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Will dual-layer DVD die before it's "born?"Seems like with the media still costing $8 each or so, it could be
dead in the water soon with the introduction of Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. How much time does it have before they hit the shelves? Especially considering HD-DVD discs could be as cheap (eventually) as single-layer DVD discs are now. With Blu-Ray, who knows, they are much more expensive to make or will be than HD-DVD discs. -Rich In article <6itq11pikavvqrnmapcemfv5ddf7944***@4ax.com>, n***@none.com
says... > Seems like with the media still costing $8 each or so, it could be No. Dual layer has been around a for years. As long as the millions of > dead in the water soon with the introduction of Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. > How much time does it have before they hit the shelves? Especially > considering HD-DVD discs could be as cheap (eventually) as > single-layer DVD discs are now. With Blu-Ray, who knows, they are > much more expensive to make or will be than HD-DVD discs. > -Rich > stand alone players keep working, it will survive. Single layer blanks took time to come down in price, too. theyak wrote:
> In article <6itq11pikavvqrnmapcemfv5ddf7944***@4ax.com>, n***@none.comShow quote > says... I think his point is will it never become mainstream. Laserdisks were> > Seems like with the media still costing $8 each or so, it could be > > dead in the water soon with the introduction of Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. > > How much time does it have before they hit the shelves? Especially > > considering HD-DVD discs could be as cheap (eventually) as > > single-layer DVD discs are now. With Blu-Ray, who knows, they are > > much more expensive to make or will be than HD-DVD discs. > > -Rich > > > > > No. Dual layer has been around a for years. As long as the millions of > stand alone players keep working, it will survive. Single layer blanks > took time to come down in price, too. around for years, but they never "took off" into the mainstream and were essentially killed by the arrival of DVD. Similiarily will dual-layer DVD recorders survive or will they too be essentially killed off (I.E. never reach mainstream use) with the arrival of Blu-Ray and HD-DVD records which can record more on a single layer than can be recorded on a dual-layer standard DVD. Single layer blanks were able to come down in price (to the point they are now) BECAUSE they became mainstream. If dual-layer is killed off by HD-DVD or Blu-ray then you won't see dual-layer blanks come close to the price of single layer blanks. My response to the OP would be: it depends on how quickly HD-DVD and Blu-ray get onto the shelves at a decent price. The earliest (for the US) seems to be at the end of this year (more conservatively it is thought to be not until early 2006). The longer it takes the more chance dual-layer has to be picked up by the masses. In article <1109259961.825319.103***@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
c64***@hotmail.com says... Show quote > No, again. Every dvd burner sold now is a dual layer. Prices keep > theyak wrote: > > In article <6itq11pikavvqrnmapcemfv5ddf7944***@4ax.com>, > n***@none.com > > says... > > > Seems like with the media still costing $8 each or so, it could be > > > dead in the water soon with the introduction of Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. > > > How much time does it have before they hit the shelves? Especially > > > considering HD-DVD discs could be as cheap (eventually) as > > > single-layer DVD discs are now. With Blu-Ray, who knows, they are > > > much more expensive to make or will be than HD-DVD discs. > > > -Rich > > > > > > > > > No. Dual layer has been around a for years. As long as the millions > of > > stand alone players keep working, it will survive. Single layer > blanks > > took time to come down in price, too. > > I think his point is will it never become mainstream. Laserdisks were > around for years, but they never "took off" into the mainstream and > were essentially killed by the arrival of DVD. Similiarily will > dual-layer DVD recorders survive or will they too be essentially killed > off (I.E. never reach mainstream use) with the arrival of Blu-Ray and > HD-DVD records which can record more on a single layer than can be > recorded on a dual-layer standard DVD. Single layer blanks were able to > come down in price (to the point they are now) BECAUSE they became > mainstream. If dual-layer is killed off by HD-DVD or Blu-ray then you > won't see dual-layer blanks come close to the price of single layer > blanks. > My response to the OP would be: it depends on how quickly HD-DVD and > Blu-ray get onto the shelves at a decent price. The earliest (for the > US) seems to be at the end of this year (more conservatively it is > thought to be not until early 2006). The longer it takes the more > chance dual-layer has to be picked up by the masses. > > falling. Not long ago the DL blanks were 20 bucks each. Now apparenlty they are 8. HD and whatever else don't matter at all. They are completely different technologies. theyak wrote:
