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Processor without cooler?
I have a Pentium III-500Mhz from which the processor cooler has started to make a lot of noise. I was wondering if it would be possible to keep the machine running without the cooler. Can anybody tell me whether or not this is possible? The machine has a heatsink (is this the right word?) of about 10x5x2 cm, with the cooler on top. Thanks in advance, Princess Morgiah If the fan fails completely, you will be buying a new processor as well, if
the computer does not shut down fast enough. I have seen this in environments where they let these go until they die. For the cost of a processor, and possibly for a damaged mother board, you can have many new fans installed! -- Jerry G. ====== "Princess Morgiah" <princess_morgiah_nospamplease@yahoo.com> wrote in I have a Pentium III-500Mhz from which the processor cooler has started tomessage news:0CoWd.30324$Ob2.3099699@phobos.telenet-ops.be... Hi, make a lot of noise. I was wondering if it would be possible to keep the machine running without the cooler. Can anybody tell me whether or not this is possible? The machine has a heatsink (is this the right word?) of about 10x5x2 cm, with the cooler on top. Thanks in advance, Princess Morgiah No, the processor will overheat and destroy itself.
-- Show quoteHide quoteDaveW "Princess Morgiah" <princess_morgiah_nospamplease@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:0CoWd.30324$Ob2.3099699@phobos.telenet-ops.be... > Hi, > > I have a Pentium III-500Mhz from which the processor cooler has started to > make a lot of noise. I was wondering if it would be possible to keep the > machine running without the cooler. > > Can anybody tell me whether or not this is possible? The machine has a > heatsink (is this the right word?) of about 10x5x2 cm, with the cooler on > top. > > Thanks in advance, > > Princess Morgiah > > DaveW wrote:
> No, the processor will overheat and destroy itself. Bah. The processor needs upgrading anyways. The OP should just let it > die and keep a video camera handy. :) "GFree" <nickt4***@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message Nice suggestion - and I almost did that. In an effort to find out what wasnews:422bcde5$1@yorrell.saard.net... > DaveW wrote: > > No, the processor will overheat and destroy itself. > > > > Bah. The processor needs upgrading anyways. The OP should just let it > die and keep a video camera handy. :) happening to the fan, I lifted the fan off the processor (while running) and tried to see what was the matter with it. Within ten minutes, I could feel a big difference in temperature in the heat sink, so I put it back on. I've moved all the stuff to another machine and now I keep that one running. I'm not going to upgrade the machine - it's just one of the many machines I have around the house for testing and stuff, it's not my main machine. Sorry GFree, but you'll have to find your video somewhere else :) Thanks everyone for your advice! Princess Morgiah On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 20:26:36 GMT, "Princess Morgiah"
<princess_morgiah_nospamplease@yahoo.com> wrote: >Hi, Yes, but not for very long. Less than a second, actually, at which> >I have a Pentium III-500Mhz from which the processor cooler has started to >make a lot of noise. I was wondering if it would be possible to keep the >machine running without the cooler. point, either the thermal protection will kick in (assuming the CPU has it) and shut it down, or it fries in a plume of white smoke. With the stock heatsink and a dead or removed fan, it might run longer, but it still probably won't be able to dump enough heat unless you can get some air flow over those fins (that's what the fan was doing). > You should probably stop using it and buy yourself a new cooler. If>Can anybody tell me whether or not this is possible? The machine has a >heatsink (is this the right word?) of about 10x5x2 cm, with the cooler on >top. > >Thanks in advance, > >Princess Morgiah > this is the slot-1 version, it is still possible to replace the cooler. I've seen instructions on websites for removing the stock slot-1 cooler. It's actually much easier to put the aftermarket coolers on than it is to remove the stock cooler. The only problem I see at this point is that the slot1 replacement coolers might be tough to find now, given that intel doesn't make slot1 CPUs anymore. --------------------------------------------- MCheu
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"MCheu" <mpc***@yahoo.com> wrote in message Thanks - I'm looking for a new cooler at the moment. But I just wanted tonews:kocp219r9d22p3818eq96n98jts0n3cefu@4ax.com... > On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 20:26:36 GMT, "Princess Morgiah" > <princess_morgiah_nospamplease@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >Hi, > > > >I have a Pentium III-500Mhz from which the processor cooler has started to > >make a lot of noise. I was wondering if it would be possible to keep the > >machine running without the cooler. > > Yes, but not for very long. Less than a second, actually, at which > point, either the thermal protection will kick in (assuming the CPU > has it) and shut it down, or it fries in a plume of white smoke. With > the stock heatsink and a dead or removed fan, it might run longer, but > it still probably won't be able to dump enough heat unless you can get > some air flow over those fins (that's what the fan was doing). reply because the timeframe you gave is WAY off. I've removed the cooler and let the processor run without it, and it ran just fine for over 15 minutes, after which I reattached the cooler on a slightly warmer heatsink, so I guess the second is a bit too far fetched. Regards, Princess Morgiah On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 19:46:02 GMT, "Princess Morgiah"
