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Component Video QuestionsDS230 slim line decoder, which has the option to output both composite video and component video. With Sky TV (in New Zealand) shown on a good quality LCD TV, would you expect that you should get a noticeably better picture from component video output than you would from composite video output? I notice that Sony's latest hard disk drive / DVD recorders do not have component video input, but they do have inputs for composite video, S Video, and ilink (DV) video. Nevertheless, they do have both component video and and HDMI output. This means that you cannot record from the Pace DS230 using its component video output. When high definition SKY and Freeview broadcasts come to air, would it be an advantage to have a video recorder that has component video input? I guess that you will soon be able to buy blu-ray hard drive / DVD recorders, but I was a bit surprised that some DVD recorders do not presently have component video input. I wonder why this would be the case? Thanks for your help. David C david.c***@hotmail.com wrote in
news:1193773588.386388.102380@q5g2000prf.googlegroups.com: When displayed on a good CRT TV, there is a VERY noticable difference > Recently, I upgraded my old Sky satellite set top box to a new > Pace DS230 slim line decoder, which has the option to output > both composite video and component video. With Sky TV (in New > Zealand) shown on a good quality LCD TV, would you expect that > you should get a noticeably better picture from component video > output than you would from composite video output? between composite and S-video or RGB (I would expect Component to perform as good or better than RGB). With composite, there is dot-crawl when viewing the Sky menus, which almost completely disapears with S-video or RGB. (Sorry, I don't know for sure if an LCD would be different.) Composite is about as bad as it gets, because the frequency used for the colour information overlaps the frequency used for the high-- spatial-frequency monochrome signal (IIRC). Any of the better connection types have separate color information and are a quantum leap. On my set, with my eyes, I can't see any difference between S-video and RGB. Mark david.c***@hotmail.com wrote:
Show quote > Recently, I upgraded my old Sky satellite set top box to a new Pace I had a play a while back and the best input was RGB thru a scart > DS230 slim line decoder, which has the option to output both composite > video and component video. With Sky TV (in New Zealand) shown on a > good quality LCD TV, would you expect that you should get a noticeably > better picture from component video output than you would from > composite video output? > > I notice that Sony's latest hard disk drive / DVD recorders do not > have component video input, but they do have inputs for composite > video, S Video, and ilink (DV) video. Nevertheless, they do have both > component video and and HDMI output. > > This means that you cannot record from the Pace DS230 using its > component video output. When high definition SKY and Freeview > broadcasts come to air, would it be an advantage to have a video > recorder that has component video input? I guess that you will soon be > able to buy blu-ray hard drive / DVD recorders, but I was a bit > surprised that some DVD recorders do not presently have component > video input. I wonder why this would be the case? connection, no options to change the to component, and since sky boxes cant output svideo and component at the same time it means you have to choose between getting a good recording or watching it properly. Composite is evil and should die. Also, its a shame that only one scart on the sky box can do component On Oct 31, 6:28 pm, Richard <r***@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
Show quote > david.c***@hotmail.com wrote: Thanks a lot for the replies to date. I have connected the Sky> > Recently, I upgraded my old Sky satellite set top box to a new Pace > > DS230 slim line decoder, which has the option to output both composite > > video and component video. With Sky TV (in New Zealand) shown on a > > good quality LCD TV, would you expect that you should get a noticeably > > better picture from component video output than you would from > > composite video output? > > > I notice that Sony's latest hard disk drive / DVD recorders do not > > have component video input, but they do have inputs for composite > > video, S Video, and ilink (DV) video. Nevertheless, they do have both > > component video and and HDMI output. > > > This means that you cannot record from the Pace DS230 using its > > component video output. When high definition SKY and Freeview > > broadcasts come to air, would it be an advantage to have a video > > recorder that has component video input? I guess that you will soon be > > able to buy blu-ray hard drive / DVD recorders, but I was a bit > > surprised that some DVD recorders do not presently have component > > video input. I wonder why this would be the case? > > I had a play a while back and the best input was RGB thru a scart > connection, no options to change the to component, and since sky boxes > cant output svideo and component at the same time it means you have to > choose between getting a good recording or watching it properly. > Composite is evil and should die. > > Also, its a shame that only one scart on the sky box can do component- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - decoder's composite output signal to the DVD recorder (because for some reason my recorder doesn't have a component video input) and Sky's component output to "component in" on the LCD TV. I was told that the decoder can't have two component outputs, so it has one composite output and one component output. With my decoder, it is outputting composite video and component video at the same time (when both sets of cables are attached to the decoder). To be honest, I think the picture quality of both the composite and component outputs from the Sky decoder are much the same, the component outputted picture is not clearly superior to the composite one, which surprises me a little. Perhaps there is a limit to how much a "basic" composite Sky picture can be improved on? I am not sure why Sony's latest DVD recorder doesn't have component input, I'm sure there is a logical reason for this, because it certainly has all the other bells and whistles that you would expect from a top line DVD / HDD recorder! Regards, David Show quote
