move the mouse over them to about the 6th choice along and in one of them you will find Forum . Click on Forum and register on the forum and ask there. -- xarryier ------------------------------------------------------------------------ xarryier's Profile: http://extremetechsupport.com/forum/member.phtml?userid=866 View this thread: http://extremetechsupport.com/forum/showthread.phtml?t=162910 A 300 watt power supply that really does provide 300 watts
would probably be sufficient. However, how much did you pay for it? Less than $65 full retail? Then suspect it is missing essential functions and is problem not really a 300 watt supply. Furthermore that supply could be 300 watts - but not output sufficient watts on one key voltage. Kony describes same when discussing power rails. Your answer starts by providing wattage or current output for each voltage. An overall 300 watts tells us little useful. IOW with the information provided, then your only answers will only be speculation. Those who could really answer your question remain lurkers due to insufficient numbers. We don't even know if that power supply really is 300 watts. Even that video card is not listed with power consumption for each voltage. Olav Rekve wrote: Show quoteHide quote > is 300 W PSU sufficent when i have this: > and want to replace the 900 crap card with X700 or X800XL? > Crappy 915 chipset > I have a P4 3.4 ghz prescott > 2 x 250 GB SATA with 8 MB Ram from WD > 1 GB DDR 3200 RAM > Gigabit Ethernet > Win XP PRO > the sucky Shared 900 graphic card that i was planning to swap out > wi8th the X700 or X800XL "Olav Rekve" <crownreg***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3L6Yd.638768$6l.558451@pd7tw2no...> is 300 W PSU sufficent when i have this: The 5v VSB must be rated at 2.0A for LGA 775 chips and PCI Ex.> and want to replace the 900 crap card with X700 or X800XL? > Crappy 915 chipset > I have a P4 3.4 ghz prescott > 2 x 250 GB SATA with 8 MB Ram from WD > 1 GB DDR 3200 RAM > Gigabit Ethernet > Win XP PRO > the sucky Shared 900 graphic card that i was planning to swap out wi8th > the > X700 or X800XL > > -- Chris Technical director CKCCOMPUSCRIPT Apple Computers, Intel, Roland audio, ATI, Microsoft, Sun Solaris, Cisco and Silicone Graphics. Wholesale distributor and specialist audio visual computers and servers FREE SUPPORT @, http://www.ckccomp.plus.com/site/page.HTM ckccom***@hotmail.com On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:45:35 GMT, "Olav Rekve"
<crownreg***@hotmail.com> wrote: >is 300 W PSU sufficent when i have this: You did not mention the specific power supply make and model>and want to replace the 900 crap card with X700 or X800XL? >Crappy 915 chipset >I have a P4 3.4 ghz prescott >2 x 250 GB SATA with 8 MB Ram from WD >1 GB DDR 3200 RAM >Gigabit Ethernet >Win XP PRO >the sucky Shared 900 graphic card that i was planning to swap out wi8th the >X700 or X800XL > but in general, I would get at least a 350W name-brand PSU for those parts, preferribly 400W. Seek (in a good name-brand) at least 18A capacity on the 12V rail. A generic with higher rating might not be trustworthy.
