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Capture HD video directly from HDMI uncompressedBlackmagic has introduced a very novel capture card called Intensity for
$249 which has an HDMI input and an HDMI output connector. It makes the impressive claim of eliminating HDV compression penalties by directly capturing uncompressed 1920 X 1080 HD video directly from HDV camcorders (at least those which have an HDMI output port) as well as from other HD and SD video sources. It offers a number of other impressive features as well, in particular real-time down-conversion from HD into SD and the ability to sync and switch 2 HDV camcorders with 2 cards in a studio setting. It provides HDMI output to drive monitors, projectors, etc. Macs and PCs are supported, but do require one newer PCI Express slot. It would appear to allow off-the-air HD capture external to set-top boxes equipped with HDMI (and DVI) outputs. Since copyright materials could be captured and digitized, the advertising plainly excludes protected content, and says the board will not be useful for those purposes. More info at: http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/intensity/ On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:02:45 -0500, "Smarty" <nob***@nobody.com> Gave SPAM complaint filed.us: >Blackmagic Hey, f*ckhead. NO SPAM is allowed in Usenet, so f*ck off with your dumb sh*t. "MassiveProng" <MassivePr***@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in Yeah.. that SPAM complaint is really gonna resonate. Smarty.. expect the message news:ftqpt2967pn3s9n942k9moaamc3vs2odue@4ax.com... > On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:02:45 -0500, "Smarty" <nob***@nobody.com> Gave > us: > >>Blackmagic > > SPAM complaint filed. > > Hey, f*ckhead. NO SPAM is allowed in Usenet, so f*ck off with your > dumb sh*t. police at your door.. YOur internet connection will be terminated. YOu NEVER shoulda done that Smarty.. are you cowering yet? Q. what kind of numbnut is this guy? On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:20:00 GMT, "nappy" <spam@spam.com> Gave us: I'd say you're pretty numb, nut, from what you've posted so far.>Q. what kind of numbnut is this guy? > You didn't need to solicit opinions about you here though, you f*cking retard. "MassiveProng" <MassivePr***@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in A. Someone born with critical genes missing.message news:k1ust2hl256ntcik12h0gbgau3f70uc1sg@4ax.com... > On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:20:00 GMT, "nappy" <spam@spam.com> Gave us: > >>Q. what kind of numbnut is this guy? >> > I'd say you're pretty numb, nut, from what you've posted so far. > > You didn't need to solicit opinions about you here though, you > f*cking retard. B. An insecure twit with a chip on his shoulder and bad teeth. C. Someone who wanted to be someone and turned out to be nothing. D. Someone incapable of expressing himself without resorting to profanity and insults. E. A sick asshole. F. All of the above. On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:50:31 GMT, "nappy" <spam@spam.com> Gave us: You lost 10 IQ points with that stupid sh*t, you stupid sh*t.> >A. Someone born with critical genes missing. >B. An insecure twit with a chip on his shoulder and bad teeth. Where do you want to meet, f*cktard? (SD area only) I'll show youwho is insecure. >C. Someone who wanted to be someone and turned out to be nothing. I have done more in the last year to make the world a better placethan your pathetic little retarded ass will in your entire pathetic retarded life. >D. Someone incapable of expressing himself without resorting to profanity Get used to it, you E-1 grade twit! Adults cuss. Wussies and>and insults. Pussies Piss and Moan about it. >E. A sick asshole. No. I am an asshole, but not sick. You are also an asshole. Aseverely retarded asshole, but an asshole, nonetheless. >F. All of the above. You just lost another 20 IQ points, dumbf*ck.I'd bet you couldn't take a test that wasn't multiple choice. In alt.video.dvd MassiveProng <MassivePr***@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:02:45 -0500, "Smarty" <nob***@nobody.com> Gave But...is it really spam?> us: > >Blackmagic > SPAM complaint filed. > Hey, f*ckhead. NO SPAM is allowed in Usenet, so f*ck off with your > dumb sh*t. It was cross-posted, not multi-posted, so its BI rating is well below 20, which is what most admins use to determine if someone is spamming usenet. About the only thing he could be guilty of would be posting an ad to groups that don't allow them. That assumes his post was actually an ad. Was it even an ad? That's debatable. The poster could be a shill, or could just have come across something he thought was interesting/useful information. Most usenet admins rely on automated spam filters, and most ISP admins don't care what you do on usenet, so long as you're not openly violating copyright law (ie. uploading warez, movies, music), using racial slurs, posting MMF or similar illegal scams, or openly threatening someone with physical violence. Otherwise, usenet complaints get ignored. On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:19:53 -0000, Doug Jacobs
<djac***@shell.rawbw.com> Gave us: >About the only thing he could be guilty of would be posting an ad to Imagine that. That would also make him an inconsiderate bastard>groups that don't allow them. then as well! On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:19:53 -0000, Doug Jacobs
<djac***@shell.rawbw.com> Gave us: >That assumes his post was actually an ad. It does NOT have to "be an ad" to be SPAM, dumbass.In alt.video.dvd MassiveProng <MassivePr***@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:19:53 -0000, Doug Jacobs That is correct, but if you had understood my post, the other criteria for > <djac***@shell.rawbw.com> Gave us: > >That assumes his post was actually an ad. > It does NOT have to "be an ad" to be SPAM, dumbass. usenet spam - the repitive posting of the same material over and over again - doesn't apply. To meet that criteria, a post must reach a BI of 20 or above, where BI is calculated by taking the square root of the number of groups a post is cross-posted to, multipled by the number of times the posted over a sliding 30 day window. So, to be spam, a message would either have to be cross-posted once into 400 different groups, or would have to be multi-posted 20 times within a 30 day window. Note that this means if someone posted the same article cross-posted to 25 different groups each week, by the 4th week, all his articles would have a BI of 20, meaning they could be cancelled/deleted off the news server by the news admin (or more likely, his automated anti-spam script.) The only exception to this are articles that are clearly for some sort of illegal activity - warez, MMF scams, etc. These can be cancelled on sight regardless of what the BI score is. This article appeared once, and was cross-posted to 6 or 7 different groups, giving it a BI way below 20. You of course realize the difference between multi-posting, and cross-posting and why the latter is much preferred over the former, right? On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:02:45 -0500, "Smarty" <nob***@nobody.com> Gave They likely lie about the card's ability, and the function theyus: >Since copyright materials could be captured and digitized, the advertising >plainly excludes protected content, and says the board will not be useful >for those purposes. claim it has is illegal. "MassiveProng" <MassivePr***@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in Not spam, or any NG version of it. (And I'm somewhatmessage news:u0rpt25uuemaf0ipcmo1a4jhp8cvc3b85m@4ax.com... > On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:02:45 -0500, "Smarty" <nob***@nobody.com> Gave > us: > >>Since copyright materials could be captured and digitized, the advertising >>plainly excludes protected content, and says the board will not be useful >>for those purposes. > > > They likely lie about the card's ability, and the function they > claim it has is illegal. sensitive to it, myself.) Blackmagic has a good rep. in the budget broadcasting field. Mostly based on their Decklink SDI cards. That card has been floating out there for some time now, still the post is a reasonable heads-up/ new product post. Luck; Ken Luck; Ken On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:51:16 -0600, "Ken Maltby"
<kmal***@sbcglobal.net> Gave us: > Blackmagic has a good rep. in the budget broadcasting Not if they have retarded shills SPAMMING Usenet groups due to lame>field. salesmanship. And yes, it was SPAM. This group is about DVDs not some lame asswipe pushing a product for sale. One of my students brought this new HDMI capture card to me today, and both
