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Author
30 Jul 2007 6:40 PM
dh
We have JVC GY-DV500 cameras. I couldn't find a
model number on the lens itself, but the zoom unit
mounted on the side of the lens says:

Fujinon S20 x 6.4 BRM-SD
1:1.4 / 6.4-128mm

I don't know what all that means yet. The lens has
holes that look like they have threaded inserts in them,
for securing the manual focus unit etc to the lense with
a bolt. If they really are inserts in the holes, is it possible
to replace them? We have some that are broken off at
the outer end, so the bolt will no longer reach it.

Also, is it possible to get an iris control to mount on
the tripod handles? We have one for zoom and
focus, and it would be great to have one for iris too.

Thanks for any help!
David

Author
30 Jul 2007 7:06 PM
Mike Kujbida
On Jul 30, 2:40 pm, dh@. wrote:
> We have JVC GY-DV500 cameras. I couldn't find a
> model number on the lens itself, but the zoom unit
> mounted on the side of the lens says:
>
> Fujinon S20 x 6.4 BRM-SD
> 1:1.4 / 6.4-128mm
> I don't know what all that means yet.


It means that it's a 20:1 zoom lens.
It also means that whoever you bought the cameras from had the
foresight to buy good lenses as the stock lens sucked.


> The lens has
> holes that look like they have threaded inserts in them,
> for securing the manual focus unit etc to the lense with
> a bolt. If they really are inserts in the holes, is it possible
> to replace them? We have some that are broken off at
> the outer end, so the bolt will no longer reach it.


If it's anything like the holes on the lens on my Canon (on a JVC
550), they're not inserts but actual drilled holes.


> Also, is it possible to get an iris control to mount on
> the tripod handles? We have one for zoom and
> focus, and it would be great to have one for iris too.


The only lens I could find on the Fuji site that's close to your
number is an S20X6.4BMD at http://fujinon.com/Broadcast/Product.aspx?cat=73&id=222
If you go to the Accessories page, it shows 3 different lens
controllers.
You'd have to check with a local broadcast equipment rep or a Fuji rep
to confirm whether they're able to be mounted on a tripod handle
though.
My guess is no :-(

Mike
Author
2 Aug 2007 2:45 PM
Richard Crowley
dh@. wrote:
> We have JVC GY-DV500 cameras. I couldn't find a
> model number on the lens itself, but the zoom unit
> mounted on the side of the lens says:
>
> Fujinon S20 x 6.4 BRM-SD
> 1:1.4 / 6.4-128mm
>
> I don't know what all that means yet.

It is the model number and contains several key pieces of
the specification (such as the zoom ratio, minimumm F-
stop, type of camera attachment, etc.) It is easy enough
to decode these numbers by browsing the Fujinon website.

> The lens has
> holes that look like they have threaded inserts in them,
> for securing the manual focus unit etc to the lense with
> a bolt. If they really are inserts in the holes, is it possible
> to replace them? We have some that are broken off at
> the outer end, so the bolt will no longer reach it.

It might be possible that they used something like
"Helicoil" thread inserts which allow you to replace the
threads. But you may have to consider having the lens
repaired by Fujinon or some experienced lens technician
as they are too delicate and expensive to trust to your
average mechanic:-)

> Also, is it possible to get an iris control to mount on
> the tripod handles? We have one for zoom and
> focus, and it would be great to have one for iris too.

Why?  They don't typically provide iris controls for the
camera operator (for a number of reasons).  The iris is
usually controlled electronically by the camera (or
remotely by the camera control unit, etc.) The camera
operator is rarely able to properly judge/adjust the iris
which is why we usually either use the automatic
exposure function of the camera (in single-camera
shooting situations), or a person back in the control
location will adjust the iris (and other parameters) of
all the cameras in a multi-camera production.

Some cameras have a small control panel that you can
plug in which include the iris control and can be mounted
on the tripod arms.

