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Transfer 8mm movies to miniDV, then record to television DVD RecorderI've just purchased a DVD recorder for my television system for $100. It looks like the time is right for me to finally take all my dad's super 8mm family films and transfer them. It will make great presents and a great way to save and watch these films much easier (I hold my breath every 5 years when we take out the old movie projector and hope that the bulb still works). I've got this device I bought at least 20 years ago and never used, I don't think I paid $20 for it. It's as big as a shoe box and you point the movie projector into one end and the camcorder into the side of it. It works with mirros and I'm sure those of you out there with transfer knowledge know what I'm talking about. Questions: Is it better to use this transfer box than to use a white wall / projector screen? I've read that people say to make the image on the wall from the projector as large as possible without losing light. Seems to me that logically, this will make the image on the wall fuzzier and blurrier than if you kept the image size smaller? I have tried a few sample shots yesterday and I have seen the 'flicker' effect on the finished product. On the Sony miniDV camcorder I'm using (a few years old only), there are several setting such as 'sports', 'beach', 'moonlight', etc. Are these the shutter speed settings? If yes, I guess I can use trial and error but I can't seem to find a way on the camcorder to 'manually' set the shutter speed unless these setting are the way to do it. Sorry, no instruction manual available. I guess ultimately, I'm looking for any suggestions from people that have done this already. I agree with some of the posts...I'm not looking for perfection, loook what we're starting with, right? Anyway, after I'm done loading the tapes into the camcorder, it will be a simple process to then record the miniDV tape into the DVD recorder - I think. Thanks, Wayne <wk***@rochester.rr.com> wrote ...
> Is it better to use this transfer box than to use a white wall / Doesn't seem like it would take that long to try it both> projector screen? ways and see for yourself. There is such a variation between the different pieces of equipment (projectors, camcorders) that there is no reliable way to predict this for any specific case. > I've read that people say to make the image on the wall from the Yes, and not only that but the larger you make the picture,> projector as large as possible without losing light. Seems to me that > logically, this will make the image on the wall fuzzier and blurrier > than if you kept the image size smaller? the less bright it is. It is a law of physics that nobody has yet circumvented. > I have tried a few sample shots yesterday and I have seen the Maybe, but I would bet not. You will have to do the> 'flicker' effect on the finished product. On the Sony miniDV > camcorder I'm using (a few years old only), there are several setting > such as 'sports', 'beach', 'moonlight', etc. Are these the shutter > speed settings? experiment yourself with your own equipment. > If yes, I guess I can use trial and error but I can't And since you didn't tell us the make/model of your> seem to find a way on the camcorder to 'manually' set the shutter > speed unless these setting are the way to do it. Sorry, no > instruction manual available. camcorder, if any of us know, we can't help you. > I guess ultimately, I'm looking for any suggestions from people that My prejudice is that I would likely find the flicker to be> have done this already. I agree with some of the posts...I'm not > looking for perfection, loook what we're starting with, right? intollerable from the do-it-yourself method(s) and I would be inclined to send the films to one of the many services that do it professionally. But only you can do the experiment with your particular combination of film, equipment, judgement and expectations. > Anyway, after I'm done loading the tapes into the camcorder, it will Depending on your definition of "simple". :-)> be a simple process to then record the miniDV tape into the DVD > recorder - I think. > I have tried a few sample shots yesterday and I have seen the I found some very helpful information by using the following keywords> 'flicker' effect on the finished product. On the Sony miniDV > camcorder I'm using (a few years old only), there are several setting > such as 'sports', 'beach', 'moonlight', etc. Are these the shutter > speed settings? If yes, I guess I can use trial and error but I can't > seem to find a way on the camcorder to 'manually' set the shutter > speed unless these setting are the way to do it. Sorry, no > instruction manual available. in a Google Web search: 8 mm film sync digital camcorder You can find most recent Sony camcorder manuals in PDF form on the internet. http://www.ita.sel.sony.com/support/dvimag <wk***@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
