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Long Camcorder TapesHi there,
I am trying to find camcorder tapes that are longer than 2 hours, like 4 hours or even longer. Are there any tapes longs than 2 hours at all? Thanks. John <jhn_zh***@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1179607315.996763.123890@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... Not that I have seen. Two problems as I see it, the 60 minute ones stretch > Hi there, > > I am trying to find camcorder tapes that are longer than 2 hours, like > 4 hours or even longer. Are there any tapes longs than 2 hours at all? > Thanks. > > John > as it is (the tape itself stretches) to cram twice as much tape in to such a small cartridge they would have to make the tape thinner and this would lead to even more stretching, most likely during recording instead of during rewind as it happens now. MiniDV tapes are just too small. =(8) > Not that I have seen. Two problems as I see it, the 60 minute ones stretch Huh?? What a wacko statement!> as it is (the tape itself stretches) to cram twice as much tape in to such a > small cartridge they would have to make the tape thinner and this would lead > to even more stretching, most likely during recording instead of during > rewind as it happens now. MiniDV tapes are just too small. > =(8) A couple of problems: first you did not specify what format you are asking about. One can only guess you are referring to VHS by looking for longer than 2 hrs. Yes, VHS tapes are available up to 200 minutes, but probably very hard to find anymore as very few VHS tapes are being produced now. I used tons of 160 and 180 minute VHS and S-VHS without any problems years ago. Some VHS cameras had the option of recording in LP which would give you the 4 hrs. at reduced resolution. Now the wacko talking about "60 minute ones stretch as it is" is probably referring to DV, but he is out to lunch. DV is a very robust, sturdy tape format with no reports of "tape stretch" problems by anyone with a modicum of knowledge on the subject. You can get 2 hours on a Mini DV tape by using LP on an 80 minute Mini DV tape, I have a few times with no problems. Now if you have a full size DV camera you get 4 and 1/2 hours run on a DVCam 184 minute tape. I have a couple full size DV decks that have the LP option and you get over 7 hours run time using the DVCam 184's in those. There is no loss in resolution in the DV format regardless of tape speed. Show quote
"Bob A" <Andys***@aol.com> wrote in message I didn't make the original post and since VHS in a camcorder today is like a news:1179704480.384394.242390@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > >> Not that I have seen. Two problems as I see it, the 60 minute ones >> stretch >> as it is (the tape itself stretches) to cram twice as much tape in to >> such a >> small cartridge they would have to make the tape thinner and this would >> lead >> to even more stretching, most likely during recording instead of during >> rewind as it happens now. MiniDV tapes are just too small. >> =(8) > > Huh?? What a wacko statement! > A couple of problems: first you did not specify what format you are > asking about. One can only guess you are referring to VHS by looking > for longer than 2 hrs. Yes, VHS tapes are available up to 200 minutes, > but probably very hard to find anymore as very few VHS tapes are being > produced now. I used tons of 160 and 180 minute VHS and S-VHS without > any problems years ago. Some VHS cameras had the option of recording > in LP which would give you the 4 hrs. at reduced resolution. > Now the wacko talking about "60 minute ones stretch as it is" is > probably referring to DV, but he is out to lunch. DV is a very robust, > sturdy tape format with no reports of "tape stretch" problems by > anyone with a modicum of knowledge on the subject. You can get 2 hours > on a Mini DV tape by using LP on an 80 minute Mini DV tape, I have a > few times with no problems. Now if you have a full size DV camera you > get 4 and 1/2 hours run on a DVCam 184 minute tape. I have a couple > full size DV decks that have the LP option and you get over 7 hours > run time using the DVCam 184's in those. There is no loss in > resolution in the DV format regardless of tape speed. > Yugo for a car I made the assumption that the tape the OP was talking about was MiniDV in which case my statements are perfectly correct. Now if you want to prattle on about all of the possible "tapes" the OP maybe talking about but probably isn't be my guest. However, MiniDV tapes are well known for stretching especially when re-winding them that again what I said was valid. As for as other recording modes if you have to drop the quality to the sh*t hole mode to get 2 hours or more on the tape then what's the point? We in general want quality video not sh*t video. =(8) Show quote
"=(8)" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message LP mode in miniDV is exactly the same video quality as SP mode. The data news:46510e82$0$14139$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net... > "Bob A" <Andys***@aol.com> wrote in message > news:1179704480.384394.242390@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com... >> >>> Not that I have seen. Two problems as I see it, the 60 minute ones >>> stretch >>> as it is (the tape itself stretches) to cram twice as much tape in to >>> such a >>> small cartridge they would have to make the tape thinner and this would >>> lead >>> to even more stretching, most likely during recording instead of during >>> rewind as it happens now. MiniDV tapes are just too small. >>> =(8) >> >> Huh?? What a wacko statement! >> A couple of problems: first you did not specify what format you are >> asking about. One can only guess you are referring to VHS by looking >> for longer than 2 hrs. Yes, VHS tapes are available up to 200 minutes, >> but probably very hard to find anymore as very few VHS tapes are being >> produced now. I used tons of 160 and 180 minute VHS and S-VHS without >> any problems years ago. Some VHS cameras had the option of recording >> in LP which would give you the 4 hrs. at reduced resolution. >> Now the wacko talking about "60 minute ones stretch as it is" is >> probably referring to DV, but he is out to lunch. DV is a very robust, >> sturdy tape format with no reports of "tape stretch" problems by >> anyone with a modicum of knowledge on the subject. You can get 2 hours >> on a Mini DV tape by using LP on an 80 minute Mini DV tape, I have a >> few times with no problems. Now if you have a full size DV camera you >> get 4 and 1/2 hours run on a DVCam 184 minute tape. I have a couple >> full size DV decks that have the LP option and you get over 7 hours >> run time using the DVCam 184's in those. There is no loss in >> resolution in the DV format regardless of tape speed. >> > > I didn't make the original post and since VHS in a camcorder today is like > a Yugo for a car I made the assumption that the tape the OP was talking > about was MiniDV in which case my statements are perfectly correct. > > Now if you want to prattle on about all of the possible "tapes" the OP > maybe talking about but probably isn't be my guest. However, MiniDV tapes > are well known for stretching especially when re-winding them that again > what I said was valid. As for as other recording modes if you have to drop > the quality to the sh*t hole mode to get 2 hours or more on the tape then > what's the point? We in general want quality video not sh*t video. rate is the same and the data recorded is identical. The only difference is that the data is packed more closely together. No quality is lost -- this is miniDV, a digital format, and miniDV LP mode is not analogous to slower-speed recording of analogue video in which quality does suffer. As for it being "well known" that miniDV tapes stretch, I've never heard that, I have not had any problems attributable to "stretching" in the several hundred tapes that I've shot, nor have I ever heard of anyone having "stretching" related problems. I have heard of those toy "rewinders" causing tapes to stretch. Is that what you meant? It is considered good practice to wind a tape through the camera once to prevent sticking. I don't do that, however, and, as I said, I haven't had any problems in many hundreds of tapes. The reason I recommend against the longer miniDV tapes is that it the thin substrate makes jamming more likely because the pinch rollers in the tape drive are tensioned for the thicker material (though I haven't heard of anyone having this problem). And, as I noted in another post, contrary to your contention, there are a number of sources for longer miniDV tapes, including the link that I posted. Show quote > > =(8)  |
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