For example I have a Sony RM-M7G control unit for my
Sony DSR-300 camera. Here is a picture...
http://www.globalmediapro.com/av/attach/192/index-1391.jpg
The iris control is the large black knob in the lower right.
Author
2 Aug 2007 10:07 PM
Bill Fright
Richard Crowley wrote:
Show quote
> dh@. wrote:
>> We have JVC GY-DV500 cameras. I couldn't find a
>> model number on the lens itself, but the zoom unit
>> mounted on the side of the lens says:
>>
>> Fujinon S20 x 6.4 BRM-SD
>> 1:1.4 / 6.4-128mm
>>
>> I don't know what all that means yet.
>
> It is the model number and contains several key pieces of
> the specification (such as the zoom ratio, minimumm F-
> stop, type of camera attachment, etc.) It is easy enough
> to decode these numbers by browsing the Fujinon website.
>
>> The lens has
>> holes that look like they have threaded inserts in them,
>> for securing the manual focus unit etc to the lense with
>> a bolt. If they really are inserts in the holes, is it possible
>> to replace them? We have some that are broken off at
>> the outer end, so the bolt will no longer reach it.
>
> It might be possible that they used something like
> "Helicoil" thread inserts which allow you to replace the
> threads. But you may have to consider having the lens
> repaired by Fujinon or some experienced lens technician
> as they are too delicate and expensive to trust to your
> average mechanic:-)
>
>> Also, is it possible to get an iris control to mount on
>> the tripod handles? We have one for zoom and
>> focus, and it would be great to have one for iris too.
>
> Why?  They don't typically provide iris controls for the
> camera operator (for a number of reasons).  The iris is
> usually controlled electronically by the camera (or
> remotely by the camera control unit, etc.) The camera
> operator is rarely able to properly judge/adjust the iris
> which is why we usually either use the automatic
> exposure function of the camera (in single-camera
> shooting situations), or a person back in the control
> location will adjust the iris (and other parameters) of
> all the cameras in a multi-camera production.

Hey there Richard. Please take no offense but my thoughts of iris and
cam op are much different than yours. The above would work for a
completely inexperienced operator but I insist my cam ops have a good
understanding of what they're looking at.

You have dual zebra bars as do I. In the office I have a ccu and a
scope/waveform and have adjusted my zebras to where I can tell you
within 2 lumens where my exposure is any where on an image. This way
when I'm running and gunning I know just where the levels are. I'm such
a dope that while shooting I'll see a background highlight and make a
guess and compare it on scope when I get back to the office.

I do confess that I keep a CCU in my production rig but only use it to
quickly match other cameras. :/>



Show quote
>
> Some cameras have a small control panel that you can
> plug in which include the iris control and can be mounted
> on the tripod arms.
>
> For example I have a Sony RM-M7G control unit for my
> Sony DSR-300 camera. Here is a picture...
> http://www.globalmediapro.com/av/attach/192/index-1391.jpg
> The iris control is the large black knob in the lower right.
>
Author
3 Aug 2007 5:44 AM
Richard Crowley
Bill Fright  wrote:
> Hey there Richard. Please take no offense but my thoughts of iris and
> cam op are much different than yours. The above would work for a
> completely inexperienced operator but I insist my cam ops have a good
> understanding of what they're looking at.

No offense taken. There is clearly a wide range of POVs
and production experiences here. I'm lucky to find camera
ops that can tell pan from zoom.  And, of course, we have
no clue where the OP is coming from.
Author
6 Aug 2007 4:40 AM
Bill Fright
Richard Crowley wrote:
> Bill Fright  wrote:
>> Hey there Richard. Please take no offense but my thoughts of iris and
>> cam op are much different than yours. The above would work for a
>> completely inexperienced operator but I insist my cam ops have a good
>> understanding of what they're looking at.
>
> No offense taken. There is clearly a wide range of POVs
> and production experiences here. I'm lucky to find camera
> ops that can tell pan from zoom.  And, of course, we have
> no clue where the OP is coming from.
>