of us were trying it out on the MacPro here. It's only been on the market for a few weeks (press release announcing it in mid January) and it is the very first and only card which does HDMI capture. (I don't ever recall seeing a card which does DVI capture either for that matter.) This post has nothing to do with shills, lame salesmanship, or "pushing a product" as you call it. I couldn't care less whether this company or product succeeds or fails commercially. My motive was simply to inform others who may not have been aware of the product. Sorry if it offended you. Smarty Show quote "MassiveProng" <MassivePr***@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message news:9vvpt2hela2eqdvaonaimgc4hbs3u6crfq@4ax.com... > On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:51:16 -0600, "Ken Maltby" > <kmal***@sbcglobal.net> Gave us: > >> Blackmagic has a good rep. in the budget broadcasting >>field. > > > Not if they have retarded shills SPAMMING Usenet groups due to lame > salesmanship. > > And yes, it was SPAM. > > This group is about DVDs not some lame asswipe pushing a product for > sale. On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 22:25:28 -0500, "Smarty" <nob***@nobody.com> Gave Or, apparently, whether or not this Chinese import POS is even legal.us: >This post has nothing to do with shills, lame salesmanship, or "pushing a >product" as you call it. I couldn't care less whether this company or >product succeeds or fails commercially. Cross posting to so many groups is also frowned upon by ISPs these days, so if you were not spamming, dipsh*t, you should at least learn to follow PROPER Usenet posting conventions. "MassiveProng" <MassivePr***@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in So you are trying to boost their sales? If it defeats DRM I mightmessage news:dvhqt25utl02a55at5tlbpls1sv1ia1f3d@4ax.com... > On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 22:25:28 -0500, "Smarty" <nob***@nobody.com> Gave > us: > >>This post has nothing to do with shills, lame salesmanship, or "pushing a >>product" as you call it. I couldn't care less whether this company or >>product succeeds or fails commercially. > > > Or, apparently, whether or not this Chinese import POS is even legal. > want one myself. Are you sure your not a shill yourself there, Mr. Prong? > Cross posting to so many groups is also frowned upon by ISPs these 3 or 4 isn't considered "so many" these days, especially if they all> days, so if you were not spamming, dipsh*t, you should at least learn > to follow PROPER Usenet posting conventions. contain a common term. Hmm... let's see... "Massive Prong" as a "Net Nanny", he's such a shining example of polite and civil discourse on the net. LOL; Ken Thanks Ken,
I won't waste my time with this guy. His name say it all. Smarty Show quote "Ken Maltby" <kmal***@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:-padnW200oT5QUDYnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@giganews.com... > > "MassiveProng" <MassivePr***@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in > message news:dvhqt25utl02a55at5tlbpls1sv1ia1f3d@4ax.com... >> On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 22:25:28 -0500, "Smarty" <nob***@nobody.com> Gave >> us: >> >>>This post has nothing to do with shills, lame salesmanship, or "pushing a >>>product" as you call it. I couldn't care less whether this company or >>>product succeeds or fails commercially. >> >> >> Or, apparently, whether or not this Chinese import POS is even legal. >> > > So you are trying to boost their sales? If it defeats DRM I might > want one myself. Are you sure your not a shill yourself there, > Mr. Prong? > > >> Cross posting to so many groups is also frowned upon by ISPs these >> days, so if you were not spamming, dipsh*t, you should at least learn >> to follow PROPER Usenet posting conventions. > > 3 or 4 isn't considered "so many" these days, especially if they all > contain a common term. > > Hmm... let's see... "Massive Prong" as a "Net Nanny", he's such > a shining example of polite and civil discourse on the net. > > LOL; > Ken > > On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:36:37 -0500, "Smarty" <nob***@nobody.com> Gave Yours doesn't. HA!us: >Thanks Ken, > >I won't waste my time with this guy. His name say it all. > >Smarty > Not only that, but you are ALSO a top posting RETARD as well. Imagine that. An idiot shill that cross posts across several groups, and SPAMs them, and then top posts like a total Usenet newbie. Next thing, I'm sure will be the post where he and his twit patrol all declare that top posting is OK. In your case, smarty, I'm sure you'll have to go look it up as you are obviously someone that knows nothing at all about the forum you interlope our lame ass into. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting Be sure to examine the part about how f*cking utterly stupid the TOFU behavior is, as you also did that, dipsh*t. On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:09:40 -0600, "Ken Maltby"
<kmal***@sbcglobal.net> Gave us: > It was more than four, and most ISPs, including mine puke at more> 3 or 4 isn't considered "so many" these days, especially if they all >contain a common term. than four. And yes cross posting IS considered "so many" ANY cross posting. I have even been ridden on for responding to cross posting twits on their groups as I do not know which group the dolt hangs in. Typically, the dolt only reads responses in and from one of the groups, so he is fishing in the others anyway. Very lame. In alt.video.dvd MassiveProng <MassivePr***@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:
> It was more than four, and most ISPs, including mine puke at more 6 groups isn't massively cross posted. And no, most ISPs don't puke on a > than four. > And yes cross posting IS considered "so many" ANY cross posting. post cross posted to such a small number. 10, 20 groups - sure. But 6?!? Your ISP is pretty lame. And cross posting is much preferred to multi-posting. Your lame ISP should understand that. > I have even been ridden on for responding to cross posting twits on Yeah, I've had that happen when someone posted from a .uk group, and > their groups as I do not know which group the dolt hangs in. x-posted elsewhere. IMHO, if the x-posted article was on topic, then any replies should be allowed. If someone's local news server wants to drop my posts if I'm not in the UK, so be it - it's their server after all. Even so, all YOUR posts have also be x-posted, so by your own definition, you too are spamming. > Typically, the dolt only reads responses in and from one of the If it's x-posted, the replies should show up on all groups - including the > groups, so he is fishing in the others anyway. one he's reading. Granted, if it were really someone who was spamming, they don't read ANY group - they just spam. Yet, you still felt the need to reply to someone you considered a spammer knowing full well that IF he was really a spammer he wouldn't read your posts anyways. So I have to ask you, what was the point of you "spamming" usenet? On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:38:05 -0000, Doug Jacobs
<djac***@shell.rawbw.com> Gave us: >IMHO, if the x-posted article was on topic, then any With this, I agree.>replies should be allowed. On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:38:05 -0000, Doug Jacobs
<djac***@shell.rawbw.com> Gave us: >Even so, all YOUR posts have also be x-posted, so by your own definition, My posts are cross posted (RESPONSES), I am not, nor have I ever been>you too are spamming. spamming by ANY stretch. I have never AUTHORED a post across multiple groups, however. Face it. The guy is a Usenet retard. On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:38:05 -0000, Doug Jacobs
<djac***@shell.rawbw.com> Gave us: > Granted, if it were really someone who was spamming, That's merely an opinion based on the behavior of SOME SPAMTards.>they don't read ANY group - Just like trolls, there are many flavors of SPAMTard. He is most certainly one. On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:38:05 -0000, Doug Jacobs
<djac***@shell.rawbw.com> Gave us: > You're an absolute idiot, boy.>So I have to ask you, what was the point of you "spamming" usenet? On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:09:40 -0600, "Ken Maltby"
<kmal***@sbcglobal.net> Gave us: >Hmm... let's see... "Massive Prong" as a "Net Nanny", he's such f*ck you, retard boy!>a shining example of polite and civil discourse on the net. Weren't you the star of that film "Total Retard"? > You need to get your lithium dose upgraded.>LOL; > Ken, the Usenet dipsh*t. Yep.
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"MassiveProng" <MassivePr***@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in Oh.. where did this twit come from. Never heard of Blackmagic? SPAM?message news:dvhqt25utl02a55at5tlbpls1sv1ia1f3d@4ax.com... > On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 22:25:28 -0500, "Smarty" <nob***@nobody.com> Gave > us: > >>This post has nothing to do with shills, lame salesmanship, or "pushing a >>product" as you call it. I couldn't care less whether this company or >>product succeeds or fails commercially. > > > Or, apparently, whether or not this Chinese import POS is even legal. > > Cross posting to so many groups is also frowned upon by ISPs these > days, so if you were not spamming, dipsh*t, you should at least learn > to follow PROPER Usenet posting conventions. Damn.. I come back and the place is chock full of dolts. Don't look now but that Massive Prong is protruding from your forehead.