<princess_morgiah_nospamplease@yahoo.com> wrote: > You say you reattached the cooler on a "slightly warmer heatsink",>Thanks - I'm looking for a new cooler at the moment. But I just wanted to >reply because the timeframe you gave is WAY off. > >I've removed the cooler and let the processor run without it, and it ran >just fine for over 15 minutes, after which I reattached the cooler on a >slightly warmer heatsink, so I guess the second is a bit too far fetched. > >Regards, > >Princess Morgiah > which suggests that we might not be talking about the same thing. A CPU cooler (specifically an air cooled CPU cooler) is the heatsink and fan, not just the fan. --------------------------------------------- MCheu For some reason the thermal glue they used on (at least) the
pentiumIII's that I have is some intense substance intended to permanently adhere the CPU to the heatsink. The cheesy little fan sits on top. ('natch) Pentium III's usually take a fan which is 50mm or 60mm square. (whichever size the heatsink is.) You could try the same manufacturer, maybe AAVID, or whatever. On a side note, Pentium II 333Mhz (slot something) were built to run without fans, just the heatsink. I like that. It's quiet. If you try to take the heatsink off the CPU, and succeed, please re-post. I'd like to know your method of seperation. I've had no luck in this regard, and I would not recommend trying it. -Homer MCheu wrote: Show quoteHide quote > On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 19:46:02 GMT, "Princess Morgiah" > <princess_morgiah_nospamplease@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >>Thanks - I'm looking for a new cooler at the moment. But I just wanted to >>reply because the timeframe you gave is WAY off. >> >>I've removed the cooler and let the processor run without it, and it ran >>just fine for over 15 minutes, after which I reattached the cooler on a >>slightly warmer heatsink, so I guess the second is a bit too far fetched. >> >>Regards, >> >>Princess Morgiah >> > > > You say you reattached the cooler on a "slightly warmer heatsink", > which suggests that we might not be talking about the same thing. > > A CPU cooler (specifically an air cooled CPU cooler) is the heatsink > and fan, not just the fan. > > --------------------------------------------- > > MCheu On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 04:45:20 GMT, Homer Simpson
<mysterious***@earthlink.net> wrote: >For some reason the thermal glue they used on (at least) the Run the computer until the heat sink is warm/hot. Turn off the>pentiumIII's that I have is some intense substance intended to >permanently adhere the CPU to the heatsink. The cheesy little fan sits >on top. ('natch) Pentium III's usually take a fan which is 50mm or 60mm >square. (whichever size the heatsink is.) You could try the same >manufacturer, maybe AAVID, or whatever. > >On a side note, Pentium II 333Mhz (slot something) were built to run >without fans, just the heatsink. I like that. It's quiet. > >If you try to take the heatsink off the CPU, and succeed, please >re-post. I'd like to know your method of seperation. I've had no luck >in this regard, and I would not recommend trying it. computer and immediately remove the heat sink clamp. Then rotate the heat sink slightly clockwise and counterclockwise. This should break the adhesion between the CPU and heat sink. Show quoteHide quote > >-Homer > >MCheu wrote: >> On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 19:46:02 GMT, "Princess Morgiah" >> <princess_morgiah_nospamplease@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >>>Thanks - I'm looking for a new cooler at the moment. But I just wanted to >>>reply because the timeframe you gave is WAY off. >>> >>>I've removed the cooler and let the processor run without it, and it ran >>>just fine for over 15 minutes, after which I reattached the cooler on a >>>slightly warmer heatsink, so I guess the second is a bit too far fetched. >>> >>>Regards, >>> >>>Princess Morgiah >>> >> >> >> You say you reattached the cooler on a "slightly warmer heatsink", >> which suggests that we might not be talking about the same thing. >> >> A CPU cooler (specifically an air cooled CPU cooler) is the heatsink >> and fan, not just the fan. >> >> --------------------------------------------- >> >> MCheu On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 04:45:20 GMT, Homer Simpson