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"kony" <spam@spam.com> skrev i melding Would been great if u could come wtih some examples and if u know any in news:kjb3311o4d8ctedol3chrmirghr61a209v@4ax.com... > On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:45:35 GMT, "Olav Rekve" > <crownreg***@hotmail.com> wrote: > >>is 300 W PSU sufficent when i have this: >>and want to replace the 900 crap card with X700 or X800XL? >>Crappy 915 chipset >>I have a P4 3.4 ghz prescott >>2 x 250 GB SATA with 8 MB Ram from WD >>1 GB DDR 3200 RAM >>Gigabit Ethernet >>Win XP PRO >>the sucky Shared 900 graphic card that i was planning to swap out wi8th >>the >>X700 or X800XL >> > > > You did not mention the specific power supply make and model > but in general, I would get at least a 350W name-brand PSU > for those parts, preferribly 400W. Seek (in a good > name-brand) at least 18A capacity on the 12V rail. A > generic with higher rating might not be trustworthy. canada which i can combine with a grahic card so it goes as max 350 cdn?? THanks "Olav Rekve" <crownreg***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:droYd.645247$Xk.159467@pd7tw3no...Show quoteHide quote > Here's an example: http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=20380> "kony" <spam@spam.com> skrev i melding > news:kjb3311o4d8ctedol3chrmirghr61a209v@4ax.com... >> On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:45:35 GMT, "Olav Rekve" >> <crownreg***@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>>is 300 W PSU sufficent when i have this: >>>and want to replace the 900 crap card with X700 or X800XL? >>>Crappy 915 chipset >>>I have a P4 3.4 ghz prescott >>>2 x 250 GB SATA with 8 MB Ram from WD >>>1 GB DDR 3200 RAM >>>Gigabit Ethernet >>>Win XP PRO >>>the sucky Shared 900 graphic card that i was planning to swap out wi8th >>>the >>>X700 or X800XL >>> >> >> >> You did not mention the specific power supply make and model >> but in general, I would get at least a 350W name-brand PSU >> for those parts, preferribly 400W. Seek (in a good >> name-brand) at least 18A capacity on the 12V rail. A >> generic with higher rating might not be trustworthy. > > Would been great if u could come wtih some examples and if u know any in > canada which i can combine with a grahic card so it goes as max 350 cdn?? > THanks > Don't know about Canada: I'm in the UK. -- Derek
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"Derek Baker" <m*@xyzderekbaker.eclipse.co.uk> wrote in message Unfortunately Antec don't supply that PSU to US and Canadian markets with news:-Oudndrik9uI2a_fRVnyiQ@eclipse.net.uk... > "Olav Rekve" <crownreg***@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:droYd.645247$Xk.159467@pd7tw3no... >> >> "kony" <spam@spam.com> skrev i melding >> news:kjb3311o4d8ctedol3chrmirghr61a209v@4ax.com... >>> On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:45:35 GMT, "Olav Rekve" >>> <crownreg***@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>is 300 W PSU sufficent when i have this: >>>>and want to replace the 900 crap card with X700 or X800XL? >>>>Crappy 915 chipset >>>>I have a P4 3.4 ghz prescott >>>>2 x 250 GB SATA with 8 MB Ram from WD >>>>1 GB DDR 3200 RAM >>>>Gigabit Ethernet >>>>Win XP PRO >>>>the sucky Shared 900 graphic card that i was planning to swap out wi8th >>>>the >>>>X700 or X800XL >>>> >>> >>> >>> You did not mention the specific power supply make and model >>> but in general, I would get at least a 350W name-brand PSU >>> for those parts, preferribly 400W. Seek (in a good >>> name-brand) at least 18A capacity on the 12V rail. A >>> generic with higher rating might not be trustworthy. >> >> Would been great if u could come wtih some examples and if u know any in >> canada which i can combine with a grahic card so it goes as max 350 cdn?? >> THanks >> > > Here's an example: http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=20380 > > Don't know about Canada: I'm in the UK. > > -- > Derek Active Power Factor Correction though (unlike for the UK/European markets). This means that a Canadian bought model will end up costing its owner more in electricity bills during its use. Personally, I'd steer clear of a company with such double standards because of this. Paul On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 21:53:13 GMT, "Olav Rekve"
<crownreg***@hotmail.com> wrote: Show quoteHide quote > I dont' know the canadian market nor what's available where>"kony" <spam@spam.com> skrev i melding >news:kjb3311o4d8ctedol3chrmirghr61a209v@4ax.com... >> On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:45:35 GMT, "Olav Rekve" >> <crownreg***@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>>is 300 W PSU sufficent when i have this: >>>and want to replace the 900 crap card with X700 or X800XL? >>>Crappy 915 chipset >>>I have a P4 3.4 ghz prescott >>>2 x 250 GB SATA with 8 MB Ram from WD >>>1 GB DDR 3200 RAM >>>Gigabit Ethernet >>>Win XP PRO >>>the sucky Shared 900 graphic card that i was planning to swap out wi8th >>>the >>>X700 or X800XL >>> >> >> >> You did not mention the specific power supply make and model >> but in general, I would get at least a 350W name-brand PSU >> for those parts, preferribly 400W. Seek (in a good >> name-brand) at least 18A capacity on the 12V rail. A >> generic with higher rating might not be trustworthy. > >Would been great if u could come wtih some examples and if u know any in >canada which i can combine with a grahic card so it goes as max 350 cdn?? >THanks > you'd shop for a graphics card. I like Sparkle/Fortron for bang-for-buck but Antec and a few others would be sufficient too, in the ~400W range I mentioned. SInce you have a power-hungry CPU that will tend to put large change in current demand on the 12V rail, 'tis better to go with 400W+.