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Waiving the right to remain silent, "nappy" <spam@spam.com> said: The dipstick posts from alt.video.dvd.> "MassiveProng" <MassivePr***@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in > message news:dvhqt25utl02a55at5tlbpls1sv1ia1f3d@4ax.com... >> On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 22:25:28 -0500, "Smarty" <nob***@nobody.com> Gave >> us: >> >>>This post has nothing to do with shills, lame salesmanship, or "pushing >>>a product" as you call it. I couldn't care less whether this company or >>>product succeeds or fails commercially. >> >> >> Or, apparently, whether or not this Chinese import POS is even legal. >> >> Cross posting to so many groups is also frowned upon by ISPs these >> days, so if you were not spamming, dipsh*t, you should at least learn >> to follow PROPER Usenet posting conventions. > > Oh.. where did this twit come from. Never heard of Blackmagic? SPAM? > > Damn.. I come back and the place is chock full of dolts. Don't look now > but that Massive Prong is protruding from your forehead. What does a stupid nym like "MassiveProng" tell you..? HINT: 13-year-old pining for his first lay... -- Larry Jandro Video Engineering & Equipment Rentals Scottsdale, Arizona, USA [Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to reply]
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"Larry in AZ" <usen***@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote in message ..1 inch?news:Xns98DF871C61908thefrogprince@69.28.173.184... > Waiving the right to remain silent, "nappy" <spam@spam.com> said: > >> "MassiveProng" <MassivePr***@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in >> message news:dvhqt25utl02a55at5tlbpls1sv1ia1f3d@4ax.com... >>> On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 22:25:28 -0500, "Smarty" <nob***@nobody.com> Gave >>> us: >>> >>>>This post has nothing to do with shills, lame salesmanship, or "pushing >>>>a product" as you call it. I couldn't care less whether this company or >>>>product succeeds or fails commercially. >>> >>> >>> Or, apparently, whether or not this Chinese import POS is even legal. >>> >>> Cross posting to so many groups is also frowned upon by ISPs these >>> days, so if you were not spamming, dipsh*t, you should at least learn >>> to follow PROPER Usenet posting conventions. >> >> Oh.. where did this twit come from. Never heard of Blackmagic? SPAM? >> >> Damn.. I come back and the place is chock full of dolts. Don't look now >> but that Massive Prong is protruding from your forehead. > > The dipstick posts from alt.video.dvd. > > What does a stupid nym like "MassiveProng" tell you..? On 2/22/2007, nappy posted this:
Show quote > "Larry in AZ" <usen***@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote in message OK, I give up: length or diameter?> news:Xns98DF871C61908thefrogprince@69.28.173.184... >> Waiving the right to remain silent, "nappy" <spam@spam.com> said: >> >>> "MassiveProng" <MassivePr***@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in >>> message news:dvhqt25utl02a55at5tlbpls1sv1ia1f3d@4ax.com... >>>> On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 22:25:28 -0500, "Smarty" <nob***@nobody.com> Gave >>>> us: >>>> >>>>>This post has nothing to do with shills, lame salesmanship, or "pushing >>>>>a product" as you call it. I couldn't care less whether this company or >>>>>product succeeds or fails commercially. >>>> >>>> >>>> Or, apparently, whether or not this Chinese import POS is even legal. >>>> >>>> Cross posting to so many groups is also frowned upon by ISPs these >>>> days, so if you were not spamming, dipsh*t, you should at least learn >>>> to follow PROPER Usenet posting conventions. >>> >>> Oh.. where did this twit come from. Never heard of Blackmagic? SPAM? >>> >>> Damn.. I come back and the place is chock full of dolts. Don't look now >>> but that Massive Prong is protruding from your forehead. >> >> The dipstick posts from alt.video.dvd. >> >> What does a stupid nym like "MassiveProng" tell you..? > > .1 inch? -- Gene E. Bloch (Gino) letters617blochg3251 (replace the numbers by "at" and "dotcom") On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:03:24 -0800, Gene E. Bloch
<spamfree@nobody.invalid> Gave us: > More like obsessed, wussified retards.>OK, I give up: length or diameter? On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:17:00 GMT, Larry in AZ
<usen***@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> Gave us: >The dipstick posts from alt.video.dvd. As if a retard like you would know.> It isn't stupid, but you are.>What does a stupid nym like "MassiveProng" tell you..? > Why yes, I have been an EE for 13 years.>HINT: 13-year-old pining for his first lay... > Larry Jandro A total retard.> Video Engineering & Equipment Rentals Hahaha.. I hope someone rips you off.> Scottsdale, Arizona, USA I hope you die from heat exhaustion.> [Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to reply] You are "ALL TARD" why would someone want to reply to your retardedass by email? On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:19:22 GMT, "nappy" <spam@spam.com> Gave us: Do the math, dipsh*t. They lie.> >Oh.. where did this twit come from. Never heard of Blackmagic? SPAM? > >Damn.. I come back and the place is chock full of dolts. Don't look now but >that Massive Prong is protruding from your forehead. > In alt.video.dvd MassiveProng <MassivePr***@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:
> Or, apparently, whether or not this Chinese import POS is even legal. Why wouldn't it be legal? Just the existence of a product doesn't make it illegal. If you used a pen to kill someone, does that make all pens illegal? > Cross posting to so many groups is also frowned upon by ISPs these Ooh. He cross-posted (not multi-posted!) to 4 whole groups. My server > days, so if you were not spamming, dipsh*t, you should at least learn > to follow PROPER Usenet posting conventions. got 2 copies of his post for some reason, but even so, that makes the total BI for his post a whole whopping 4. A BI of 20 or more is considered spam by usenet's standards. He wasn't posting MMF or some other blatant scam (which are automatically cancelable on sight). He made a single post about a product he'd come across. Even as a paid shill, the post is still not considered spam. Grow up and learn to use your reader's filter features. You'll be a lot happier.
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"MassiveProng" <MassivePr***@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in Please STOP STOP STOP trying to be a net policeman. Turgid and message news:dvhqt25utl02a55at5tlbpls1sv1ia1f3d@4ax.com... > On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 22:25:28 -0500, "Smarty" <nob***@nobody.com> Gave > us: > >>This post has nothing to do with shills, lame salesmanship, or "pushing a >>product" as you call it. I couldn't care less whether this company or >>product succeeds or fails commercially. > > > Or, apparently, whether or not this Chinese import POS is even legal. > > Cross posting to so many groups is also frowned upon by ISPs these > days, so if you were not spamming, dipsh*t, you should at least learn > to follow PROPER Usenet posting conventions. tiresome....and stupid.
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On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 00:44:07 -0800, "Alpha" <n***@none.net> Gave us: He called me a cross poster. I said I was merely replying.> >"MassiveProng" <MassivePr***@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in >message news:dvhqt25utl02a55at5tlbpls1sv1ia1f3d@4ax.com... >> On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 22:25:28 -0500, "Smarty" <nob***@nobody.com> Gave >> us: >> >>>This post has nothing to do with shills, lame salesmanship, or "pushing a >>>product" as you call it. I couldn't care less whether this company or >>>product succeeds or fails commercially. >> >> >> Or, apparently, whether or not this Chinese import POS is even legal. >> >> Cross posting to so many groups is also frowned upon by ISPs these >> days, so if you were not spamming, dipsh*t, you should at least learn >> to follow PROPER Usenet posting conventions. > >Please STOP STOP STOP trying to be a net policeman. Turgid and >tiresome....and stupid. > Learn to read before you spew, dumbf*ck. He was the netcoptard, you retarded twit. On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 23:37:43 -0800, MassiveProng
<MassivePr***@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote: > Cross posting to so many groups is also frowned upon by ISPs these Say what? The server software is smart enough nowadays (actually for years>days, so if you were not spamming, dipsh*t, you should at least learn >to follow PROPER Usenet posting conventions. already) to only have one instance of the post, and for the other newsgroups just a reference to the that post. Do you think the programmers didn't foresee that crossposting will continue till death do us part? -m- -- Show quoteOfficial website "Jonah's Quid" http://www.jonahsquids.co.uk On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 20:29:48 +0100, Martin Heffels
<goo***@flikken.net> Gave us: > That is NOT the reason, you f*cking retard!>Say what? The server software is smart enough nowadays (actually for years >already) to only have one instance of the post, Hey, Smarty, any normal person who reads this newsgroup knows that
you're a regular here who often posts helpful stuff. I wouldn't think anyone else thinks you're a spammer. Read other posts by MP or his sockpuppets and you'll know all you need to know about that. On 2/21/2007, Smarty posted this: Show quote > One of my students brought this new HDMI capture card to me today, and both > of us were trying it out on the MacPro here. It's only been on the market for > a few weeks (press release announcing it in mid January) and it is the very > first and only card which does HDMI capture. (I don't ever recall seeing a > card which does DVI capture either for that matter.) > > This post has nothing to do with shills, lame salesmanship, or "pushing a > product" as you call it. I couldn't care less whether this company or product > succeeds or fails commercially. > > My motive was simply to inform others who may not have been aware of the > product. > > Sorry if it offended you. > > Smarty > > > > "MassiveProng" <MassivePr***@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in > message news:9vvpt2hela2eqdvaonaimgc4hbs3u6crfq@4ax.com... >> On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:51:16 -0600, "Ken Maltby" >> <kmal***@sbcglobal.net> Gave us: >> >>> Blackmagic has a good rep. in the budget broadcasting >>>field. >> >> >> Not if they have retarded shills SPAMMING Usenet groups due to lame >> salesmanship. >> >> And yes, it was SPAM. >> >> This group is about DVDs not some lame asswipe pushing a product for >> sale. -- Gene E. Bloch (Gino) letters617blochg3251 (replace the numbers by "at" and "dotcom") Thanks Gene and Stuart. It seems like there are so many interesting new
