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Author
22 Feb 2005 1:43 PM
Newfdog
Hi all.. I just purchased an external harddrive case and installed a
200G harddrive in it. When placed in its stand the case puts the
harddrive on its side which got me to wondering, is there a preferred
orientation for harddrives wrt to longevity or does it not matter?

Thanks
Newfdog

Author
22 Feb 2005 3:55 PM
John McGaw
Newfdog wrote:
> Hi all.. I just purchased an external harddrive case and installed a
> 200G harddrive in it. When placed in its stand the case puts the
> harddrive on its side which got me to wondering, is there a preferred
> orientation for harddrives wrt to longevity or does it not matter?
>
> Thanks
> Newfdog

http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/op/packOrientation-c.html

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John McGaw
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Author
22 Feb 2005 6:26 PM
Burning_Ranger
Newfdog wrote:
> Hi all.. I just purchased an external harddrive case and installed a
> 200G harddrive in it. When placed in its stand the case puts the
> harddrive on its side which got me to wondering, is there a preferred
> orientation for harddrives wrt to longevity or does it not matter?

It does not matter.

--

Burning_Ranger

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Author
22 Feb 2005 7:00 PM
bearman
"Newfdog" <newfdog2nospam@warp.nfld.net> wrote in message
news:YFGSd.6753$oh4.271156@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> Hi all.. I just purchased an external harddrive case and installed a
> 200G harddrive in it. When placed in its stand the case puts the
> harddrive on its side which got me to wondering, is there a preferred
> orientation for harddrives wrt to longevity or does it not matter?
>
> Thanks
> Newfdog


It doesn't matter.  You can even run them upside down.

--
Bearman
If it's got tits, tires, tubes, or transistors,  it's trouble.
Author
22 Feb 2005 7:28 PM
Timothy Daniels
"Newfdog" wrote:
> Hi all.. I just purchased an external harddrive case and installed a
> 200G harddrive in it. When placed in its stand the case puts the
> harddrive on its side which got me to wondering, is there a preferred
> orientation for harddrives wrt to longevity or does it not matter?


    About 1 1/2 years ago, I called the Tech Support at Maxtor,
    Western Digital, and Seagate.  They all said that the orientation
    didn't matter, but one (I don't recall which) said that the HD
    should be "not at a slant".  Whether "not at a slant" is just
    superstition (e.g. a HD that failed happened to be at a slant)
    or a real problem probably can't be known, but it's easy to avoid.

*TimDaniels*
Author
23 Feb 2005 12:04 AM
kony
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:28:41 -0800, "Timothy Daniels"
<TDaniels@NoSpamDot.com> wrote:

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>"Newfdog" wrote:
>> Hi all.. I just purchased an external harddrive case and installed a
>> 200G harddrive in it. When placed in its stand the case puts the
>> harddrive on its side which got me to wondering, is there a preferred
>> orientation for harddrives wrt to longevity or does it not matter?
>
>
>    About 1 1/2 years ago, I called the Tech Support at Maxtor,
>    Western Digital, and Seagate.  They all said that the orientation
>    didn't matter, but one (I don't recall which) said that the HD
>    should be "not at a slant".  Whether "not at a slant" is just
>    superstition (e.g. a HD that failed happened to be at a slant)
>    or a real problem probably can't be known, but it's easy to avoid.
>
>*TimDaniels*

I don't recall which  one, but one manufacturer has
definitely specified not to put them at a slant... a certain
# of degrees off horizontal was their terminology I believe.
Might've been Western Digital or Maxtor, I just can't
remember which one (or some other).
Author
22 Feb 2005 7:31 PM
kony
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:43:20 GMT, Newfdog
<newfdog2nospam@warp.nfld.net> wrote:

>Hi all.. I just purchased an external harddrive case and installed a
>200G harddrive in it. When placed in its stand the case puts the
>harddrive on its side which got me to wondering, is there a preferred
>orientation for harddrives wrt to longevity or does it not matter?
>
>Thanks
>Newfdog

