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copy protection on old tapes?

Author
15 Nov 2007 12:07 AM
Edward Reid
I'm preparing to buy a DVD recorder with a VHS deck to convert our old
VHS tapes -- probably about 70 tapes. Most of them are old exercise
videos -- I doubt any are less than ten years old, and most are more
than 15 years old. Only a couple of movies, and those only because
they are so old and so unpopular that they aren't available on DVD.

Any idea if I'm likely to have trouble with copy protection on these?
If it's only on a handful, then I figure I'm still better off getting
a convenient and fairly cheap recorder (such as a Panasonic DMR-ES45VS
for $150 with shipping, or a Panasonic DMR-EZ47VK for $180 if I'd like
to go ahead and get digital tuning). I can then find another way of
converting the copy protected tapes if they are worth the bother. But
if it's going to be half the collection, then I might want to seek a
different solution, such as separate DVD recorder and VHS deck with a
filter.

Or to put it a different way, is there any easy way to figure out
whether my tapes are copy protected?

Edward

Author
15 Nov 2007 4:53 PM
davesvideo@aol.com
On Nov 14, 7:07 pm, Edward Reid <edw***@paleo.org> wrote:

> Or to put it a different way, is there any easy way to figure out
> whether my tapes are copy protected?
>

Since it costs money to add the copy protection, tapes that were cheap
to start with are less likely to have gone to the expense. If they
come from "Fly by Night" productions, they may not have the
protection.

Dave
Author
15 Nov 2007 6:05 PM
Gary A. Edelstein
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:07:47 -0800, Edward Reid <edw***@paleo.org>
wrote:

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>I'm preparing to buy a DVD recorder with a VHS deck to convert our old
>VHS tapes -- probably about 70 tapes. Most of them are old exercise
>videos -- I doubt any are less than ten years old, and most are more
>than 15 years old. Only a couple of movies, and those only because
>they are so old and so unpopular that they aren't available on DVD.
>
>Any idea if I'm likely to have trouble with copy protection on these?
>If it's only on a handful, then I figure I'm still better off getting
>a convenient and fairly cheap recorder (such as a Panasonic DMR-ES45VS
>for $150 with shipping, or a Panasonic DMR-EZ47VK for $180 if I'd like
>to go ahead and get digital tuning). I can then find another way of
>converting the copy protected tapes if they are worth the bother. But
>if it's going to be half the collection, then I might want to seek a
>different solution, such as separate DVD recorder and VHS deck with a
>filter.
>
>Or to put it a different way, is there any easy way to figure out
>whether my tapes are copy protected?
>
One easy way to tell if they are Macrovision protected is to have 2
VCRs, where the source playing VCR's A/V outputs are connected to a
recording or target VCR's A/V inputs, then try to make a recorded
copy.  If the copy won't play back properly (no picture or jumpy
picture), then you'll know they are protected.

So, if you already have one VCR, borrow another to try.  Another
option is to take a tape to a shop or store where they can setup 2
VCRs or a combo VCR/DVD recorder to try.  A combo recorder won't copy
protected tapes onto DVD.

Gary E
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Author
19 Nov 2007 9:46 PM
Edward Reid
Thanks for the suggestions!

Edward
Author
23 Nov 2007 9:07 PM
snafuone
On Nov 14, 4:07 pm, Edward Reid <edw***@paleo.org> wrote:
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> I'm preparing to buy a DVD recorder with a VHS deck to convert our old
> VHS tapes -- probably about 70 tapes. Most of them are old exercise
> videos -- I doubt any are less than ten years old, and most are more
> than 15 years old. Only a couple of movies, and those only because
> they are so old and so unpopular that they aren't available on DVD.
>
> Any idea if I'm likely to have trouble with copy protection on these?
> If it's only on a handful, then I figure I'm still better off getting
> a convenient and fairly cheap recorder (such as a Panasonic DMR-ES45VS
> for $150 with shipping, or a Panasonic DMR-EZ47VK for $180 if I'd like
> to go ahead and get digital tuning). I can then find another way of
> converting the copy protected tapes if they are worth the bother. But
> if it's going to be half the collection, then I might want to seek a
> different solution, such as separate DVD recorder and VHS deck with a
> filter.
>
> Or to put it a different way, is there any easy way to figure out
> whether my tapes are copy protected?
>
> Edward

You can find a device made by a company called Sima, which is a device
to take OUT the copy protection.  Check around on ebay for one.  You
can also get a video capture device for your PC to copy the tapes to
DVD's.  I use the Adstech DVD Xpress, which takes out ALL
macrovision.  I found this out by accident, just by purchasing it, and
attempting to capture a protected movie. I've done close to 50 movies
with this device.  Also, you can buy a JVC S-VHS recorder (not sure of
the model #) which has something on it called a TBC, which stands for
"Time Base Corrector".  It is very successful in copying tapes that
may have a lot of visual problems like snow and sync problems that you
see on old tapes.  It reproduces the video signal, making things nice
and clear, so you get a clean copy of the tape in question.  Not sure
if TBC's defeat the macrovision, but from what i understand, we are
all allowed one copy of our store-bought movies, as part of the "fair
use" act.

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