> Component in is not common and you are more likely to see RGB in as is the > Thanks a lot for the replies to date. I have connected the Sky > decoder's composite output signal to the DVD recorder (because for > some reason my recorder doesn't have a component video input) and > Sky's component output to "component in" on the LCD TV. I was told > that the decoder can't have two component outputs, so it has one > composite output and one component output. > > With my decoder, it is outputting composite video and component video > at the same time (when both sets of cables are attached to the > decoder). To be honest, I think the picture quality of both the > composite and component outputs from the Sky decoder are much the > same, the component outputted picture is not clearly superior to the > composite one, which surprises me a little. Perhaps there is a limit > to how much a "basic" composite Sky picture can be improved on? > > I am not sure why Sony's latest DVD recorder doesn't have component > input, I'm sure there is a logical reason for this, because it > certainly has all the other bells and whistles that you would expect > from a top line DVD / HDD recorder! > > Regards, David > case with Panasonic. RGB is actually superior in theory though cable length has to be kept short. The deoder I had allowed me to feed RGB to the recorder and S-Video to the TV. Re quality difference between composite and component should be reasonably clear especially on text. Show quote
On Oct 31, 9:09 pm, "J Brockley" <jsbrock***@hotmail.com> wrote: I found this background info. on component and RGB video:> > Thanks a lot for the replies to date. I have connected the Sky > > decoder's composite output signal to the DVD recorder (because for > > some reason my recorder doesn't have a component video input) and > > Sky's component output to "component in" on the LCD TV. I was told > > that the decoder can't have two component outputs, so it has one > > composite output and one component output. > > > With my decoder, it is outputting composite video and component video > > at the same time (when both sets of cables are attached to the > > decoder). To be honest, I think the picture quality of both the > > composite and component outputs from the Sky decoder are much the > > same, the component outputted picture is not clearly superior to the > > composite one, which surprises me a little. Perhaps there is a limit > > to how much a "basic" composite Sky picture can be improved on? > > > I am not sure why Sony's latest DVD recorder doesn't have component > > input, I'm sure there is a logical reason for this, because it > > certainly has all the other bells and whistles that you would expect > > from a top line DVD / HDD recorder! > > > Regards, David > > Component in is not common and you are more likely to see RGB in as is the > case with Panasonic. RGB is actually superior in theory though cable length > has to be kept short. The deoder I had allowed me to feed RGB to the > recorder and S-Video to the TV. > Re quality difference between composite and component should be reasonably > clear especially on text.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - http://www.projectorcentral.com/component.htm Although the Sony DVD recorder has S-Video input, the Sky technician said he didn't have a scart to S-Video cord and he said S-Video from Sky was not always successful (I'm not sure why). I have looked carefully at the component vs composite pictures I get on Sky, and even on smallish text, both are quite sharp. Perhaps the equipment is doing some upscaling along the way with the composite signal received by the DVD recorder? david.c***@hotmail.com wrote:
> Although the Sony DVD recorder has S-Video input, the Sky technician On static text they can use a 3d comb filter to get rid of most of the > said he didn't have a scart to S-Video cord and he said S-Video from > Sky was not always successful (I'm not sure why). I have looked > carefully at the component vs composite pictures I get on Sky, and > even on smallish text, both are quite sharp. Perhaps the equipment is > doing some upscaling along the way with the composite signal received > by the DVD recorder? zipper effects, but when things are moving that doesnt work. Its trickery to get it looking better on test patterns. Try bringing up the menu (yellow on blue - always pretty bad, not as bad as magenta on green but close) and then move the selection and watch the edges when it first appears, also the edges of the big yellow channel number when you type it in should show major zippering on composite. On Oct 31, 9:59 pm, Richard <r***@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