In theory  it doesn't matter.  In practice I've noticed
drives mounted vertically seemed to get much louder over
time, though this was after 2-3 years operation of the WD
ball-bearing based drives (comparing about 9 of them
installed near-simultaneous in different systems).  This may
not be true with fluid-bearing and is only a suggestion that
if it doesn't matter either way, I'd be inclined to choose
horizontal mounting if/when chassis supports it.
Author
22 Feb 2005 8:23 PM
do_not_spam_me
Newfdog wrote:
> I just purchased an external harddrive case and installed a
> 200G harddrive in it. When placed in its stand the case
> puts the harddrive on its side which got me to wondering,
> is there a preferred orientation for harddrives wrt to
> longevity or does it not matter?

When there's no fan cooling of the drive, vertical orientation is
preferred because it keeps the drive mechanics slightly cooler and some
of the electronics as much as 20C cooler.

For at least the past 5-10 years, drive manufacturers have allowed any
orientation, but some used to require an almost perfectly vertical or
perfectly horizontal orientation, and Seagate once prohibited standing
their drives vertically with the front at the bottom, probably because
this created balance problems with the head arm assembly.

Regarding the bearings, the following, written years ago by Randy Van
De Loo, a mechanical engineer who owned a drive rebuilding business,
says orientation is irrelevant to them:

---------------------------------------------------------

"The bearing assemblys in the actuators as well as the spindles are
*ALL*
pre-loaded "ball" bearings which are of the exact same specification in
size
and pre-load top and bottom.  This even includes the Maxtor FH drives
which
use "4" spindle bearings.

A ball bearing has no particular recommended orientation as far as
radial-load/thrust is concerned.  It is not a heavy duty "thrust" type
bearing, but is designed to take thrust loads as high as half of it's
perpendicular or radial load.  The type of bearings used in hard drives
are
generic low noise ABEC 2 - 5 sealed ball bearings.  The ones we use in
rebuilding use a special lubricant which is conductive to allow the
dissipation of static in the event the static discharge tab is removed
or
somehow disabled.

Think about it this way.  Ball Bearings are designed to take at least
twice the radial load as thrust load.  Since this is a given, follow me
with this one, if the drive is mounted with the platters parallel to
the
plane of the earth, gravity would place the majority of the load on the
bearings in a THRUST orientation rather than RADIAL which is actually
going to cause MORE WEAR than mounting the drive on it's side.  Now, if
you've followed me so far through the other conversations we've had on
the subject, you remember that I told you that the bearings are held
with
a constant "pre-load" tension (usually with bellview washers - conical
spring washers), which further changes some of this thrust load to
radial
load.  This effectively makes the bearing capable of doing more work in
any position because of the distribution of the load.

As far as your friends drive is concerned:

If the mounting orientation is at fault, then the bearings must have
been
defective to begin with (it's been know to happen).  Think about it
this
way.  Ball Bearings are designed to take at least twice the radial load
as
thrust load.  Since this is a given, follow me with this one, if the
drive
is mounted with the platters parallel to the plane of the earth,
gravity
would place the majority of the load on the bearings in a THRUST
orientation
rather than RADIAL which is actually going to cause more wear than
mounting
the drive on it's side.  Now, if you've followed me so far through the
other
conversations we've had on the subject, you remember that I told you
that
the bearings are held with a constant "pre-load" tension (usually with
bellview washers - conical spring washers), which further changes some
of
this thrust load to radial load.  This effectively makes the bearing
capable
of doing more work in any position because of the distribution of the
load."
Author
22 Feb 2005 11:26 PM
Newfdog
Newfdog wrote:
> Hi all.. I just purchased an external harddrive case and installed a
> 200G harddrive in it. When placed in its stand the case puts the
> harddrive on its side which got me to wondering, is there a preferred
> orientation for harddrives wrt to longevity or does it not matter?
>
> Thanks
> Newfdog
Thanks guys...

Newfdog