<Andrew.***@tsb.gc.ca> wrote in message news:1187358835.370939.206060@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> Looking for some advice on a camcorder purchase...
> I've been shopping for an HD camcorder for a while now, and I've
> decided to go with a Sony.  The debate now is which one.  I was
> leaning towards the HDR CX7 ($1300 Cdn) because of the optical image
> stabilization and memory stick, but when you factor in the price of an
> 8GB memory stick the total comes to $1500.  For $1500 I could get the
> HDR SR7 which has the exact same specs except it has a 60 GB hard
> drive, which would really come in handy when on vacation with no where
> to dump my videos to make room for more if I was to fill up the 8 GB
> memory stick.  The main issue I see with the SR7 is the extra moving
> parts due to the hard drive which could make it more prone to
> problems.
> The other camcorder I'm considering is the HDR UX7 which uses mini
> dvd.  Again same specs as the other camcorders aside from the dvd, and
> its a lot cheaper at $1100.  The mini dvd's don't hold nearly as much
> so I'd have to swap them fairly often, and eventually the cost of all
> those dvds would add up, but on the plus side I'd have a backup of all
> my videos in case my pc hard drive ever failed.  Again, more moving
> parts than the CX7 though.
>
> Has anyone had experience with these camcorders who could comment?

On Aug 17, 10:13 am, "David Ruether" <r***@no-junk.cornell.edu> wrote:
> <Andrew.***@tsb.gc.ca> wrote in messagenews:1187358835.370939.206***@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> > Looking for some advice on a camcorder purchase...
> > I've been shopping for an HD camcorder for a while now, and I've
> > decided to go with a Sony.  The debate now is which one.  I was
> > leaning towards the HDR CX7 ($1300 Cdn) because of the optical image
> > stabilization and memory stick, but when you factor in the price of an
> > 8GB memory stick the total comes to $1500.  For $1500 I could get the
> > HDR SR7 which has the exact same specs except it has a 60 GB hard
> > drive, which would really come in handy when on vacation with no where
> > to dump my videos to make room for more if I was to fill up the 8 GB
> > memory stick.  The main issue I see with the SR7 is the extra moving
> > parts due to the hard drive which could make it more prone to
> > problems.
> > The other camcorder I'm considering is the HDR UX7 which uses mini
> > dvd.  Again same specs as the other camcorders aside from the dvd, and
> > its a lot cheaper at $1100.  The mini dvd's don't hold nearly as much
> > so I'd have to swap them fairly often, and eventually the cost of all
> > those dvds would add up, but on the plus side I'd have a backup of all
> > my videos in case my pc hard drive ever failed.  Again, more moving
> > parts than the CX7 though.
>
> > Has anyone had experience with these camcorders who could comment?
>
> Use a tape-based camcorder - higher image quality and better archiving.
> --
> David Ruether
>  d_ruet***@hotmail.com
>  http://www.donferrario.com/ruether- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

> On Aug 17, 10:13 am, "David Ruether" <r***@no-junk.cornell.edu> wrote:
>> <Andrew.***@tsb.gc.ca> wrote in
>> messagenews:1187358835.370939.206***@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>>> Looking for some advice on a camcorder purchase...
>>> I've been shopping for an HD camcorder for a while now, and I've
>>> decided to go with a Sony.  The debate now is which one.  I was
>>> leaning towards the HDR CX7 ($1300 Cdn) because of the optical image
>>> stabilization and memory stick, but when you factor in the price of an
>>> 8GB memory stick the total comes to $1500.  For $1500 I could get the
>>> HDR SR7 which has the exact same specs except it has a 60 GB hard
>>> drive, which would really come in handy when on vacation with no where
>>> to dump my videos to make room for more if I was to fill up the 8 GB
>>> memory stick.  The main issue I see with the SR7 is the extra moving
>>> parts due to the hard drive which could make it more prone to
>>> problems.
>>> The other camcorder I'm considering is the HDR UX7 which uses mini
>>> dvd.  Again same specs as the other camcorders aside from the dvd, and
>>> its a lot cheaper at $1100.  The mini dvd's don't hold nearly as much
>>> so I'd have to swap them fairly often, and eventually the cost of all
>>> those dvds would add up, but on the plus side I'd have a backup of all
>>> my videos in case my pc hard drive ever failed.  Again, more moving
>>> parts than the CX7 though.
>>
>>> Has anyone had experience with these camcorders who could comment?
>>
>> Use a tape-based camcorder - higher image quality and better archiving.
>> --
>> David Ruether
>>  d_ruet***@hotmail.com
>>  http://www.donferrario.com/ruether- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Thanks for the reply, but I'm not really interested in a tape-based
> camcorder.  No random access for playback, can be noisy, too many
> moving parts.  I'm more interested in people's opinions of the
> camcorders I mentioned.