> No, again. Every dvd burner sold now is a dual layer. And that's only been the case reletively recently.> Prices keep Actually it does matter. If 6 months from now dvd burners tkae a steep> falling. Not long ago the DL blanks were 20 bucks each. Now apparenlty > they are 8. HD and whatever else don't matter at all. They are > completely different technologies. decline in sales because HD-DVD or BLU-Ray burners are selling like hotcakes, you can kiss any hopes of Dual-layer blanks dropping anywhere near the level Single-layer blanks currently exist at. It all depends on how quickly the new formats over take the existing formats. My bet is that it won't be all that quick (So I don't believe dual-layer is "dead" before it's "born") but the possibility is *there*. In article <1109266855.110617.73***@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
c64***@hotmail.com says... Show quote > CDRs are still being sold aren't they? Who in their right mind would > theyak wrote: > > > No, again. Every dvd burner sold now is a dual layer. > > And that's only been the case reletively recently. > > > Prices keep > > falling. Not long ago the DL blanks were 20 bucks each. Now > apparenlty > > they are 8. HD and whatever else don't matter at all. They are > > completely different technologies. > > Actually it does matter. If 6 months from now dvd burners tkae a steep > decline in sales because HD-DVD or BLU-Ray burners are selling like > hotcakes, you can kiss any hopes of Dual-layer blanks dropping anywhere > near the level Single-layer blanks currently exist at. It all depends > on how quickly the new formats over take the existing formats. My bet > is that it won't be all that quick (So I don't believe dual-layer is > "dead" before it's "born") but the possibility is *there*. > > continue to purchase blank cds? Don't they know there is a format that allows a person to put SOOOOO much more on a disc? Oh wait. There's a USE for cdr blanks. All those untold millions of cd players out there. Kinda like all those untold millions of dvd players out there. theyak wrote:
Show quote > In article <1109266855.110617.73***@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, Yes they are. But there isn't any format that has replaced the CD for> c64***@hotmail.com says... > > > > theyak wrote: > > > > > No, again. Every dvd burner sold now is a dual layer. > > > > And that's only been the case reletively recently. > > > > > Prices keep > > > falling. Not long ago the DL blanks were 20 bucks each. Now > > apparenlty > > > they are 8. HD and whatever else don't matter at all. They are > > > completely different technologies. > > > > Actually it does matter. If 6 months from now dvd burners tkae a steep > > decline in sales because HD-DVD or BLU-Ray burners are selling like > > hotcakes, you can kiss any hopes of Dual-layer blanks dropping anywhere > > near the level Single-layer blanks currently exist at. It all depends > > on how quickly the new formats over take the existing formats. My bet > > is that it won't be all that quick (So I don't believe dual-layer is > > "dead" before it's "born") but the possibility is *there*. > > > > > > > CDRs are still being sold aren't they?...Oh wait. There's a > USE for cdr blanks. All those untold millions of cd players out there. audio. DVD-audio never really took off, so you analogy is FATALLY FLAWED. A more apt analogy would be Beta. Once VHS dominated the video market, Beta died despite having at one time been a close competitor to the VHS and despite it's advatages in video quality. You can even see it with VHS. Now that DVD has dominated the market, VHS is slowly dying away. The only think keeping it going is the hundreds millions of VHS recorders in peoples homes. In 6 months time, there won't be millions (let along hundreds of millions) of dual-layer DVD recorders in peoples homes, so it's death will come quickly *IF* the new format takes hold in that timeframe. Like I said, the longer it takes for the new format to show up on the shelves take hold in the market the less the likely-hood of dual-layer DVD-R. Does anyone know if there are DVD+RW DL blanks available?