things happening in this world of video, hi def, BluRay, etc. and keeping up with new developments has been helped a lot for me by reading what others have to say in these newsgroups. I don't get especially hung up on "How many newsgroups should I post this to, 3 or 4?" or spend too much time thinking; "Will somebody maybe think I have a hidden business motive for describing a new computer PCI card?". As a result I may be violating certain rules of newsgroup etiquette. Also, since I have been using newsgroups for nearly 30 years and have a different mindset about how to share information to improve knowledge and understanding, I tend to rely on patterns which may be out of fashion. I do know for certain that it doesn't take much to qualify to participate in these discussion groups, and thus there are far too many adolescent / immature kids sitting at keyboards looking to act in a way they consider adult, but their manners, vulgarity, and poor judgment betray them over and over again. I try to ignore them, since they may be encouraged by giving them attention. "Starve the trolls", to use another very apt way of describing it. Thanks again for your encouraging words. Smarty Show quote "Gene E. Bloch" <spamfree@nobody.invalid> wrote in message news:mn.b3c17d72d751b239.1980@nobody.invalid... > Hey, Smarty, any normal person who reads this newsgroup knows that you're > a regular here who often posts helpful stuff. I wouldn't think anyone else > thinks you're a spammer. > > Read other posts by MP or his sockpuppets and you'll know all you need to > know about that. > > On 2/21/2007, Smarty posted this: >> One of my students brought this new HDMI capture card to me today, and >> both of us were trying it out on the MacPro here. It's only been on the >> market for a few weeks (press release announcing it in mid January) and >> it is the very first and only card which does HDMI capture. (I don't ever >> recall seeing a card which does DVI capture either for that matter.) >> >> This post has nothing to do with shills, lame salesmanship, or "pushing a >> product" as you call it. I couldn't care less whether this company or >> product succeeds or fails commercially. >> >> My motive was simply to inform others who may not have been aware of the >> product. >> >> Sorry if it offended you. >> >> Smarty >> >> >> >> "MassiveProng" <MassivePr***@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in >> message news:9vvpt2hela2eqdvaonaimgc4hbs3u6crfq@4ax.com... >>> On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:51:16 -0600, "Ken Maltby" >>> <kmal***@sbcglobal.net> Gave us: >>> >>>> Blackmagic has a good rep. in the budget broadcasting >>>>field. >>> >>> >>> Not if they have retarded shills SPAMMING Usenet groups due to lame >>> salesmanship. >>> >>> And yes, it was SPAM. >>> >>> This group is about DVDs not some lame asswipe pushing a product for >>> sale. > > -- > Gene E. Bloch (Gino) > letters617blochg3251 > (replace the numbers by "at" and "dotcom") > > On 2/22/2007, Smarty posted this:
> Thanks Gene and Stuart. It seems like there are so many interesting new I certainly don't find anything wrong with what you're doing. It's nice > things happening in this world of video, hi def, BluRay, etc. and keeping up > with new developments has been helped a lot for me by reading what others > have to say in these newsgroups. I don't get especially hung up on "How many > newsgroups should I post this to, 3 or 4?" or spend too much time thinking; > "Will somebody maybe think I have a hidden business motive for describing a > new computer PCI card?". As a result I may be violating certain rules of > newsgroup etiquette. Also, since I have been using newsgroups for nearly 30 > years and have a different mindset about how to share information to improve > knowledge and understanding, I tend to rely on patterns which may be out of > fashion. to learn about things I might otherwise never have heard of... Show quote > I do know for certain that it doesn't take much to qualify to participate in > these discussion groups, and thus there are far too many adolescent / > immature kids sitting at keyboards looking to act in a way they consider > adult, but their manners, vulgarity, and poor judgment betray them over and > over again. I try to ignore them, since they may be encouraged by giving them > attention. "Starve the trolls", to use another very apt way of describing it. > > Thanks again for your encouraging words. > > Smarty > > > > "Gene E. Bloch" <spamfree@nobody.invalid> wrote in message > news:mn.b3c17d72d751b239.1980@nobody.invalid... >> Hey, Smarty, any normal person who reads this newsgroup knows that you're a >> regular here who often posts helpful stuff. I wouldn't think anyone else >> thinks you're a spammer. >> >> Read other posts by MP or his sockpuppets and you'll know all you need to >> know about that. >> >> On 2/21/2007, Smarty posted this: >>> One of my students brought this new HDMI capture card to me today, and >>> both of us were trying it out on the MacPro here. It's only been on the >>> market for a few weeks (press release announcing it in mid January) and it >>> is the very first and only card which does HDMI capture. (I don't ever >>> recall seeing a card which does DVI capture either for that matter.) >>> >>> This post has nothing to do with shills, lame salesmanship, or "pushing a >>> product" as you call it. I couldn't care less whether this company or >>> product succeeds or fails commercially. >>> >>> My motive was simply to inform others who may not have been aware of the >>> product. >>> >>> Sorry if it offended you. >>> >>> Smarty >>> >>> >>> >>> "MassiveProng" <MassivePr***@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in >>> message news:9vvpt2hela2eqdvaonaimgc4hbs3u6crfq@4ax.com... >>>> On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:51:16 -0600, "Ken Maltby" >>>> <kmal***@sbcglobal.net> Gave us: >>>> >>>>> Blackmagic has a good rep. in the budget broadcasting >>>>>field. >>>> >>>> >>>> Not if they have retarded shills SPAMMING Usenet groups due to lame >>>> salesmanship. >>>> >>>> And yes, it was SPAM. >>>> >>>> This group is about DVDs not some lame asswipe pushing a product for >>>> sale. >> >> -- Gene E. Bloch (Gino) >> letters617blochg3251 >> (replace the numbers by "at" and "dotcom") >> >> -- Gene E. Bloch (Gino) letters617blochg3251 (replace the numbers by "at" and "dotcom") On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:01:45 -0800, Gene E. Bloch
<spamfree@nobody.invalid> Gave us: >Read other posts by MP or his sockpuppets and you'll know all you need There are no puppets, retard boy. I post under one nym. When and>to know about that. if I change it, I post under another. I never post under more than one at any time, so your lingo is as retarded as your are. In alt.video.dvd MassiveProng <MassivePr***@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:
> There are no puppets, retard boy. I post under one nym. When and Why have you felt the need to change your nym - or use a nym at all?> if I change it, I post under another. I never post under more than > one at any time, so your lingo is as retarded as your are. On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:41:40 -0000, Doug Jacobs
<djac***@shell.rawbw.com> Gave us: >In alt.video.dvd MassiveProng <MassivePr***@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote: Usenet is an anonymous realm.> >> There are no puppets, retard boy. I post under one nym. When and >> if I change it, I post under another. I never post under more than >> one at any time, so your lingo is as retarded as your are. > >Why have you felt the need to change your nym - or use a nym at all? I wouldn't give you retarded f*ckheads any personal data about me if I were paid to. Were we under Wild Wild West laws... THEN I would, and many folks would be "breathless" after crossing my path. On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:01:45 -0800, Gene E. Bloch
<spamfree@nobody.invalid> Gave us: >Gene E. Bloch (Gino) As you wish...>letters617blochg3251 >(replace the numbers by "at" and "dotcom") Just following your instructions: lett***@blochg.com Like that, dipsh*t? On 2/22/2007, MassiveProng posted this:
Show quote > On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:01:45 -0800, Gene E. Bloch So, I take it that, rather than provide arguments that would logically > <spamfree@nobody.invalid> Gave us: > >> Gene E. Bloch (Gino) >> letters617blochg3251 >> (replace the numbers by "at" and "dotcom") > > As you wish... > > Just following your instructions: > > <SNIP> > > Like that, dipsh*t? justify your position on some issue, you prefer to take action that might cause harm to another? -- Gene E. Bloch (Gino) letters617blochg3251 (replace the numbers by "at" and "dotcom") On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:14:45 -0800, Gene E. Bloch
<spamfree@nobody.invalid> Gave us: Show quote >On 2/22/2007, MassiveProng posted this: It was by your DIRECT direction, dumbf*ck. Proof is right there in>> On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:01:45 -0800, Gene E. Bloch >> <spamfree@nobody.invalid> Gave us: >> >>> Gene E. Bloch (Gino) >>> letters617blochg3251 >>> (replace the numbers by "at" and "dotcom") >> >> As you wish... >> >> Just following your instructions: >> >> <SNIP> >> >> Like that, dipsh*t? > >So, I take it that, rather than provide arguments that would logically >justify your position on some issue, you prefer to take action that >might cause harm to another? your sig. Don't be a wuss. The engines that search only do so in headers, dipsh*t. Should I change the thread title and place it up there? Maybe you should change your sig, retard.
