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video tape recorded in LP mode

Author
19 Sep 2007 1:44 PM
ivana
I've got a funai VCR, model 29D-850 with 6 heads. When I record a video
tape in LP mode and try to playback it on the very same VCR, the picture
is going up and down, it's noisy and colours are terrible. The tape is
not damaged 'cause when I record in SP mode and playback it, everything
is fine. This VCR does auto tracking, it is possible to fine tune
manually through channel +/- button, but when I do that, it doesn't
improve the picture at all.

Does anyone know what is going on? Am I doing something wrong?

Thanks in advance,

I.

Author
19 Sep 2007 4:25 PM
Gary A. Edelstein
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:44:24 +0200, ivana <zvonchica@moronski_ptt.yu>
wrote:

>I've got a funai VCR, model 29D-850 with 6 heads. When I record a video
>tape in LP mode and try to playback it on the very same VCR, the picture
>is going up and down, it's noisy and colours are terrible. The tape is
>not damaged 'cause when I record in SP mode and playback it, everything
>is fine. This VCR does auto tracking, it is possible to fine tune
>manually through channel +/- button, but when I do that, it doesn't
>improve the picture at all.
>
>Does anyone know what is going on? Am I doing something wrong?
>
What happens with SLP mode?  Perhaps the heads are dirty, worn or out
of alignment.

Gary E
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Author
19 Sep 2007 4:52 PM
ivana
Gary A. Edelstein wrote:
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> On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:44:24 +0200, ivana <zvonchica@moronski_ptt.yu>
> wrote:
>
>> I've got a funai VCR, model 29D-850 with 6 heads. When I record a video
>> tape in LP mode and try to playback it on the very same VCR, the picture
>> is going up and down, it's noisy and colours are terrible. The tape is
>> not damaged 'cause when I record in SP mode and playback it, everything
>> is fine. This VCR does auto tracking, it is possible to fine tune
>> manually through channel +/- button, but when I do that, it doesn't
>> improve the picture at all.
>>
>> Does anyone know what is going on? Am I doing something wrong?
>>
> What happens with SLP mode?  Perhaps the heads are dirty, worn or out
> of alignment.
>
> Gary

this model has only SP i LP mode and the vcr is rather new, there's been
about 6 months since I've bought it...the video tapes that were inserted
in it are new, not rented.

if the heads were dirty, there would be problems during playback in SP
mode also.
Author
19 Sep 2007 4:58 PM
Gene E. Bloch
On 9/19/2007, ivana posted this:
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> Gary A. Edelstein wrote:
>> On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:44:24 +0200, ivana <zvonchica@moronski_ptt.yu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've got a funai VCR, model 29D-850 with 6 heads. When I record a video
>>> tape in LP mode and try to playback it on the very same VCR, the picture
>>> is going up and down, it's noisy and colours are terrible. The tape is
>>> not damaged 'cause when I record in SP mode and playback it, everything
>>> is fine. This VCR does auto tracking, it is possible to fine tune
>>> manually through channel +/- button, but when I do that, it doesn't
>>> improve the picture at all.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know what is going on? Am I doing something wrong?
>>>
>> What happens with SLP mode?  Perhaps the heads are dirty, worn or out
>> of alignment.
>>
>> Gary
>
> this model has only SP i LP mode and the vcr is rather new, there's been
> about 6 months since I've bought it...the video tapes that were inserted
> in it are new, not rented.
>
> if the heads were dirty, there would be problems during playback in SP
> mode also.

Not necessarily. The LP tracks are narrower and more sensitive to *any*
disturbance. Also, there are two sets of heads on the drum, one for
each mode. Possibly the LP set or its associated circuitry is faulty.

Try a head-cleaning tape. If it fails to help, have the VCR repaired -
or replace it...

Note that head-cleaning tapes are abrasive to some extent, so don't
overdo it.