<mysterious***@earthlink.net> wrote: Show quoteHide quote >For some reason the thermal glue they used on (at least) the IIRC, after you get the back plastic casing cover off, there>pentiumIII's that I have is some intense substance intended to >permanently adhere the CPU to the heatsink. The cheesy little fan sits >on top. ('natch) Pentium III's usually take a fan which is 50mm or 60mm >square. (whichever size the heatsink is.) You could try the same >manufacturer, maybe AAVID, or whatever. > >On a side note, Pentium II 333Mhz (slot something) were built to run >without fans, just the heatsink. I like that. It's quiet. > >If you try to take the heatsink off the CPU, and succeed, please >re-post. I'd like to know your method of seperation. I've had no luck >in this regard, and I would not recommend trying it. are a couple of sping-tension clips that catch on slots, the slots on studs that are pressed into the heat spreader and pass through the CPU PCB. Once the clips are released (perhaps the trickiest part, holding them down while prying up a little tab on each end) the whole spreader + fin assembly should slip out. On 3rd party 'sinks there might just be little claws or a spring clip that passes through the PCB the opposite direction, catching on the 'sink itself instead of on the springy part. Once you get the back plastic cover off it should be easy to see what you're dealing with. If you've gotten that far and it's still stuck, running it for a few minutes (or heating the 'sink fins with a hair-dryer) should soften up the thermal interface pad. >I have a Pentium III-500Mhz from which the processor cooler has started to It will run for an hour or two at most with just the heatsink and no fan, but it>make a lot of noise. I was wondering if it would be possible to keep the >machine running without the cooler. will get very hot.. Just use a 7v hack for the fan to slow it down: http://freeweb.siol.net/jerman55/HP/fanStuff1a.htm (20 cents worth of components and a little soldering) Also clean the dust off the fan, peel off the sticker on one side, and squirt in some WD-40 or simmilar spray lubricant (this will quiten it for a little while). Regards, Chris On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 19:19:17 -0500, "Skeleton Man"
<inva***@guestwho.com> wrote: >>I have a Pentium III-500Mhz from which the processor cooler has started to no no no ! Better to use some "heavy" non abrasive oil or better dense>>make a lot of noise. >Also clean the dust off the fan, peel off the sticker on one side, and squirt in >some WD-40 or simmilar spray lubricant (this will quiten it for a little while). lithium grease! Those old Intel ball bearing fans if lubed with light oil or worse with WD-40 became after few weeks even noisier than before !!! (that irritating high pitched noise!) If the fan starts w/o problem with only +5V, maybe that would be the best way to go /more schematics are there under electronics on my site/... :-) ... 1/3 of RPMs should be enough for that CPUs cooler IMHO ... -- Show quoteHide quote˛˛ ˛˛ Regards , SPAJKY ® \\.//_. mail addr. @ my site @ http://www.spajky.vze.com \°/ ".. long live & prosper.." - 3rd Anniversary running it: || "Tualatin OC-ed / BX-Slot1 / inaudible setup!" On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 19:19:17 -0500, "Skeleton Man"
<inva***@guestwho.com> wrote: >>I have a Pentium III-500Mhz from which the processor cooler has started to Depends quite a bit on whether PIII Katmai or Coppermine,>>make a lot of noise. I was wondering if it would be possible to keep the >>machine running without the cooler. > >It will run for an hour or two at most with just the heatsink and no fan, but it >will get very hot.. the former produced over 60% more heat than the latter. A P3-500 Coppermine is relatively easy to cool passively, especially if the PSU or rear exhaust had a ductwork/snorkel directing airflow as many OEMs used. > Not WD40 which isn't actually a lubricant. Use high>Just use a 7v hack for the fan to slow it down: >http://freeweb.siol.net/jerman55/HP/fanStuff1a.htm (20 cents worth of components >and a little soldering) > >Also clean the dust off the fan, peel off the sticker on one side, and squirt in >some WD-40 or simmilar spray lubricant (this will quiten it for a little while). > >Regards, >Chris > viscosity (think) lube, thick oil approaching (not quite) grease is preferred, and only if it's a sleeve bearing. Spraying WD40 into a ball bearing will not only make it louder (if any actually made it past the bearing seal) but might ruin it over time. >Not WD40 which isn't actually a lubricant. Use high Works for me as a quick fix when I have nothing.. tho after a week max it's>viscosity (think) lube, thick oil approaching (not quite) >grease is preferred, and only if it's a sleeve bearing. >Spraying WD40 into a ball bearing will not only make it >louder (if any actually made it past the bearing seal) but >might ruin it over time. worse than before.. so maybe not a great idea.. What about using white grease ? (I have a tube full of the stuff) Regards, Chris On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:43:30 -0500, "Skeleton Man"