Show quote > david.c***@hotmail.com wrote: Thanks Richard for this suggestion, this is an excellent and demanding> > Although the Sony DVD recorder has S-Video input, the Sky technician > > said he didn't have a scart to S-Video cord and he said S-Video from > > Sky was not always successful (I'm not sure why). I have looked > > carefully at the component vs composite pictures I get on Sky, and > > even on smallish text, both are quite sharp. Perhaps the equipment is > > doing some upscaling along the way with the composite signal received > > by the DVD recorder? > > On static text they can use a 3d comb filter to get rid of most of the > zipper effects, but when things are moving that doesnt work. Its > trickery to get it looking better on test patterns. > > Try bringing up the menu (yellow on blue - always pretty bad, not as bad > as magenta on green but close) and then move the selection and watch the > edges when it first appears, also the edges of the big yellow channel > number when you type it in should show major zippering on composite. test! I tried it out, and with the component video, the yellow edges on the preferences circles and the writing underneath the circles held steady and showed no signs of shimmering. But, with the composite video, when you viewed the TV from about 1 metre away, we could see a small amount of shimmering on the edges of the circles and the writing underneath the circles. However, when we viewed the 40 inch LCD TV from the rear of the lounge (about 4 metres away), you couldn't really notice this shimmering on composite video at all (unless you looked very hard for it)! So although the picture quality is slightly improved when using component video input, the improvement is hardly noticeable on our TV unless you are very close to the screen. Nevertheless, this shows that it would pay to connect the DVD recorder to an S Video or RGB or component video cable, rather than a composite one. However, do you think there would be much difference using Richard's test between S Video and component input? On a "normal" moving picture, viewed about 4 metres from the screen, I still can't tell the difference between a composite and a component picture, but on a still picture, there is a very small drop off in quality when a composite cable is used and when you go very close to the screen. Regards, David Show quote
On Oct 31, 9:09 pm, "J Brockley" <jsbrock***@hotmail.com> wrote: I checked out the latest Panasonic 250GB HD DVD recorder (DMR-EH67GN-> > Thanks a lot for the replies to date. I have connected the Sky > > decoder's composite output signal to the DVD recorder (because for > > some reason my recorder doesn't have a component video input) and > > Sky's component output to "component in" on the LCD TV. I was told > > that the decoder can't have two component outputs, so it has one > > composite output and one component output. > > > With my decoder, it is outputting composite video and component video > > at the same time (when both sets of cables are attached to the > > decoder). To be honest, I think the picture quality of both the > > composite and component outputs from the Sky decoder are much the > > same, the component outputted picture is not clearly superior to the > > composite one, which surprises me a little. Perhaps there is a limit > > to how much a "basic" composite Sky picture can be improved on? > > > I am not sure why Sony's latest DVD recorder doesn't have component > > input, I'm sure there is a logical reason for this, because it > > certainly has all the other bells and whistles that you would expect > > from a top line DVD / HDD recorder! > > > Regards, David > > Component in is not common and you are more likely to see RGB in as is the > case with Panasonic. RGB is actually superior in theory though cable length > has to be kept short. The deoder I had allowed me to feed RGB to the > recorder and S-Video to the TV. > Re quality difference between composite and component should be reasonably > clear especially on text.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - K), and my retail store was advised by Panasonic that it only has S- Video in, not RGB or component video in. However, it does have component video out and HDMI out. This is also the case with Sony's latest DVD recorders. david.c***@hotmail.com wrote in
news:1193812765.921668.130470@t8g2000prg.googlegroups.com: SOME Sky boxes can do S-video and component at the same time > I was told that the decoder can't have two component > outputs, so it has one composite output and one component > output. (although many cannot). I have a Pace DSR2000 which can do so (or so the menus say). You may want to get your decoder swapped out for a Pace DSR2000 (or possibly the later Motorolas also do it?) and you could then get S- video into your recorder. Mark On Nov 1, 11:10 am, Mark C <mar...@somewhere.invalid> wrote:
Show quote > david.c***@hotmail.com wrote innews:1193812765.921668.130***@t8g2000prg.googlegroups.com: I tried to connect Scart from the Pace DS230 decoder to S Video on the> > > I was told that the decoder can't have two component > > outputs, so it has one composite output and one component > > output. > > SOME Sky boxes can do S-video and component at the same time > (although many cannot). > I have a Pace DSR2000 which can do so (or so the menus say). > > You may want to get your decoder swapped out for a Pace DSR2000 (or > possibly the later Motorolas also do it?) and you could then get S- > video into your recorder. > > Mark TV. Result: I got a black and white picture which had lots of whirly artifacts in it! The cable is a good one with gold connectors, so it shouldn't be a cable problem. Before connecting the scart to S Video lead, I disconnected the Scart to component cable. I tried the scart to S Video cable cable in both of the decoder's outlets, and I got a b & w picture both times, so back to the drawing board with S Video! I remember this also happened when I tried S Video with Sky a few years back, so I'm not sure why scart to component works, but scart to S Video doesn't! Perhaps yet another decoder is needed (at a swap over cost of $40) as suggested by Mark. Regards, David C  |
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