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"kony" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message The Antec True380 I recommended in my above post has 24A on the 12v: news:72l431tt8skhqsfqin8j311qrc6epdhsu5@4ax.com... > On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 21:53:13 GMT, "Olav Rekve" > <crownreg***@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >>"kony" <spam@spam.com> skrev i melding >>news:kjb3311o4d8ctedol3chrmirghr61a209v@4ax.com... >>> On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:45:35 GMT, "Olav Rekve" >>> <crownreg***@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>is 300 W PSU sufficent when i have this: >>>>and want to replace the 900 crap card with X700 or X800XL? >>>>Crappy 915 chipset >>>>I have a P4 3.4 ghz prescott >>>>2 x 250 GB SATA with 8 MB Ram from WD >>>>1 GB DDR 3200 RAM >>>>Gigabit Ethernet >>>>Win XP PRO >>>>the sucky Shared 900 graphic card that i was planning to swap out wi8th >>>>the >>>>X700 or X800XL >>>> >>> >>> >>> You did not mention the specific power supply make and model >>> but in general, I would get at least a 350W name-brand PSU >>> for those parts, preferribly 400W. Seek (in a good >>> name-brand) at least 18A capacity on the 12V rail. A >>> generic with higher rating might not be trustworthy. >> >>Would been great if u could come wtih some examples and if u know any in >>canada which i can combine with a grahic card so it goes as max 350 cdn?? >>THanks >> > > I dont' know the canadian market nor what's available where > you'd shop for a graphics card. I like Sparkle/Fortron for > bang-for-buck but Antec and a few others would be sufficient > too, in the ~400W range I mentioned. SInce you have a > power-hungry CPU that will tend to put large change in > current demand on the 12V rail, 'tis better to go with > 400W+. http://www.antec.com/specs/true380_spe.html -- Derek On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 02:56:26 -0000, "Derek Baker"
<m*@xyzderekbaker.eclipse.co.uk> wrote: >> I dont' know the canadian market nor what's available where Yes, but it can't be compared to some other brands' amperage>> you'd shop for a graphics card. I like Sparkle/Fortron for >> bang-for-buck but Antec and a few others would be sufficient >> too, in the ~400W range I mentioned. SInce you have a >> power-hungry CPU that will tend to put large change in >> current demand on the 12V rail, 'tis better to go with >> 400W+. > >The Antec True380 I recommended in my above post has 24A on the 12v: >http://www.antec.com/specs/true380_spe.html because that is a peak, not sustained rating. Note on your link that it also shows max total combined output of 360W, but if we give all the rails the same weighting as the spec antec provides, 24A @ 12V = 288 35A @ 5V = 175 28A @ 3.3V = 92.4 ----------------------- 555W Plus, having too small a transformer is another sign it's not going to have good recovery time even if someone tried to squeeze 24A out of it by lightly loading the rest.
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"kony" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message What do you use?news:r22531pcj48i39iq5spolduh4gh7ae0j2u@4ax.com... > On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 02:56:26 -0000, "Derek Baker" > <m*@xyzderekbaker.eclipse.co.uk> wrote: > > >>> I dont' know the canadian market nor what's available where >>> you'd shop for a graphics card. I like Sparkle/Fortron for >>> bang-for-buck but Antec and a few others would be sufficient >>> too, in the ~400W range I mentioned. SInce you have a >>> power-hungry CPU that will tend to put large change in >>> current demand on the 12V rail, 'tis better to go with >>> 400W+. >> >>The Antec True380 I recommended in my above post has 24A on the 12v: >>http://www.antec.com/specs/true380_spe.html > > > Yes, but it can't be compared to some other brands' amperage > because that is a peak, not sustained rating. Note on your > link that it also shows max total combined output of 360W, > but if we give all the rails the same weighting as the spec > antec provides, > > 24A @ 12V = 288 > 35A @ 5V = 175 > 28A @ 3.3V = 92.4 > ----------------------- > 555W > > Plus, having too small a transformer is another sign it's > not going to have good recovery time even if someone tried > to squeeze 24A out of it by lightly loading the rest. -- Derek On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 07:08:18 -0000, "Derek Baker"