> On Aug 17, 1:37 pm, Gene E. Bloch <spamf...@nobody.invalid> wrote:
>> On 8/17/2007, Andrew.***@tsb.gc.ca posted this:
>>
>>
>>>>> The other camcorder I'm considering is theHDR UX7which uses mini
>>>>> dvd.  Again same specs as the other camcorders aside from the dvd, and
>>>>> its a lot cheaper at $1100.  The mini dvd's don't hold nearly as much
>>>>> so I'd have to swap them fairly often, and eventually the cost of all
>>>>> those dvds would add up, but on the plus side I'd have a backup of all
>>>>> my videos in case my pc hard drive ever failed.  Again, more moving
>>>>> parts than the CX7 though.
>
>
> I am going to purchase the ux-7 and use dvd-rw s
>
> cost #829.00 at several places
> JIm

"Gene E. Bloch" <spamfree@nobody.invalid> wrote in message
news:mn.9a507d790896ea44.1980@nobody.invalid...
> On 9/19/2007, jim posted this:
>> On Aug 17, 1:37 pm, Gene E. Bloch <spamf...@nobody.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 8/17/2007, Andrew.***@tsb.gc.ca posted this:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> The other camcorder I'm considering is theHDR UX7which uses mini
>>>>>> dvd.  Again same specs as the other camcorders aside from the dvd,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> its a lot cheaper at $1100.  The mini dvd's don't hold nearly as much
>>>>>> so I'd have to swap them fairly often, and eventually the cost of all
>>>>>> those dvds would add up, but on the plus side I'd have a backup of
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> my videos in case my pc hard drive ever failed.  Again, more moving
>>>>>> parts than the CX7 though.
>>
>>
>> I am going to purchase the ux-7 and use dvd-rw s
>>
>> cost #829.00 at several places
>> JIm
>
> JIm - you should've considered answering the OP's post *directly* ...
>
> --
> Gene E. Bloch (Gino)
> letters617blochg3251
> (replace the numbers by "at" and "dotcom")
>
>

> Hi Gene,
>
> Not sure which is worse:
>
> A person who posts a question and then makes no effort to reply to the
> responses he / she receives.....
>
> or....
>
> A person who replies to a post with a comment which does not address the
> original question.
>
> For this thread we appear to have both.    (-8
>
> Smarty
>
>
>
> "Gene E. Bloch" <spamfree@nobody.invalid> wrote in message
> news:mn.9a507d790896ea44.1980@nobody.invalid...
>> On 9/19/2007, jim posted this:
>>> On Aug 17, 1:37 pm, Gene E. Bloch <spamf...@nobody.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 8/17/2007, Andrew.***@tsb.gc.ca posted this:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> The other camcorder I'm considering is theHDR UX7which uses mini
>>>>>>> dvd.  Again same specs as the other camcorders aside from the dvd, and
>>>>>>> its a lot cheaper at $1100.  The mini dvd's don't hold nearly as much
>>>>>>> so I'd have to swap them fairly often, and eventually the cost of all
>>>>>>> those dvds would add up, but on the plus side I'd have a backup of all
>>>>>>> my videos in case my pc hard drive ever failed.  Again, more moving
>>>>>>> parts than the CX7 though.
>>>
>>>
>>> I am going to purchase the ux-7 and use dvd-rw s
>>>
>>> cost #829.00 at several places
>>> JIm
>>
>> JIm - you should've considered answering the OP's post *directly* ...
>>
>> -- Gene E. Bloch (Gino)
>> letters617blochg3251
>> (replace the numbers by "at" and "dotcom")
>>
>>