Show quote news:1170512773.737654.115790@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... Yes, two reasons -- the device defuses the light somewhat, which should > OK, I'm getting on the bandwagon a little late but I'm glad I waited. > I've just purchased a DVD recorder for my television system for $100. > It looks like the time is right for me to finally take all my dad's > super 8mm family films and transfer them. It will make great presents > and a great way to save and watch these films much easier (I hold my > breath every 5 years when we take out the old movie projector and hope > that the bulb still works). > > I've got this device I bought at least 20 years ago and never used, I > don't think I paid $20 for it. It's as big as a shoe box and you > point the movie projector into one end and the camcorder into the side > of it. It works with mirros and I'm sure those of you out there with > transfer knowledge know what I'm talking about. > > Questions: > > Is it better to use this transfer box than to use a white wall / > projector screen? allow for more even illumination, and even a "white" wall will add some color cast. > You can have no more picture information than has been preserved on the > I've read that people say to make the image on the wall from the > projector as large as possible without losing light. Seems to me that > logically, this will make the image on the wall fuzzier and blurrier > than if you kept the image size smaller? film. The size shouldn't matter. At very small picture sizes the projector illumination may be so great as to "blow through" the dark areas, resulting in poor black level. Conversely, at a very large picture size, some dimly-exposed areas may tend to black. You need the "Goldilocks zone," i.e. illumination is just right. > Home movie film is either 16 or 18 fps (if I recall, the former was used for > I have tried a few sample shots yesterday and I have seen the > 'flicker' effect on the finished product. On the Sony miniDV > camcorder I'm using (a few years old only), there are several setting > such as 'sports', 'beach', 'moonlight', etc. Are these the shutter > speed settings? If yes, I guess I can use trial and error but I can't > seem to find a way on the camcorder to 'manually' set the shutter > speed unless these setting are the way to do it. Sorry, no > instruction manual available. silent 8mm, the latter for silent Super8). You need a slow enough shutter speed so that you don't wind up catching a "blank" when the frame is being changed by the projector. When I transferred over my old movie film, I found that 1/30th of a second worked best -- minimal flicker. I'd suggest you experiment. Show quote > > I guess ultimately, I'm looking for any suggestions from people that > have done this already. I agree with some of the posts...I'm not > looking for perfection, loook what we're starting with, right? > > Anyway, after I'm done loading the tapes into the camcorder, it will > be a simple process to then record the miniDV tape into the DVD > recorder - I think. > > Thanks, > > Wayne > Perhaps it is good to see if your camera as a manual setting for focus,
exposure, whitebalance and all that. Then use the longest shuttertime it will give, and keep all setting manual during recording so the camera does not make funny adjustments during the run. When I did this (on a wall), I post-processed the miniDV footage with software that helps equalize the flicker. I forgot what I used, but it is out there and worked OK for me. The better footage you start with, the better the result of course... Good luck Martijn PS I think I used this Virtualdub plugin http://www.compression.ru/video/deflicker/index_en.html wk***@rochester.rr.com wrote: Show quote > OK, I'm getting on the bandwagon a little late but I'm glad I waited. > I've just purchased a DVD recorder for my television system for $100. > It looks like the time is right for me to finally take all my dad's > super 8mm family films and transfer them. It will make great presents > and a great way to save and watch these films much easier (I hold my > breath every 5 years when we take out the old movie projector and hope > that the bulb still works). > > I've got this device I bought at least 20 years ago and never used, I > don't think I paid $20 for it. It's as big as a shoe box and you > point the movie projector into one end and the camcorder into the side > of it. It works with mirros and I'm sure those of you out there with > transfer knowledge know what I'm talking about. > > Questions: > > Is it better to use this transfer box than to use a white wall / > projector screen? > > I've read that people say to make the image on the wall from the > projector as large as possible without losing light. Seems to me that > logically, this will make the image on the wall fuzzier and blurrier > than if you kept the image size smaller? > > I have tried a few sample shots yesterday and I have seen the > 'flicker' effect on the finished product. On the Sony miniDV > camcorder I'm using (a few years old only), there are several setting > such as 'sports', 'beach', 'moonlight', etc. Are these the shutter > speed settings? If yes, I guess I can use trial and error but I can't > seem to find a way on the camcorder to 'manually' set the shutter > speed unless these setting are the way to do it. Sorry, no > instruction manual available. > > I guess ultimately, I'm looking for any suggestions from people that > have done this already. I agree with some of the posts...I'm not > looking for perfection, loook what we're starting with, right? > > Anyway, after I'm done loading the tapes into the camcorder, it will > be a simple process to then record the miniDV tape into the DVD > recorder - I think. > > Thanks, > > Wayne >  |
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