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Affordable, compact 720p camcorder. Is the Sanyo HD2 good/the best?

Author
20 Nov 2007 1:03 PM
Evert
Hi all!

I've been checking out Compact, affordable 720p camcorders a bit, and
I'm getting the impression that the Sanyo VPC-HD2 (
http://sanyodigital.com/product.aspx?v=2 ) is a good buy. Am I
correct?

I'm looking for a camcorder that can do 720p and preferably uses a
memory card of some kind for storage.


Can anyone confirm the HD2 is the way to go, or recommend an even
better one?


Regards,
  Evert

Author
21 Nov 2007 1:53 AM
PTravel
I'm not sure why you want 720p, nor am I sure why you'd want solid state
storage.

The best consumer high-def camcorder around right now is the Canon HV20,
which does 1080i and uses miniDV tapes.

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"Evert" <emeu***@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ecc16797-1713-485a-844b-28aa5ca4781d@e1g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> Hi all!
>
> I've been checking out Compact, affordable 720p camcorders a bit, and
> I'm getting the impression that the Sanyo VPC-HD2 (
> http://sanyodigital.com/product.aspx?v=2 ) is a good buy. Am I
> correct?
>
> I'm looking for a camcorder that can do 720p and preferably uses a
> memory card of some kind for storage.
>
>
> Can anyone confirm the HD2 is the way to go, or recommend an even
> better one?
>
>
> Regards,
>  Evert
Author
21 Nov 2007 11:17 AM
Evert
On Nov 21, 2:53 am, "PTravel" <ptra***@travelersvideo.com> wrote:
> I'm not sure why you want 720p, nor am I sure why you'd want solid state
> storage.

Because 720p is better than 480 ;-)
Solid state storage means less moving parts, a smaller size and
weight.


> The best consumer high-def camcorder around right now is the Canon HV20,
> which does 1080i and uses miniDV tapes.

....and which costs almost 2x as much over here... A bit outside my
budget...


Are there any camcorders comparable to the HD2, both in features &
price which I should include in my evaluation, or is the HD2 lonely on
the top? ;-)

Regards,
  Evert


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>
> "Evert" <emeu***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:ecc16797-1713-485a-844b-28aa5ca4781d@e1g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Hi all!
>
> > I've been checking out Compact, affordable 720p camcorders a bit, and
> > I'm getting the impression that the Sanyo VPC-HD2 (
> >http://sanyodigital.com/product.aspx?v=2) is a good buy. Am I
> > correct?
>
> > I'm looking for a camcorder that can do 720p and preferably uses a
> > memory card of some kind for storage.
>
> > Can anyone confirm the HD2 is the way to go, or recommend an even
> > better one?
>
> > Regards,
> >  Evert
Author
21 Nov 2007 2:09 PM
PTravel
"Evert" <emeu***@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0c897c09-33dc-45cb-a5cb-eb6b8fb57f73@v4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 21, 2:53 am, "PTravel" <ptra***@travelersvideo.com> wrote:
>> I'm not sure why you want 720p, nor am I sure why you'd want solid state
>> storage.
>
> Because 720p is better than 480 ;-)

And 1080i is better (or, at least, captures more detail) than 720p

> Solid state storage means less moving parts, a smaller size and
> weight.

Solid state means higher compression rates, lower bandwidth, no ability to
easily archive and high media cost.
>
>
>> The best consumer high-def camcorder around right now is the Canon HV20,
>> which does 1080i and uses miniDV tapes.
>
> ...and which costs almost 2x as much over here... A bit outside my
> budget...

Where is "over here"?  In the U.S., there are sales all over the place for
as little as $720 or so.

>
>
> Are there any camcorders comparable to the HD2, both in features &
> price which I should include in my evaluation, or is the HD2 lonely on
> the top? ;-)

I can't help you with the HD2, sorry.   The HV20 is of interest (at least to
me) because it's the first (and only) consumer camcorder offering prosumer
performance in high definition.  I know of pros who are using it for B-roll
and second unit.  It has pretty good low-light performance (particularly
compared to every other consumer camcorder), good glass, a surprising amount
of manual control (though its auto modes are excellent) and can shoot 24p
(with a qualifier -- it's pulled up to 1080i/60, so there are some steps you
need to go through to pull it down again) for a film look.

Good luck!