<inva***@guestwho.com> wrote: Show quoteHide quote >>Not WD40 which isn't actually a lubricant. Use high Well if there were some emergency and the box *HAD* to keep>>viscosity (think) lube, thick oil approaching (not quite) >>grease is preferred, and only if it's a sleeve bearing. >>Spraying WD40 into a ball bearing will not only make it >>louder (if any actually made it past the bearing seal) but >>might ruin it over time. > >Works for me as a quick fix when I have nothing.. tho after a week max it's >worse than before.. so maybe not a great idea.. > >What about using white grease ? (I have a tube full of the stuff) > >Regards, >Chris > running and all I had was a can of WD40 and a pair of galoshes, the WD40 seems like it'd work better. The ideal lube for a sleeve-bearing fan already worn out enough to need lubed, evidenced by increase in noise, would displace the "slack" worn into the bearing, and be thin enough to seep into the bearingway but thick enough to not all run back out. Generally when something is called "grease" it's too thick, but most readily-available oils are too thin. Between the two I'd choose the thickest oil possible but as mentioned I chose another alternative, a synthetic grease that's already fairly thin mixed with just a little oil. It is more effort than most would need to go to for a typical 80x 25mm fan but quite beneficial on difficult fans like those small and thin or non-vertically mounted, as found on northbridges, video cards, etc. On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:57:30 GMT, kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:
>The ideal lube for a sleeve-bearing fan already worn out I used a year ago on all my 7 fans (oldest has around 8 years!) an>enough to need lubed, evidenced by increase in noise, would >displace the "slack" worn into the bearing, and be thin >enough to seep into the bearingway but thick enough to not >all run back out. Generally when something is called >"grease" it's too thick, but most readily-available oils are >too thin. Between the two I'd choose the thickest oil >possible but as mentioned I chose another alternative, a >synthetic grease that's already fairly thin mixed with just >a little oil. It is more effort than most would need to go >to for a typical 80x 25mm fan but quite beneficial on >difficult fans like those small and thin or non-vertically >mounted, as found on northbridges, video cards, etc. automotive heavy lithium grease (very thick!), no problems anymore!!! -- Show quoteHide quote˛˛ ˛˛ Regards , SPAJKY ® \\.//_. mail addr. @ my site @ http://www.spajky.vze.com \°/ ".. long live & prosper.." - 3rd Anniversary running it: || "Tualatin OC-ed / BX-Slot1 / inaudible setup!" On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:01:50 +0100, Spajky
<Spajky@##volja.net> wrote: Show quoteHide quote >On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:57:30 GMT, kony <spam@spam.com> wrote: My success with only grease depended a lot on how much oil> >>The ideal lube for a sleeve-bearing fan already worn out >>enough to need lubed, evidenced by increase in noise, would >>displace the "slack" worn into the bearing, and be thin >>enough to seep into the bearingway but thick enough to not >>all run back out. Generally when something is called >>"grease" it's too thick, but most readily-available oils are >>too thin. Between the two I'd choose the thickest oil >>possible but as mentioned I chose another alternative, a >>synthetic grease that's already fairly thin mixed with just >>a little oil. It is more effort than most would need to go >>to for a typical 80x 25mm fan but quite beneficial on >>difficult fans like those small and thin or non-vertically >>mounted, as found on northbridges, video cards, etc. > >I used a year ago on all my 7 fans (oldest has around 8 years!) an >automotive heavy lithium grease (very thick!), no problems anymore!!! was left in the bearing still... if it was dry already the grease didn't do so well. A good lubing certainly can make a difference though, I've pulled fans out of power supply exhausts that had seized up, the whole PSU baked till it failed, and after relubing the fans twice (once to flush out debris) most still work pretty good. I'd not rely on such a fan for anything important though, but that could also be largely because I have plenty of fans. kony wrote:
Show quoteHide quote > On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:01:50 +0100, Spajky Plenty of fans> A rock star in the making I reckon youd be a pretty cool > <Spajky@##volja.net> wrote: > > >>On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:57:30 GMT, kony <spam@spam.com> wrote: >> >> >>>The ideal lube for a sleeve-bearing fan already worn out >>>enough to need lubed, evidenced by increase in noise, would >>>displace the "slack" worn into the bearing, and be thin >>>enough to seep into the bearingway but thick enough to not >>>all run back out. Generally when something is called >>>"grease" it's too thick, but most readily-available oils are >>>too thin. Between the two I'd choose the thickest oil >>>possible but as mentioned I chose another alternative, a >>>synthetic grease that's already fairly thin mixed with just >>>a little oil. It is more effort than most would need to go >>>to for a typical 80x 25mm fan but quite beneficial on >>>difficult fans like those small and thin or non-vertically >>>mounted, as found on northbridges, video cards, etc. >> >>I used a year ago on all my 7 fans (oldest has around 8 years!) an >>automotive heavy lithium grease (very thick!), no problems anymore!!! > > > My success with only grease depended a lot on how much oil > was left in the bearing still... if it was dry already the > grease didn't do so well. A good lubing certainly can make > a difference though, I've pulled fans out of power supply > exhausts that had seized up, the whole PSU baked till it > failed, and after relubing the fans twice (once to flush out > debris) most still work pretty good. I'd not rely on such a > fan for anything important though, but that could also be > largely because I have plenty of fans. guy too huh? Oh please |
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