Man, that must be very frustrating for you. We have a huge University
here in Austin that pump out cam ops by the bus load.
Author
9 Aug 2007 7:50 PM
dh
On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 07:45:03 -0700, Richard Crowley <rcrow***@xprt.net> wrote:

Show quote
>dh@. wrote:
>> We have JVC GY-DV500 cameras. I couldn't find a
>> model number on the lens itself, but the zoom unit
>> mounted on the side of the lens says:
>>
>> Fujinon S20 x 6.4 BRM-SD
>> 1:1.4 / 6.4-128mm
>>
>> I don't know what all that means yet.
>
>It is the model number and contains several key pieces of
>the specification (such as the zoom ratio, minimumm F-
>stop, type of camera attachment, etc.) It is easy enough
>to decode these numbers by browsing the Fujinon website.
>
>> The lens has
>> holes that look like they have threaded inserts in them,
>> for securing the manual focus unit etc to the lense with
>> a bolt. If they really are inserts in the holes, is it possible
>> to replace them? We have some that are broken off at
>> the outer end, so the bolt will no longer reach it.
>
>It might be possible that they used something like
>"Helicoil" thread inserts which allow you to replace the
>threads.

    That's what I'm hoping.

>But you may have to consider having the lens
>repaired by Fujinon or some experienced lens technician
>as they are too delicate and expensive to trust to your
>average mechanic:-)

    Maybe I'll take it by Wolf Camera or something just
to see what those guys say about it.

>> Also, is it possible to get an iris control to mount on
>> the tripod handles? We have one for zoom and
>> focus, and it would be great to have one for iris too.
>
>Why?  They don't typically provide iris controls for the
>camera operator (for a number of reasons).  The iris is
>usually controlled electronically by the camera

    We tried, but the camera likes it too dark. Is it
possible to adjust how light or dark the auto iris
function makes it?

>(or
>remotely by the camera control unit, etc.) The camera
>operator is rarely able to properly judge/adjust the iris
>which is why we usually either use the automatic
>exposure function of the camera (in single-camera
>shooting situations), or a person back in the control
>location will adjust the iris (and other parameters) of
>all the cameras in a multi-camera production.

    We're not set up for that. We're projecting whatever
band we have on stage up onto some big screens, so
we can see the result. The lighting isn't even across
the stage, so in order to get decent shots we have to
be able to control the iris. One guy is sitting on a riser
running his camera, and is in an easy position to reach
the lens. I'm standing on the floor running the switcher
and the other camera which is also on a riser, so I can't
reach the lens. I can zoom and focus with the same
hand I'm moving the camera with, but in order to adjust
the iris I have to get up on the riser which is a real pain
in the ass. Getting iris control down on the tripod arm
too would make it great.

Show quote
>Some cameras have a small control panel that you can
>plug in which include the iris control and can be mounted
>on the tripod arms.
>
>For example I have a Sony RM-M7G control unit for my
>Sony DSR-300 camera. Here is a picture...
>http://www.globalmediapro.com/av/attach/192/index-1391.jpg
>The iris control is the large black knob in the lower right.
Author
9 Aug 2007 7:58 PM
Richard Crowley
<dh@.> wrote ...
> Richard Crowley wrote:
>>Why?  They don't typically provide iris controls for the
>>camera operator (for a number of reasons).  The iris is
>>usually controlled electronically by the camera
>
>    We tried, but the camera likes it too dark. Is it
> possible to adjust how light or dark the auto iris
> function makes it?

I'm pretty certain that is adjustable.  If not in the user-
accessible menus somewhere, then most likely an
adjustment a service technican can make.
Author
9 Aug 2007 8:25 PM
Mike Kujbida
dh@. wrote:
>
>     We tried, but the camera likes it too dark. Is it
> possible to adjust how light or dark the auto iris
> function makes it?


My 550s (successor to yours) have a 3-position switch on the side
labeled something like Spotlight/Normal/Backlight.
The setting of this switch affects auto iris operation.
Try the Spotlight mode and see if this helps.

Mike

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