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Author
20 Sep 2007 12:44 PM
ivana
Gene E. Bloch wrote:

>> if the heads were dirty, there would be problems during playback in SP
>> mode also.
>
> Not necessarily. The LP tracks are narrower and more sensitive to *any*
> disturbance. Also, there are two sets of heads on the drum, one for each
> mode. Possibly the LP set or its associated circuitry is faulty.

thanks a lot, I'll have it repaired. as soon as I get it back, I'll give
you feedback.
Author
20 Sep 2007 5:59 PM
Gene E. Bloch
On 9/20/2007, ivana posted this:
> Gene E. Bloch wrote:
>
>>> if the heads were dirty, there would be problems during playback in SP
>>> mode also.
>>
>> Not necessarily. The LP tracks are narrower and more sensitive to *any*
>> disturbance. Also, there are two sets of heads on the drum, one for each
>> mode. Possibly the LP set or its associated circuitry is faulty.
>
> thanks a lot, I'll have it repaired. as soon as I get it back, I'll give
> you feedback.

Yes, I'd like to know.

On rereading my post, I realize I made an assumption about your VCR. I
do not really *know* that it has separate heads for SP and LP, so that
part (only) of my reply should be considered "probable", not "certain"
:-)

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Author
21 Sep 2007 7:37 AM
ivana
Gene E. Bloch wrote:

>> thanks a lot, I'll have it repaired. as soon as I get it back, I'll give
>> you feedback.
>
> Yes, I'd like to know.

yesterday I went to the official service center and the guy who was
working there didn't even bother to open the vcr. he just said: "oh, the
LP mode proly wasn't working when you had bought it, and vcrs nowadays
aren't what they used to be. it is more like a toy, you can't expect to
get a quality out of this device. take it home and use SP mode only.
maybe if you find some old sony tapes, try them, it might work!"

I was really appalled, what an idiot! I would at least open it to see
what's going on inside. but no, he just kept ranting without offering
any reasonable solution.

> On rereading my post, I realize I made an assumption about your VCR. I
> do not really *know* that it has separate heads for SP and LP, so that
> part (only) of my reply should be considered "probable", not "certain" :-)

ok ;-)
Author
21 Sep 2007 11:00 PM
Gene E. Bloch
On 9/21/2007, ivana posted this:
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> Gene E. Bloch wrote:
>
>>> thanks a lot, I'll have it repaired. as soon as I get it back, I'll give
>>> you feedback.
>>
>> Yes, I'd like to know.
>
> yesterday I went to the official service center and the guy who was
> working there didn't even bother to open the vcr. he just said: "oh, the
> LP mode proly wasn't working when you had bought it, and vcrs nowadays
> aren't what they used to be. it is more like a toy, you can't expect to
> get a quality out of this device. take it home and use SP mode only.
> maybe if you find some old sony tapes, try them, it might work!"
>
> I was really appalled, what an idiot! I would at least open it to see
> what's going on inside. but no, he just kept ranting without offering
> any reasonable solution.

That speaks volumes for their sense of responsibility to their
customers...

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>> On rereading my post, I realize I made an assumption about your VCR. I
>> do not really *know* that it has separate heads for SP and LP, so that
>> part (only) of my reply should be considered "probable", not "certain" :-)
>
> ok ;-)

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Author
20 Sep 2007 6:40 AM
Wolfgang Schwanke
Gary A. Edelstein <edelsgNO@SPAMyahoo.com.invalid> wrote in
news:49j2f39hnena0fq5vvrgs6r9hmcpk9es6m@4ax.com:

> What happens with SLP mode?

The OP writes from Europe. VHS has only two standard speeds in PAL mode:
SP and LP which is 1/2 SP; a non-standard SLP mode 1/3 SP exists in a
few machines but it's not widespread and not recommendable because of
incompatibilities. Conversely, in NTSC SLP is standard and LP is a
discouraged non-standard speed. Adding to the confusion, PAL-LP is
roughly the same tape speed as NTSC-SLP and vice versa.

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