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"Smarty" <nob***@nobody.com> wrote in message regrettably there are many people who simply enjoy being offended - they news:A5Odna_4XL61kEDYnZ2dnUVZ_h-vnZ2d@adelphia.com... > One of my students brought this new HDMI capture card to me today, and > both of us were trying it out on the MacPro here. It's only been on the > market for a few weeks (press release announcing it in mid January) and it > is the very first and only card which does HDMI capture. (I don't ever > recall seeing a card which does DVI capture either for that matter.) > > This post has nothing to do with shills, lame salesmanship, or "pushing a > product" as you call it. I couldn't care less whether this company or > product succeeds or fails commercially. > > My motive was simply to inform others who may not have been aware of the > product. > > Sorry if it offended you. > > Smarty > > > > "MassiveProng" <MassivePr***@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in > message news:9vvpt2hela2eqdvaonaimgc4hbs3u6crfq@4ax.com... >> On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:51:16 -0600, "Ken Maltby" >> <kmal***@sbcglobal.net> Gave us: >> >>> Blackmagic has a good rep. in the budget broadcasting >>>field. >> >> >> Not if they have retarded shills SPAMMING Usenet groups due to lame >> salesmanship. >> >> And yes, it was SPAM. >> >> This group is about DVDs not some lame asswipe pushing a product for >> sale. > > allow themselves to be offended. I've long learnt to simply ignore these people. As children they were the ones in supermarkets having a hissy fit etc. I found the original post informative and have in-fact placed an order. Maybe the cross posting to different groups is not a good idea but the device itself is a useful device in the preparation and capture of material for a DVD...... so it's not that far off. People who react emotionally with caps etc and poorly chosen descriptive adjectives should be encouraged to go back to school or if located in the USA maybe the latest fad of Rehab! On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 00:35:29 GMT, "Stuart" <stua***@whodunnit8.com> There's a sucker born every minute!Gave us: > I found the original post informative and have in-fact placed an order. On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 00:35:29 GMT, "Stuart" <stua***@whodunnit8.com> I prefer personal meetings involving giving you attitudeGave us: > People who react emotionally with >caps etc and poorly chosen descriptive adjectives should be encouraged to go >back to school or if located in the USA maybe the latest fad of Rehab! adjustments with a baseball bat. Where do you want to meet, pussy boy? I have some rehab for you. In alt.video.dvd MassiveProng <MassivePr***@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:
> I prefer personal meetings involving giving you attitude Oh goody. A personal threat of violence - AND it's x-posted. That makes > adjustments with a baseball bat. Where do you want to meet, pussy > boy? I have some rehab for you. you a criminal AND a spammer. What would Cox.net think of that? Perhaps someone should forward your post(s) to the abuse desk and ask them? Waiving the right to remain silent, Doug Jacobs <djac***@shell.rawbw.com>
said: > In alt.video.dvd MassiveProng "MassiveProng"> <MassivePr***@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote: > >> I prefer personal meetings involving giving you attitude >> adjustments with a baseball bat. Where do you want to meet, pussy >> boy? I have some rehab for you. > > Oh goody. A personal threat of violence - AND it's x-posted. That > makes you a criminal AND a spammer. What would Cox.net think of that? > Perhaps someone should forward your post(s) to the abuse desk and ask > them? BWAHAHAHAHA..! -- Larry Jandro Video Engineering & Equipment Rentals Scottsdale, Arizona, USA [Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to reply] On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:44:23 -0000, Doug Jacobs
<djac***@shell.rawbw.com> Gave us: >In alt.video.dvd MassiveProng <MassivePr***@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote: Nope. No threat at all.> >> I prefer personal meetings involving giving you attitude >> adjustments with a baseball bat. Where do you want to meet, pussy >> boy? I have some rehab for you. > >Oh goody. A personal threat of violence - I offered "rehab". No threat there. > AND it's x-posted. That makes Nope. Your errant observation makes you an idiot though.>you a criminal AND a spammer. > What would Cox.net think of that? They read my posts, and laugh at my targets.> Perhaps I would get the standard auto-email, and it would then die from>someone should forward your post(s) to the abuse desk and ask them? there. AND then they would laugh... at you, and instruct you to use your filters.
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"MassiveProng" <MassivePr***@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in Excellent! I have made you angry like a puppet on a string! Now your gastric message news:rjvst2lu66b4gphr9050tm53ujpcpafh9t@4ax.com... > On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 00:35:29 GMT, "Stuart" <stua***@whodunnit8.com> > Gave us: > >> People who react emotionally with >>caps etc and poorly chosen descriptive adjectives should be encouraged to >>go >>back to school or if located in the USA maybe the latest fad of Rehab! > > > I prefer personal meetings involving giving you attitude > adjustments with a baseball bat. Where do you want to meet, pussy > boy? I have some rehab for you. juices (look up dictionary for meaning) and adrenalin (look up dictionary for meaning) are having a deleterious (especially this one look up dictionary for meaning) effect on your health. Keep getting angry I'm getting off on it.... On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 00:44:54 GMT, "Stuart" <stua***@whodunnit8.com> Don't need to, dumbf*ck. I own "The Magic Christian"Gave us: > Now your gastric >juices (look up dictionary for meaning) You are merely some of what was in the pool at the end of the flic. And I ain't talkin' about the cash or the people. Now, you go look *that* one up, MovieTard! On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 00:44:54 GMT, "Stuart" <stua***@whodunnit8.com> TMI, retard boy... TMI.Gave us: >Keep getting angry I'm >getting off on it.... In alt.video.dvd MassiveProng <MassivePr***@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:
> And yes, it was SPAM. BI is less than 20, so not spam.BTW, "SPAM" is that vaguely pink stuff you buy in cans from the supermarket. The Hormel Corp. would rather you not refer to 'spam' as 'SPAM'. > This group is about DVDs not some lame asswipe pushing a product for Again, depends on what "this" group is. Arguably, it could be considered > sale. a related topic for DVDs due to the emergence of HDMI. In alt.video.dvd MassiveProng <MassivePr***@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:
> They likely lie about the card's ability, and the function they Only if you use it in an illegal fashion.> claim it has is illegal. On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:22:13 -0000, Doug Jacobs
<djac***@shell.rawbw.com> Gave us: >In alt.video.dvd MassiveProng <MassivePr***@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote: Nope. Hardware can be illegal even before it ever ships.> >> They likely lie about the card's ability, and the function they >> claim it has is illegal. > >Only if you use it in an illegal fashion. In alt.video.dvd MassiveProng <MassivePr***@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:
> >Only if you use it in an illegal fashion. Explain how an inanimate object is capable of breaking the law without any > Nope. Hardware can be illegal even before it ever ships. human interaction whatsoever? Even possession requires a human - and even then, it's the human that breaks the law, not the object. Otherwise, what, we should be putting guns in prison? "Doug Jacobs" wrote ...