"Gene E. Bloch" <spamfree@nobody.invalid> wrote in message
news:mn.a2907d7905433a8b.1980@nobody.invalid...
> Which one am I? :-)
>
> The OP did answer one post in this thread with a rejection of the offered
> advice.
>
> At least JIm replied in some way to the original post, even though he did
> it as a reply to my post (which he deleted from his reply; also it was
> three levels in from the OP).
>
> On 9/19/2007, Smarty posted this:
>> Hi Gene,
>>
>> Not sure which is worse:
>>
>> A person who posts a question and then makes no effort to reply to the
>> responses he / she receives.....
>>
>> or....
>>
>> A person who replies to a post with a comment which does not address the
>> original question.
>>
>> For this thread we appear to have both.    (-8
>>
>> Smarty
>>
>>
>>
>> "Gene E. Bloch" <spamfree@nobody.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:mn.9a507d790896ea44.1980@nobody.invalid...
>>> On 9/19/2007, jim posted this:
>>>> On Aug 17, 1:37 pm, Gene E. Bloch <spamf...@nobody.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On 8/17/2007, Andrew.***@tsb.gc.ca posted this:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The other camcorder I'm considering is theHDR UX7which uses mini
>>>>>>>> dvd.  Again same specs as the other camcorders aside from the dvd,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> its a lot cheaper at $1100.  The mini dvd's don't hold nearly as
>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>> so I'd have to swap them fairly often, and eventually the cost of
>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>> those dvds would add up, but on the plus side I'd have a backup of
>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>> my videos in case my pc hard drive ever failed.  Again, more moving
>>>>>>>> parts than the CX7 though.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am going to purchase the ux-7 and use dvd-rw s
>>>>
>>>> cost #829.00 at several places
>>>> JIm
>>>
>>> JIm - you should've considered answering the OP's post *directly* ...
>>>
>>> -- Gene E. Bloch (Gino)
>>> letters617blochg3251
>>> (replace the numbers by "at" and "dotcom")
>>>
>>>
>
> --
> Gene E. Bloch (Gino)
> letters617blochg3251
> (replace the numbers by "at" and "dotcom")
>
>

> Hi Gene,
>
> Hope the original poster finds the info he is looking for, here or elsewhere.
> The HD camcorder market really is a confusing maze for people starting out,
> and the additional complication of AVCHD versus HDV makes the choice all the
> more confusing.
>
> Since this thread is apparently going no place, and I did not want to
> re-ignite the Mac discussions once again on the other groups, I did want to
> mention to you that I ordered and took delivery of a MacPro 8 core which I
> used for less than a week, and promptly returned to Amazon (thankfully for a
> 100% refund). This machine, unlike my 4 core quad Xeon, crashed repeatedly in
> Bootcamp/Windows XP, and had the same maddening issues of not recognizing any
> more than 2 GB of RAM (despite 4 being installed), and not having any support
> for the PCIExpress slots under Windows even though Tiger supported them
> properly. The chipset on the Apple motherboard does not have driver support
> from Intel nor does Apple provide a driver. So much for using cards such as
> the Blackmagic, Matrox, Canopus, or other PCIExpress hardware. Also, much to
> my distress, even the latest version of Vegas 8, released a week ago, cannot
> use the 8 cores, and renders at the same speed as my prior 4 core MacPro. And
> finally, Acronis, Ghost, and other backup programs hang or give up stating
> that they cannot support the new partition format Apple is using even when
> making a standard bootable Windows XP disk.
>
> Thought you might be interested.
>
> Best,
>
> Smarty

"Gene E. Bloch" <spamfree@nobody.invalid> wrote in message
news:mn.abbe7d797c1e1a71.1980@nobody.invalid...
> On 9/20/2007, Smarty posted this:
>> Hi Gene,
>>
>> Hope the original poster finds the info he is looking for, here or
>> elsewhere. The HD camcorder market really is a confusing maze for people
>> starting out, and the additional complication of AVCHD versus HDV makes
>> the choice all the more confusing.
>>
>> Since this thread is apparently going no place, and I did not want to
>> re-ignite the Mac discussions once again on the other groups, I did want
>> to mention to you that I ordered and took delivery of a MacPro 8 core
>> which I used for less than a week, and promptly returned to Amazon
>> (thankfully for a 100% refund). This machine, unlike my 4 core quad Xeon,
>> crashed repeatedly in Bootcamp/Windows XP, and had the same maddening
>> issues of not recognizing any more than 2 GB of RAM (despite 4 being
>> installed), and not having any support for the PCIExpress slots under
>> Windows even though Tiger supported them properly. The chipset on the
>> Apple motherboard does not have driver support from Intel nor does Apple
>> provide a driver. So much for using cards such as the Blackmagic, Matrox,
>> Canopus, or other PCIExpress hardware. Also, much to my distress, even
>> the latest version of Vegas 8, released a week ago, cannot use the 8
>> cores, and renders at the same speed as my prior 4 core MacPro. And
>> finally, Acronis, Ghost, and other backup programs hang or give up
>> stating that they cannot support the new partition format Apple is using
>> even when making a standard bootable Windows XP disk.
>>
>> Thought you might be interested.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Smarty
>
> <SNIP on-topic stuff :-) >
>
> Actually quite astonishing, as well as very depressing. Yes, I'm
> interested, although I wasn't planning to escape from this box, an iMac
> running Win XP under Parallels. I wouldn't have guessed such a total
> botch-up - and it's great that you got your money back!
>
> Maybe I told you this already: I have an iCom radio that I can't control
> from the Parallels VM because of USB driver problems, so I have a tiny
> (10GB) partition in Bootcamp, which runs it fine. Oddly, another radio,
> also from iCom, works fine in the VM (it is designed to only do data
> exchange, not operational control of the radio).
>
> At a later time (too much happening here right now) I intend to try
> VMworks's virtual machine, now that it will let me import my Parallels
> machine. It'll be interesting to see whether the first radio works there.
>
> --
> Gene E. Bloch (Gino)
> letters617blochg3251
> (replace the numbers by "at" and "dotcom")
>
>