Show quote "selaboc" <c64***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1109272613.824164.83020@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > > theyak wrote: > > In article <1109266855.110617.73***@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, > > c64***@hotmail.com says... > > > > > > theyak wrote: > > > > > > > No, again. Every dvd burner sold now is a dual layer. > > > > > > And that's only been the case reletively recently. > > > > > > > Prices keep > > > > falling. Not long ago the DL blanks were 20 bucks each. Now > > > apparenlty > > > > they are 8. HD and whatever else don't matter at all. They are > > > > completely different technologies. > > > > > > Actually it does matter. If 6 months from now dvd burners tkae a > steep > > > decline in sales because HD-DVD or BLU-Ray burners are selling like > > > hotcakes, you can kiss any hopes of Dual-layer blanks dropping > anywhere > > > near the level Single-layer blanks currently exist at. It all > depends > > > on how quickly the new formats over take the existing formats. My > bet > > > is that it won't be all that quick (So I don't believe dual-layer > is > > > "dead" before it's "born") but the possibility is *there*. > > > > > > > > > > > > CDRs are still being sold aren't they?...Oh wait. There's a > > USE for cdr blanks. All those untold millions of cd players out > there. > > > Yes they are. But there isn't any format that has replaced the CD for > audio. DVD-audio never really took off, so you analogy is FATALLY > FLAWED. A more apt analogy would be Beta. Once VHS dominated the video > market, Beta died despite having at one time been a close competitor to > the VHS and despite it's advatages in video quality. You can even see > it with VHS. Now that DVD has dominated the market, VHS is slowly dying > away. The only think keeping it going is the hundreds millions of VHS > recorders in peoples homes. In 6 months time, there won't be millions > (let along hundreds of millions) of dual-layer DVD recorders in peoples > homes, so it's death will come quickly *IF* the new format takes hold > in that timeframe. Like I said, the longer it takes for the new format > to show up on the shelves take hold in the market the less the > likely-hood of dual-layer DVD-R. >
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"selaboc" <c64***@hotmail.com> wrote in message The discs have hovered at $8 for about 8 months now with no decrease (the news:1109266855.110617.73320@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > > theyak wrote: > >> No, again. Every dvd burner sold now is a dual layer. > > And that's only been the case reletively recently. > >> Prices keep >> falling. Not long ago the DL blanks were 20 bucks each. Now > apparenlty >> they are 8. HD and whatever else don't matter at all. They are >> completely different technologies. > > Actually it does matter. If 6 months from now dvd burners tkae a steep > decline in sales because HD-DVD or BLU-Ray burners are selling like > hotcakes, you can kiss any hopes of Dual-layer blanks dropping anywhere > near the level Single-layer blanks currently exist at. It all depends > on how quickly the new formats over take the existing formats. My bet > is that it won't be all that quick (So I don't believe dual-layer is > "dead" before it's "born") but the possibility is *there*. > cheaper Riteks are very poor and don't count). The real problem with DL DVD+R is that with a 45% compatability rate with set tops (I have two new players that won't play video from them) they are simply too unreliable. Alpha wrote:
> The discs have hovered at $8 for about 8 months now with no decrease Funny, I've used the "cheaper Riteks" that are "very poor and> (the cheaper Riteks are very poor and don't count). don't count" yet they work fine here on my Pioneer and several Panasonic player I own. Strangeness indeed. Brian The Demolition Man Little
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"Brian The Demolition Man Little" <a@b.c> wrote in message I did an error check using several programs, and the error rate was much news:G4adndspOc1eVYLfRVn-1A@giganews.com... > Alpha wrote: >> The discs have hovered at $8 for about 8 months now with no decrease >> (the cheaper Riteks are very poor and don't count). > > Funny, I've used the "cheaper Riteks" that are "very poor and > don't count" yet they work fine here on my Pioneer and several > Panasonic player I own. > > Strangeness indeed. > > Brian The Demolition Man Little > higher than even the worst single layer. Also, I could see dye bleeding. Alpha wrote:
> I did an error check using several programs, and the error rate was Strange, I haven't had any such problems with the batch I got. Maybe> much higher than even the worst single layer. Also, I could see dye > bleeding. I'm just damn lucky, or perhaps the batch you got is poor. I've noticed that with Ritech that one set can be great but the next one could be piss poor. Hit and miss indeed. Brian The Demolition Man Little On 2/24/2005 9:40:55 AM, selaboc wrote:
> Actually it does matter. If 6 months from now dvd burners tkae a steep Actually, if the demand drops, so too should the price.> decline in sales because HD-DVD or BLU-Ray burners are selling like > hotcakes, you can kiss any hopes of Dual-layer blanks dropping anywhere > near the level Single-layer blanks currently exist at. -- "No one needs to know about this except you, me and Mr. Soon-to-be- living-the-rest-of-his-short-ass-life-in-agonizing-pain-rapist here." Now playing: "Uriah Heep - Rock 'n' Roll Medley" On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 20:23:44 -0800, Tarkus wrote:
> On 2/24/2005 9:40:55 AM, selaboc wrote: Not necessarily. If demand drops, so will production, and costs per> >> Actually it does matter. If 6 months from now dvd burners tkae a steep >> decline in sales because HD-DVD or BLU-Ray burners are selling like >> hotcakes, you can kiss any hopes of Dual-layer blanks dropping anywhere >> near the level Single-layer blanks currently exist at. > > Actually, if the demand drops, so too should the price. individual disc may actually *increase*. Increased demand usually decreases the price of a product unless there is some limitation on supply. -Jay
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"selaboc" <c64***@hotmail.com> wrote in message Can you buy 2 sided dual-layer DVD+R? If so, what is the maximum capacity news:1109266855.110617.73320@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > > theyak wrote: > >> No, again. Every dvd burner sold now is a dual layer. > > And that's only been the case reletively recently. > >> Prices keep >> falling. Not long ago the DL blanks were 20 bucks each. Now > apparenlty >> they are 8. HD and whatever else don't matter at all. They are >> completely different technologies. > > Actually it does matter. If 6 months from now dvd burners tkae a steep > decline in sales because HD-DVD or BLU-Ray burners are selling like > hotcakes, you can kiss any hopes of Dual-layer blanks dropping anywhere > near the level Single-layer blanks currently exist at. It all depends > on how quickly the new formats over take the existing formats. My bet > is that it won't be all that quick (So I don't believe dual-layer is > "dead" before it's "born") but the possibility is *there*. in GB? Thanks, Norm Strong <normanstr***@comcast.net> wrote on [Fri, 25 Feb 2005 08:26:23 -0800]:
Show quote > One would imagine it's twice the size of a single sider.> "selaboc" <c64***@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:1109266855.110617.73320@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... >> >> theyak wrote: >> >>> No, again. Every dvd burner sold now is a dual layer. >> >> And that's only been the case reletively recently. >> >>> Prices keep >>> falling. Not long ago the DL blanks were 20 bucks each. Now >> apparenlty >>> they are 8. HD and whatever else don't matter at all. They are >>> completely different technologies. >> >> Actually it does matter. If 6 months from now dvd burners tkae a steep >> decline in sales because HD-DVD or BLU-Ray burners are selling like >> hotcakes, you can kiss any hopes of Dual-layer blanks dropping anywhere >> near the level Single-layer blanks currently exist at. It all depends >> on how quickly the new formats over take the existing formats. My bet >> is that it won't be all that quick (So I don't believe dual-layer is >> "dead" before it's "born") but the possibility is *there*. > > Can you buy 2 sided dual-layer DVD+R? If so, what is the maximum capacity > in GB? the possibility is *there*.
> No.> Can you buy 2 sided dual-layer DVD+R? If so, what is the maximum capacity > in GB? RichA wrote:
> Seems like with the media still costing $8 each or so, it could be Dual layer burners just came out and there's going to be a long time> dead in the water soon with the introduction of Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. > How much time does it have before they hit the shelves? Especially > considering HD-DVD discs could be as cheap (eventually) as > single-layer DVD discs are now. With Blu-Ray, who knows, they are > much more expensive to make or will be than HD-DVD discs. before recordable blu-ray or HD-DVD drives are available. - Jordan
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"Jordan" <lu***@earthlink.net> wrote in message Samsung has announced an under $1000 recorder for 4th quarter this year.news:1109278301.871548.111530@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > > RichA wrote: >> Seems like with the media still costing $8 each or so, it could be >> dead in the water soon with the introduction of Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. >> How much time does it have before they hit the shelves? Especially >> considering HD-DVD discs could be as cheap (eventually) as >> single-layer DVD discs are now. With Blu-Ray, who knows, they are >> much more expensive to make or will be than HD-DVD discs. > > Dual layer burners just came out and there's going to be a long time > before recordable blu-ray or HD-DVD drives are available. > > - Jordan >  |
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