> MassiveProng wrote: Example: The mere existence of chemical weapons is illegal>> Nope. Hardware can be illegal even before it ever ships. > > Explain how an inanimate object is capable of breaking the law without any > human interaction whatsoever? everywhere in the civilized world. There are many other examples. > Even possession requires a human - and even then, it's the human that Lots of things are illegal to just exist.> breaks the law, not the object. Otherwise, what, we should be putting > guns in prison? On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:17:56 -0800, "Richard Crowley"
<rcrow***@xp7rt.net> Gave us: Show quote >"Doug Jacobs" wrote ... I think he is one. Or at least "There should be a law.">> MassiveProng wrote: >>> Nope. Hardware can be illegal even before it ever ships. >> >> Explain how an inanimate object is capable of breaking the law without any >> human interaction whatsoever? > >Example: The mere existence of chemical weapons is illegal >everywhere in the civilized world. There are many other examples. > >> Even possession requires a human - and even then, it's the human that >> breaks the law, not the object. Otherwise, what, we should be putting >> guns in prison? > >Lots of things are illegal to just exist. > Bwuahahahahahaha! In alt.video.dvd Richard Crowley <rcrow***@xp7rt.net> wrote:
> > Explain how an inanimate object is capable of breaking the law without any That would still require ownership.> > human interaction whatsoever? > Example: The mere existence of chemical weapons is illegal > everywhere in the civilized world. There are many other examples. Marijuana is illegal in many parts of the world, yet it is an otherwise naturally occuring plant. If found growing on an abandoned lot, what, you'll have it arrested? On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:01:29 -0000, Doug Jacobs
<djac***@shell.rawbw.com> Gave us: > No, dumbf*ck. All it requires is that it be manufactured. PERIOD.>That would still require ownership. On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:01:29 -0000, Doug Jacobs
<djac***@shell.rawbw.com> Gave us: > When you show us just how truly low your IQ is, it really gives us>Marijuana is illegal in many parts of the world, yet it is an otherwise >naturally occuring plant. If found growing on an abandoned lot, what, >you'll have it arrested? insight as to your grasp of reality... lack thereof, that is. On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 01:10:25 -0000, Doug Jacobs
<djac***@shell.rawbw.com> Gave us: >In alt.video.dvd MassiveProng <MassivePr***@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote: You are too stupid to warrant a response, boy.> >> >Only if you use it in an illegal fashion. > >> Nope. Hardware can be illegal even before it ever ships. > >Explain how an inanimate object is capable of breaking the law without any >human interaction whatsoever? It can be illegal to MAKE a given piece of hardware, therefore, after making it, it is illegal even before shipping, you clueless twit. > No sh*t, you brainless f*cktard.>Even possession requires a human > - and even then, it's the human that Like the human that decided to manufacture an illegal product?>breaks the law, not the object. > Otherwise, what, we should be putting You're a goddamned retard. You should be putting at least one gun>guns in prison? to your head, dumbf*ck. On a sunny day (Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:02:45 -0500) it happened "Smarty"
<nob***@nobody.com> wrote in <sZydnTCBCcaIwkHYnZ2dnUVZ_rmdn***@adelphia.com>: Show quote >Blackmagic has introduced a very novel capture card called Intensity for Hi, thank you for the interesting posting.>$249 which has an HDMI input and an HDMI output connector. It makes the >impressive claim of eliminating HDV compression penalties by directly >capturing uncompressed 1920 X 1080 HD video directly from HDV camcorders (at >least those which have an HDMI output port) as well as from other HD and SD >video sources. It offers a number of other impressive features as well, in >particular real-time down-conversion from HD into SD and the ability to sync >and switch 2 HDV camcorders with 2 cards in a studio setting. It provides >HDMI output to drive monitors, projectors, etc. Macs and PCs are supported, >but do require one newer PCI Express slot. It would appear to allow >off-the-air HD capture external to set-top boxes equipped with HDMI (and >DVI) outputs. > >Since copyright materials could be captured and digitized, the advertising >plainly excludes protected content, and says the board will not be useful >for those purposes. > >More info at: http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/intensity/ For 1920x1080 @ 25fps I was thinking about the transfer rate for the disk system that is required. Let's see: 1920 x 1080 x 25 x 24 (bit per pixel) / 8 = 155 520 000 bytes / second, is about 155 MB /s (1 244 160 000 bps, or 1.24 Gbits / s) It seems the disk system will have to be able to do about 200 MB/s sustained. Not every harddisk will sustain this, I just looked around at the seagate site for a usable disk... It is not an interface issue (SATA or SCSI), SATA goes to 3Gb/s, but more a drive issue. Any comments? Jan,
What a refreshing and intelligent reply! I've done a bit of research on this specific topic, and it appears that "Port Multiplication" with SATA drives in a RAID is an available and more than adequate solution. The web link cited below shows simple to achieve 230 MB/sec performance and offers a solution up to around 265 MB/sec as well. http://www.macgurus.com/productpages/sata/PortMultiplicationGuide.php This will certainly fill disk drives quickly!! Given that cable boxes and satellite boxes are not generally providing HDCP over HDMI, this would appear to be an alternative method to directly capture cable and satellite HDTV at full resolution. Smarty Show quote "Jan Panteltje" <pNaonStpealm***@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:erk4r3$kgk$1@news.datemas.de... > On a sunny day (Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:02:45 -0500) it happened "Smarty" > <nob***@nobody.com> wrote in > <sZydnTCBCcaIwkHYnZ2dnUVZ_rmdn***@adelphia.com>: > >>Blackmagic has introduced a very novel capture card called Intensity for >>$249 which has an HDMI input and an HDMI output connector. It makes the >>impressive claim of eliminating HDV compression penalties by directly >>capturing uncompressed 1920 X 1080 HD video directly from HDV camcorders >>(at >>least those which have an HDMI output port) as well as from other HD and >>SD >>video sources. It offers a number of other impressive features as well, in >>particular real-time down-conversion from HD into SD and the ability to >>sync >>and switch 2 HDV camcorders with 2 cards in a studio setting. It provides >>HDMI output to drive monitors, projectors, etc. Macs and PCs are >>supported, >>but do require one newer PCI Express slot. It would appear to allow >>off-the-air HD capture external to set-top boxes equipped with HDMI (and >>DVI) outputs. >> >>Since copyright materials could be captured and digitized, the advertising >>plainly excludes protected content, and says the board will not be useful >>for those purposes. >> >>More info at: http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/intensity/ > > Hi, thank you for the interesting posting. > For 1920x1080 @ 25fps I was thinking about the transfer rate for the disk > system that is required. > Let's see: > 1920 x 1080 x 25 x 24 (bit per pixel) / 8 = 155 520 000 bytes / second, > is about 155 MB /s (1 244 160 000 bps, or 1.24 Gbits / s) > > It seems the disk system will have to be able to do about 200 MB/s > sustained. > > Not every harddisk will sustain this, I just looked around at the seagate > site for a usable disk... > It is not an interface issue (SATA or SCSI), SATA goes to 3Gb/s, but more > a drive issue. > Any comments? > On a sunny day (Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:35:11 -0500) it happened "Smarty"
<nob***@nobody.com> wrote in <IeWdnaWQ04rybUDYnZ2dnUVZ_qemn***@adelphia.com>: Show quote >Jan, Good info, thank you, good to know somebody already did all this..> >What a refreshing and intelligent reply! I've done a bit of research on this >specific topic, and it appears that "Port Multiplication" with SATA drives >in a RAID is an available and more than adequate solution. The web link >cited below shows simple to achieve 230 MB/sec performance and offers a >solution up to around 265 MB/sec as well. > > >http://www.macgurus.com/productpages/sata/PortMultiplicationGuide.php > >This will certainly fill disk drives quickly!! > >Given that cable boxes and satellite boxes are not generally providing HDCP >over HDMI, this would appear to be an alternative method to directly capture >cable and satellite HDTV at full resolution. > >Smarty Yes, it will take a lot of space: at 200 MB / s for 90 minutes 90 x 60 x 200 = 1 080 000 MB say 1.1 Tera Byte. That is if you wanted to record a movie. It would not be so good if you recorded from a settop box, or even from a DVD player, as the source would be mpeg2 or similar, and that is better recorded as .ps or transport stream, taking much less space. But for directly from a HD camera it is the right stuff. Then you need more space for editing, at least double the space, 10TB would be nice. Now let's extrapolate a bit: In the 1980 ties we were at 10MB for a harddisk. Now, say 20 years later, we are at 500 MB. A factor 50 in 20 years. So perhaps 10 years from now we have the 12 TB harddisks.... In 5 years from now the 6 TB, and that would be enough already. Just to know where it will go :-) Jan,