> Sorry to hear of the Icom problem. USB support under Parallels is
> hit-and-miss, and I too had problems getting USB devices to show up.
> Coincidentally I just took delivery of a new Yaesu FT-60R ham transceiver
> which uses PC software to configure the memories and other settings, (it's
> called FT-60 Commander) and I highly doubt that I would be able to use a Mac
> to run it.
>
> The Mac is just an unfinished work, but has such an alluring veneer of being
> a jack of all trades that I will keep going back to test the waters and will
> eventually find one which does all it says it can do. I am really turned off
> by the Apple pretense that Windows is truly supported, since the Bootcamp
> environment is still very much a beta product.
>
> Smarty
>
>
> "Gene E. Bloch" <spamfree@nobody.invalid> wrote in message
> news:mn.abbe7d797c1e1a71.1980@nobody.invalid...
>> On 9/20/2007, Smarty posted this:
>>> Hi Gene,
>>>
>>> Hope the original poster finds the info he is looking for, here or
>>> elsewhere. The HD camcorder market really is a confusing maze for people
>>> starting out, and the additional complication of AVCHD versus HDV makes
>>> the choice all the more confusing.
>>>
>>> Since this thread is apparently going no place, and I did not want to
>>> re-ignite the Mac discussions once again on the other groups, I did want
>>> to mention to you that I ordered and took delivery of a MacPro 8 core
>>> which I used for less than a week, and promptly returned to Amazon
>>> (thankfully for a 100% refund). This machine, unlike my 4 core quad Xeon,
>>> crashed repeatedly in Bootcamp/Windows XP, and had the same maddening
>>> issues of not recognizing any more than 2 GB of RAM (despite 4 being
>>> installed), and not having any support for the PCIExpress slots under
>>> Windows even though Tiger supported them properly. The chipset on the
>>> Apple motherboard does not have driver support from Intel nor does Apple
>>> provide a driver. So much for using cards such as the Blackmagic, Matrox,
>>> Canopus, or other PCIExpress hardware. Also, much to my distress, even the
>>> latest version of Vegas 8, released a week ago, cannot use the 8 cores,
>>> and renders at the same speed as my prior 4 core MacPro. And finally,
>>> Acronis, Ghost, and other backup programs hang or give up stating that
>>> they cannot support the new partition format Apple is using even when
>>> making a standard bootable Windows XP disk.
>>>
>>> Thought you might be interested.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Smarty
>>
>> <SNIP on-topic stuff :-) >
>>
>> Actually quite astonishing, as well as very depressing. Yes, I'm
>> interested, although I wasn't planning to escape from this box, an iMac
>> running Win XP under Parallels. I wouldn't have guessed such a total
>> botch-up - and it's great that you got your money back!
>>
>> Maybe I told you this already: I have an iCom radio that I can't control
>> from the Parallels VM because of USB driver problems, so I have a tiny
>> (10GB) partition in Bootcamp, which runs it fine. Oddly, another radio,
>> also from iCom, works fine in the VM (it is designed to only do data
>> exchange, not operational control of the radio).
>>
>> At a later time (too much happening here right now) I intend to try
>> VMworks's virtual machine, now that it will let me import my Parallels
>> machine. It'll be interesting to see whether the first radio works there.
>>
>> -- Gene E. Bloch (Gino)
>> letters617blochg3251
>> (replace the numbers by "at" and "dotcom")
>>
>>