<m*@xyzderekbaker.eclipse.co.uk> wrote: Show quoteHide quote >"kony" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message Depends on the system?>news:r22531pcj48i39iq5spolduh4gh7ae0j2u@4ax.com... >> On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 02:56:26 -0000, "Derek Baker" >> <m*@xyzderekbaker.eclipse.co.uk> wrote: >> >> >>>> I dont' know the canadian market nor what's available where >>>> you'd shop for a graphics card. I like Sparkle/Fortron for >>>> bang-for-buck but Antec and a few others would be sufficient >>>> too, in the ~400W range I mentioned. SInce you have a >>>> power-hungry CPU that will tend to put large change in >>>> current demand on the 12V rail, 'tis better to go with >>>> 400W+. >>> >>>The Antec True380 I recommended in my above post has 24A on the 12v: >>>http://www.antec.com/specs/true380_spe.html >> >> >> Yes, but it can't be compared to some other brands' amperage >> because that is a peak, not sustained rating. Note on your >> link that it also shows max total combined output of 360W, >> but if we give all the rails the same weighting as the spec >> antec provides, >> >> 24A @ 12V = 288 >> 35A @ 5V = 175 >> 28A @ 3.3V = 92.4 >> ----------------------- >> 555W >> >> Plus, having too small a transformer is another sign it's >> not going to have good recovery time even if someone tried >> to squeeze 24A out of it by lightly loading the rest. > >What do you use? OP has a (Prescott?) P4, I don't run those so I partly avoid highest 12V needs, but even so I use Sparkle/Fortron when the price is right. That is, I don't stick with one brand but buy on spot prices. Antec will work though, but ideally higher than a True 380 when a system has such a large variable load on a particular rail... that's the most difficult problem with modern systems, IMO, too many people focus on cooling when even the retail 'sink will suffice.
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"kony" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message I decided to take no chances when I had to upgrade from a FSP300 to cope news:tl96311k1t25dhvkl4hvfqre1au5l2t50u@4ax.com... > On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 07:08:18 -0000, "Derek Baker" > <m*@xyzderekbaker.eclipse.co.uk> wrote: > >>"kony" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message >>news:r22531pcj48i39iq5spolduh4gh7ae0j2u@4ax.com... >>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 02:56:26 -0000, "Derek Baker" >>> <m*@xyzderekbaker.eclipse.co.uk> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>> I dont' know the canadian market nor what's available where >>>>> you'd shop for a graphics card. I like Sparkle/Fortron for >>>>> bang-for-buck but Antec and a few others would be sufficient >>>>> too, in the ~400W range I mentioned. SInce you have a >>>>> power-hungry CPU that will tend to put large change in >>>>> current demand on the 12V rail, 'tis better to go with >>>>> 400W+. >>>> >>>>The Antec True380 I recommended in my above post has 24A on the 12v: >>>>http://www.antec.com/specs/true380_spe.html >>> >>> >>> Yes, but it can't be compared to some other brands' amperage >>> because that is a peak, not sustained rating. Note on your >>> link that it also shows max total combined output of 360W, >>> but if we give all the rails the same weighting as the spec >>> antec provides, >>> >>> 24A @ 12V = 288 >>> 35A @ 5V = 175 >>> 28A @ 3.3V = 92.4 >>> ----------------------- >>> 555W >>> >>> Plus, having too small a transformer is another sign it's >>> not going to have good recovery time even if someone tried >>> to squeeze 24A out of it by lightly loading the rest. >> >>What do you use? > > Depends on the system? > OP has a (Prescott?) P4, I don't run those so I partly avoid > highest 12V needs, but even so I use Sparkle/Fortron when > the price is right. That is, I don't stick with one brand > but buy on spot prices. Antec will work though, but > ideally higher than a True 380 when a system has such a > large variable load on a particular rail... that's the most > difficult problem with modern systems, IMO, too many people > focus on cooling when even the retail 'sink will suffice. with my new X800 last year: I went for the True 550. -- Derek No, 300 Watts is NOT enough. This is especially true for cheap power supply
units which are built with substandard parts. -- DaveW "Olav Rekve" <crownreg***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3L6Yd.638768$6l.558451@pd7tw2no...Show quoteHide quote > is 300 W PSU sufficent when i have this: > and want to replace the 900 crap card with X700 or X800XL? > Crappy 915 chipset > I have a P4 3.4 ghz prescott > 2 x 250 GB SATA with 8 MB Ram from WD > 1 GB DDR 3200 RAM > Gigabit Ethernet > Win XP PRO > the sucky Shared 900 graphic card that i was planning to swap out wi8th > the > X700 or X800XL > > 
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