This HDMI adapter does offer a "back-door" type of access to the cable and satellite content which could otherwise be difficult or impossible to gain access to / extract in mpeg2/mpeg4/H.264 .ps or .ts streams given the way the content cartel works and cable/satellite hardware is designed. Recompression from the HDMI capture down to a BluRay or HD DVD compliant format would be inefficient and risk artifacts and image quality loss, but may be the only way to capture and then economically archive this type of programming. Alternately, perhaps the cable and satellite providers will offer burners in their HD PVRs. Time will tell. Since a 1 TB drive has already been announced, holding ~90 minutes of this raw content, I would think the time is almost immediate when a very usable somewhat modestly priced NLE could be built. Blackmagic identifies Adobe Premiere Pro, Final Cut, and other software as already being up to the task. Looks like a new and interesting next frontier. Smarty Show quote "Jan Panteltje" <pNaonStpealm***@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:erktje$h07$1@news.datemas.de... > On a sunny day (Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:35:11 -0500) it happened "Smarty" > <nob***@nobody.com> wrote in > <IeWdnaWQ04rybUDYnZ2dnUVZ_qemn***@adelphia.com>: > >>Jan, >> >>What a refreshing and intelligent reply! I've done a bit of research on >>this >>specific topic, and it appears that "Port Multiplication" with SATA drives >>in a RAID is an available and more than adequate solution. The web link >>cited below shows simple to achieve 230 MB/sec performance and offers a >>solution up to around 265 MB/sec as well. >> >> >>http://www.macgurus.com/productpages/sata/PortMultiplicationGuide.php >> >>This will certainly fill disk drives quickly!! >> >>Given that cable boxes and satellite boxes are not generally providing >>HDCP >>over HDMI, this would appear to be an alternative method to directly >>capture >>cable and satellite HDTV at full resolution. >> >>Smarty > > Good info, thank you, good to know somebody already did all this.. > Yes, it will take a lot of space: > at 200 MB / s for 90 minutes 90 x 60 x 200 = 1 080 000 MB say 1.1 Tera > Byte. > That is if you wanted to record a movie. > It would not be so good if you recorded from a settop box, or even from a > DVD player, > as the source would be mpeg2 or similar, and that is better recorded as > .ps or > transport stream, taking much less space. > But for directly from a HD camera it is the right stuff. > Then you need more space for editing, at least double the space, 10TB > would be nice. > Now let's extrapolate a bit: > In the 1980 ties we were at 10MB for a harddisk. > Now, say 20 years later, we are at 500 MB. > A factor 50 in 20 years. > So perhaps 10 years from now we have the 12 TB harddisks.... > In 5 years from now the 6 TB, and that would be enough already. > Just to know where it will go :-) > > On a sunny day (Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:58:43 -0500) it happened "Smarty"
<nob***@nobody.com> wrote in <J7GdnQ59t7memUPYnZ2dnUVZ_siln***@adelphia.com>: >Jan, Well, I have some experience with that (cartel):> >This HDMI adapter does offer a "back-door" type of access to the cable and >satellite content which could otherwise be difficult or impossible to gain >access to / extract in mpeg2/mpeg4/H.264 .ps or .ts streams given the way >the content cartel works and cable/satellite hardware is designed. http://panteltje.com/panteltje/dvd/index.html Unfortunately it is now very illegal to even (think?) about all that :-) The good news is Blu-Ray and that other HD DVD format is already in the clear . I think most European DTV channels are in the clear too... OTOH a news system with even more DRM is in the make for sat TV in Europe. Personally I do not watch cracked stuff anymore, we have hundreds of free channels, if they do not want me to see their advertisers, then that is their problem :-) >Recompression from the HDMI capture down to a BluRay or HD DVD compliant Indeed.>format would be inefficient and risk artifacts and image quality loss, but >may be the only way to capture and then economically archive this type of >programming. Alternately, perhaps the cable and satellite providers will >offer burners in their HD PVRs. Time will tell. >Since a 1 TB drive has already been announced, holding ~90 minutes of this Agreed.>raw content, I would think the time is almost immediate when a very usable >somewhat modestly priced NLE could be built. Blackmagic identifies Adobe >Premiere Pro, Final Cut, and other software as already being up to the task. >Looks like a new and interesting next frontier. > >Smarty On a sunny day (Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:14:30 GMT) it happened Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealm***@yahoo.com> wrote in <erktje$h0***@news.datemas.de>: >Now let's extrapolate a bit: Oops, bit of an error, should be 500 GB :-)>In the 1980 ties we were at 10MB for a harddisk. >Now, say 20 years later, we are at 500 MB. So, 50000 x increase in 20 years.... Extrapolating this means the 10 TB drive must already be on sale this week, OK lemme google for it: http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/seagate-claims-world-record-for-magnetic-recording-density/ http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=70012 hehe On 2/22/2007, Jan Panteltje posted this:
Show quote > On a sunny day (Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:14:30 GMT) it happened Jan Panteltje My favorite part of this (besides the amazement!) was their comment > <pNaonStpealm***@yahoo.com> wrote in <erktje$h0***@news.datemas.de>: > >> Now let's extrapolate a bit: >> In the 1980 ties we were at 10MB for a harddisk. >> Now, say 20 years later, we are at 500 MB. > > Oops, bit of an error, should be 500 GB :-) > So, 50000 x increase in 20 years.... > Extrapolating this means the 10 TB drive must already be on sale this week, > OK lemme google for it: > > http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/seagate-claims-world-record-for-magnetic-recording-density/ > http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=70012 > > hehe about "more space than anyone could possibly need, ever" - plus their reason for it... And Gene's reply to you reminds me of a discussion I had around 1980 with a folk-dance teacher, also a techie. I said that someday our entire folk-dance music repertoire would fit into a 1" cube. He said "No way!". Today my iPod holds more music than his entire folk-dance record collection, but he was right - it's not a 1" cube :-) -- Gene E. Bloch (Gino) letters617blochg3251 (replace the numbers by "at" and "dotcom")
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"Gene E. Bloch" <spamfree@nobody.invalid> wrote in message
news:mn.b3d07d7285645a35.1980@nobody.invalid... > On 2/22/2007, Jan Panteltje posted this: >> On a sunny day (Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:14:30 GMT) it happened Jan Panteltje >> <pNaonStpealm***@yahoo.com> wrote in <erktje$h0***@news.datemas.de>: >> >>> Now let's extrapolate a bit: >>> In the 1980 ties we were at 10MB for a harddisk. >>> Now, say 20 years later, we are at 500 MB. >> >> Oops, bit of an error, should be 500 GB :-) >> So, 50000 x increase in 20 years.... >> Extrapolating this means the 10 TB drive must already be on sale this >> week, >> OK lemme google for it: >> >> http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/seagate-claims-world-record-for-magnetic-recording-density/ >> http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=70012 >> >> hehe > > My favorite part of this (besides the amazement!) was their comment about > "more space than anyone could possibly need, ever" - plus their reason for > it... > > And Gene's reply to you reminds me of a discussion I had around 1980 with > a folk-dance teacher, also a techie. I said that someday our entire > folk-dance music repertoire would fit into a 1" cube. He said "No way!". > Today my iPod holds more music than his entire folk-dance record > collection, but he was right - it's not a 1" cube :-) > > -- > Gene E. Bloch (Gino) > letters617blochg3251 > (replace the numbers by "at" and "dotcom") > > Your prediction was spot on! Here is a one inch cube (actual a .94 inch
cube) 2 GB mp3 player which does exactly what you predicted, and also includes a nice FM stereo radio receiver besides! http://www.mobibluamerica.com/dah1500.html BTW, I find it entirely comical and also ironic that my 1 original post describing the very unique Blackmagic HDMI capture card to these newsgroups resulted in an immediate, violent complaint of SPAM,cross-posting, and bad 'netiquette' by MP, who then goes to post 19 (Yes, nineteen) vulgar, crossposted messages containing little or no information other than childish rants. Now that's what I really call SPAM and really bad net etiquette. Smarty Show quote "Gene E. Bloch" <spamfree@nobody.invalid> wrote in message news:mn.b3d07d7285645a35.1980@nobody.invalid... > On 2/22/2007, Jan Panteltje posted this: >> On a sunny day (Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:14:30 GMT) it happened Jan Panteltje >> <pNaonStpealm***@yahoo.com> wrote in <erktje$h0***@news.datemas.de>: >> >>> Now let's extrapolate a bit: >>> In the 1980 ties we were at 10MB for a harddisk. >>> Now, say 20 years later, we are at 500 MB. >> >> Oops, bit of an error, should be 500 GB :-) >> So, 50000 x increase in 20 years.... >> Extrapolating this means the 10 TB drive must already be on sale this >> week, >> OK lemme google for it: >> >> http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/17/seagate-claims-world-record-for-magnetic-recording-density/ >> http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=70012 >> >> hehe > > My favorite part of this (besides the amazement!) was their comment about > "more space than anyone could possibly need, ever" - plus their reason for > it... > > And Gene's reply to you reminds me of a discussion I had around 1980 with > a folk-dance teacher, also a techie. I said that someday our entire > folk-dance music repertoire would fit into a 1" cube. He said "No way!". > Today my iPod holds more music than his entire folk-dance record > collection, but he was right - it's not a 1" cube :-) > > -- > Gene E. Bloch (Gino) > letters617blochg3251 > (replace the numbers by "at" and "dotcom") > > Smarty wrote:
I find it entirely comical and also ironic that my 1 original post > describing the very unique Blackmagic HDMI capture card to these newsgroups Smarty, you shouldn't waste your time on TinyPeni; he's a nuisance, and > resulted in an immediate, violent complaint of SPAM,cross-posting, and bad > 'netiquette' by MP, who then goes to post 19 (Yes, nineteen) vulgar, > crossposted messages containing little or no information other than childish > rants. Now that's what I really call SPAM and really bad net etiquette. nothing more. He gets off on people responding to his drivel. Best to simply killfile him. -- -- Well, whaddaya know? War WAS the answer, after all. Go figure. A lone Micronaut lost in a world of Star Wars action figures, (The Excessively Parenthetical) Geena-- Worrier Princess "Reciprocity... is the key to every relationship." --LAPD Capt. Dudley Smith (James Cromwell), in L.A. Confidential "Andy Warhol once said that everyone would be famous for fifteen minutes. The unfortunate corollary is that everyone will also appear in a Freddie Prinze, Jr. movie for fifteen minutes." --me "This is like driving a Rolls Royce, naked, in mink underpants." --Tony Bourdain "You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline - it helps if you have some kind of a football team, or some nuclear weapons, but at the very least you need a beer." -- Frank Zappa "I'm not sayin' it's the best thing in the world FOR ya; I'm just sayin' it's the best thing in the world." -- Alton Brown "The most preposterous notion that H. sapiens has ever dreamed up is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of all the Universes, wants the saccharine adoration of His creatures, can be swayed by their prayers, and becomes petulant if He does not receive this flattery. Yet this absurd fantasy, without a shred of evidence to bolster it, pays all the expenses of the oldest, largest, and least productive industry in all history." -- Robert Heinlein I've seen the mobiBLU before, and I think it's a really neat - cure -
package. However, I didn't have the wit to make the connection to my old story. Thanks for alerting me :-) However, we might need more that 2GB to get the whole folk-dance library in, so it might be necessary to wait a few weeks :-) On 2/25/2007, Smarty posted this: Show quote > Your prediction was spot on! Here is a one inch cube (actual a .94 inch cube) I find it interesting to read TP (as Geena recasts it) and the replies > 2 GB mp3 player which does exactly what you predicted, and also includes a > nice FM stereo radio receiver besides! > > http://www.mobibluamerica.com/dah1500.html > > > BTW, I find it entirely comical and also ironic that my 1 original post > describing the very unique Blackmagic HDMI capture card to these newsgroups > resulted in an immediate, violent complaint of SPAM,cross-posting, and bad > 'netiquette' by MP, who then goes to post 19 (Yes, nineteen) vulgar, > crossposted messages containing little or no information other than childish > rants. Now that's what I really call SPAM and really bad net etiquette. > > Smarty to him. I have had friends (?) who do comparable antisocial things, and I wonder how & why people get that way. I'm not learning much about it, in this and other nearby threads, though. <SNIP the rest> -- Gene E. Bloch (Gino) letters617blochg3251 (replace the numbers by "at" and "dotcom") On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 13:12:00 GMT, in 'rec.video.production',
in article <Re: Capture HD video directly from HDMI uncompressed>, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm***@yahoo.com> wrote: Show quote >On a sunny day (Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:02:45 -0500) it happened "Smarty" Someone please correct me if I'm wrong (or if after 24 hours straight><nob***@nobody.com> wrote in <sZydnTCBCcaIwkHYnZ2dnUVZ_rmdn***@adelphia.com>: > >>Blackmagic has introduced a very novel capture card called Intensity for >>$249 which has an HDMI input and an HDMI output connector. It makes the >>impressive claim of eliminating HDV compression penalties by directly >>capturing uncompressed 1920 X 1080 HD video directly from HDV camcorders (at >>least those which have an HDMI output port) as well as from other HD and SD >>video sources. It offers a number of other impressive features as well, in >>particular real-time down-conversion from HD into SD and the ability to sync >>and switch 2 HDV camcorders with 2 cards in a studio setting. It provides >>HDMI output to drive monitors, projectors, etc. Macs and PCs are supported, >>but do require one newer PCI Express slot. It would appear to allow >>off-the-air HD capture external to set-top boxes equipped with HDMI (and >>DVI) outputs. >> >>Since copyright materials could be captured and digitized, the advertising >>plainly excludes protected content, and says the board will not be useful >>for those purposes. >> >>More info at: http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/intensity/ > >Hi, thank you for the interesting posting. >For 1920x1080 @ 25fps I was thinking about the transfer rate for the disk >system that is required. >Let's see: >1920 x 1080 x 25 x 24 (bit per pixel) / 8 = 155 520 000 bytes / second, >is about 155 MB /s (1 244 160 000 bps, or 1.24 Gbits / s) I really do need some sleep), but I believe that it's 4:2:2 not 4:4:4, so it's not 24 bits per pixel. >It seems the disk system will have to be able to do about 200 MB/s sustained. As above.> >Not every harddisk will sustain this, I just looked around at the seagate >site for a usable disk... >It is not an interface issue (SATA or SCSI), SATA goes to 3Gb/s, but more >a drive issue. >Any comments? -- Frank, Independent Consultant, New York, NY [Please remove 'nojunkmail.' from address to reply via e-mail.] Read Frank's thoughts on HDV at http://www.humanvalues.net/hdv/ On a sunny day (Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:01:14 -0500) it happened Frank
<fr***@nojunkmail.humanvalues.net> wrote in <311st2dnv5e53jpop16o3721ticpuec***@4ax.com>: > That may be, but if it is 10 bits luminance, and 10 for each chrominance,>>Hi, thank you for the interesting posting. >>For 1920x1080 @ 25fps I was thinking about the transfer rate for the disk >>system that is required. >>Let's see: >>1920 x 1080 x 25 x 24 (bit per pixel) / 8 = 155 520 000 bytes / second, >>is about 155 MB /s (1 244 160 000 bps, or 1.24 Gbits / s) > >Someone please correct me if I'm wrong (or if after 24 hours straight >I really do need some sleep), but I believe that it's 4:2:2 not 4:4:4, >so it's not 24 bits per pixel. then if YUYV it makes little difference. It is late here too:-) Maybe somebody else knows? True Frank. You are more perceptive even after being without sleep for 24 hours than the rest of us are with normal sleep. The Intensity card does use subsampled chroma components, 4:2:2. The storage estimate is therefore somewhat pessimistic. Smarty Show quote "Frank" <fr***@nojunkmail.humanvalues.net> wrote in message news:311st2dnv5e53jpop16o3721ticpuecgo3@4ax.com... > On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 13:12:00 GMT, in 'rec.video.production', > in article <Re: Capture HD video directly from HDMI uncompressed>, > Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm***@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>On a sunny day (Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:02:45 -0500) it happened "Smarty" >><nob***@nobody.com> wrote in >><sZydnTCBCcaIwkHYnZ2dnUVZ_rmdn***@adelphia.com>: >> >>>Blackmagic has introduced a very novel capture card called Intensity for >>>$249 which has an HDMI input and an HDMI output connector. It makes the >>>impressive claim of eliminating HDV compression penalties by directly >>>capturing uncompressed 1920 X 1080 HD video directly from HDV camcorders >>>(at >>>least those which have an HDMI output port) as well as from other HD and >>>SD >>>video sources. It offers a number of other impressive features as well, >>>in >>>particular real-time down-conversion from HD into SD and the ability to >>>sync >>>and switch 2 HDV camcorders with 2 cards in a studio setting. It provides >>>HDMI output to drive monitors, projectors, etc. Macs and PCs are >>>supported, >>>but do require one newer PCI Express slot. It would appear to allow >>>off-the-air HD capture external to set-top boxes equipped with HDMI (and >>>DVI) outputs. >>> >>>Since copyright materials could be captured and digitized, the >>>advertising &g | |||||||||||||||||||||||