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>
> Regards,
>  Evert
>
>
>>
>> "Evert" <emeu***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:ecc16797-1713-485a-844b-28aa5ca4781d@e1g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > Hi all!
>>
>> > I've been checking out Compact, affordable 720p camcorders a bit, and
>> > I'm getting the impression that the Sanyo VPC-HD2 (
>> >http://sanyodigital.com/product.aspx?v=2) is a good buy. Am I
>> > correct?
>>
>> > I'm looking for a camcorder that can do 720p and preferably uses a
>> > memory card of some kind for storage.
>>
>> > Can anyone confirm the HD2 is the way to go, or recommend an even
>> > better one?
>>
>> > Regards,
>> >  Evert
>
Author
21 Nov 2007 8:16 PM
Evert
On Nov 21, 3:09 pm, "PTravel" <ptra***@travelersvideo.com> wrote:
> "Evert" <emeu***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:0c897c09-33dc-45cb-a5cb-eb6b8fb57f73@v4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Nov 21, 2:53 am, "PTravel" <ptra***@travelersvideo.com> wrote:
> >> I'm not sure why you want 720p, nor am I sure why you'd want solid state
> >> storage.
>
> > Because 720p is better than 480 ;-)
>
> And 1080i is better (or, at least, captures more detail) than 720p

And both my TV's can only handle 720p, so 1080 is overkill for me.


> > Solid state storage means less moving parts, a smaller size and
> > weight.
>
> Solid state means higher compression rates, lower bandwidth, no ability to
> easily archive and high media cost.

Why not easy archive? It's a breeze to copy the data to a hard drive.


> >> The best consumer high-def camcorder around right now is the Canon HV20,
> >> which does 1080i and uses miniDV tapes.
>
> > ...and which costs almost 2x as much over here... A bit outside my
> > budget...
>
> Where is "over here"?  In the U.S., there are sales all over the place for
> as little as $720 or so.

Not relevant. Fact is that the HV20 costs 2x as much as the HD2 here,
and that's not worth it to me...


> > Are there any camcorders comparable to the HD2, both in features &
> > price which I should include in my evaluation, or is the HD2 lonely on
> > the top? ;-)
>
> I can't help you with the HD2, sorry.   The HV20 is of interest (at least to
> me) because it's the first (and only) consumer camcorder offering prosumer
> performance in high definition.  I know of pros who are using it for B-roll
> and second unit.  It has pretty good low-light performance (particularly
> compared to every other consumer camcorder), good glass, a surprising amount
> of manual control (though its auto modes are excellent) and can shoot 24p
> (with a qualifier -- it's pulled up to 1080i/60, so there are some steps you
> need to go through to pull it down again) for a film look.

Well, I hope there are any HD2 owners who read this and who can tell
me whether they're happy with their unit. :-)

Thank you for your comments though.

Regards,
  Evert
Author
22 Nov 2007 2:46 AM
PTravel
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"Evert" <emeu***@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Nov 21, 3:09 pm, "PTravel" <ptra***@travelersvideo.com> wrote:
>> "Evert" <emeu***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:0c897c09-33dc-45cb-a5cb-eb6b8fb57f73@v4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On Nov 21, 2:53 am, "PTravel" <ptra***@travelersvideo.com> wrote:
>> >> I'm not sure why you want 720p, nor am I sure why you'd want solid
>> >> state
>> >> storage.
>>
>> > Because 720p is better than 480 ;-)
>>
>> And 1080i is better (or, at least, captures more detail) than 720p
>
> And both my TV's can only handle 720p, so 1080 is overkill for me.

Ah, but think of the future. ;)

>
>
>> > Solid state storage means less moving parts, a smaller size and
>> > weight.
>>
>> Solid state means higher compression rates, lower bandwidth, no ability
>> to
>> easily archive and high media cost.
>
> Why not easy archive? It's a breeze to copy the data to a hard drive.

Hard drives are mechanical and can be prone to failure.  Tape is the most
robust (and inexpensive) archive medium around.  I have analog video tapes
close to 30 years old that still play just fine.  I haven't seen many 30
year-old hard drives that still work.

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>
>
>> >> The best consumer high-def camcorder around right now is the Canon
>> >> HV20,
>> >> which does 1080i and uses miniDV tapes.
>>
>> > ...and which costs almost 2x as much over here... A bit outside my
>> > budget...
>>
>> Where is "over here"?  In the U.S., there are sales all over the place
>> for
>> as little as $720 or so.
>
> Not relevant. Fact is that the HV20 costs 2x as much as the HD2 here,
> and that's not worth it to me...

Okay.
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>
>
>> > Are there any camcorders comparable to the HD2, both in features &
>> > price which I should include in my evaluation, or is the HD2 lonely on
>> > the top? ;-)
>>
>> I can't help you with the HD2, sorry.   The HV20 is of interest (at least
>> to
>> me) because it's the first (and only) consumer camcorder offering
>> prosumer
>> performance in high definition.  I know of pros who are using it for
>> B-roll
>> and second unit.  It has pretty good low-light performance (particularly
>> compared to every other consumer camcorder), good glass, a surprising
>> amount
>> of manual control (though its auto modes are excellent) and can shoot 24p
>> (with a qualifier -- it's pulled up to 1080i/60, so there are some steps
>> you
>> need to go through to pull it down again) for a film look.
>
> Well, I hope there are any HD2 owners who read this and who can tell
> me whether they're happy with their unit. :-)
>
> Thank you for your comments though.
>
> Regards,
>  Evert

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