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Author
6 Apr 2005 5:59 AM
News
I think my VCR is seeing the DVD signal as an attempt to copy and is
screwing up the picture. The TV I use is an older model and doesn't have RCA
jacks. Is it an RF convrter that will fix that problem??

TIA

Author
6 Apr 2005 11:21 AM
Joshua Zyber
"News" <news_rea***@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:BI6dnXyq_t0y587fRVn-pA@rogers.com...
>I think my VCR is seeing the DVD signal as an attempt to copy and is
>screwing up the picture.

That is exactly correct. The Macrovision copy protection signal from the
DVD player will screw up the picture if you connect to a VCR.

> The TV I use is an older model and doesn't have RCA jacks. Is it an RF
> convrter that will fix that problem??

Yes, go to Radio Shack and buy an RF Modulator. You shouldn't have any
problem figuring out which item you need. It's probably the most popular
thing the store sells. They have "DVD" written on the box in big
letters, and around these parts the stores display them in the windows.
Author
7 Apr 2005 3:29 AM
Tarkus
On 4/6/2005 4:21:41 AM, Joshua Zyber wrote:

> "News" <news_rea***@rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:BI6dnXyq_t0y587fRVn-pA@rogers.com...
>>I think my VCR is seeing the DVD signal as an attempt to copy and is
>>screwing up the picture.
>
> That is exactly correct. The Macrovision copy protection signal from the
> DVD player will screw up the picture if you connect to a VCR.

Not necessarily.  I can watch any DVD through my JVC VCR and the only
time Macrovision kicks in is when I hit Record.
--
"I'll catch this bird for you, but it ain't gonna be easy.  Bad fish!
Not like going down to the pond and chasing bluegills and tommycocks.
This shark, swallow you whole.  No shakin', no tenderizin', down you go."

Now playing: "Robin Trower - Fine Day"
Author
6 Apr 2005 4:30 PM
Biz
Yes, you need an RF modulator.  Available at Radio Shack, or anyplace that
carries av accessories...

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"News" <news_rea***@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:BI6dnXyq_t0y587fRVn-pA@rogers.com...
> I think my VCR is seeing the DVD signal as an attempt to copy and is
> screwing up the picture. The TV I use is an older model and doesn't have
RCA
> jacks. Is it an RF convrter that will fix that problem??
>
> TIA
>
>
Author
6 Apr 2005 4:37 PM
TCS
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 16:30:05 GMT, Biz <biznospam@notatt.net> wrote:
>Yes, you need an RF modulator.  Available at Radio Shack, or anyplace that
>carries av accessories...

You really shouldn't post when you don't have the slightest clue what you're
talking about.

An RF modulator will NOT remove the macrovision crap.  The only way around
it a video input on a TV that is new enough to not barf on macrovision, or
a box like the suma color corrector to remove the macrovision.
Author
6 Apr 2005 4:40 PM
Justin
TCS wrote on [Wed, 06 Apr 2005 11:37:07 -0500]:
> On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 16:30:05 GMT, Biz <biznospam@notatt.net> wrote:
>>Yes, you need an RF modulator.  Available at Radio Shack, or anyplace that
>>carries av accessories...
>
> You really shouldn't post when you don't have the slightest clue what you're
> talking about.
>
> An RF modulator will NOT remove the macrovision crap.  The only way around
> it a video input on a TV that is new enough to not barf on macrovision, or
> a box like the suma color corrector to remove the macrovision.

You're one to talk. An RF modulator will take input from the DVD player
and connect it to the TV using the antenna/cable in cord.
Author
6 Apr 2005 5:00 PM
Rich Clark
TCS wrote:
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> On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 16:30:05 GMT, Biz <biznospam@notatt.net> wrote:
> >Yes, you need an RF modulator.  Available at Radio Shack, or
anyplace that
> >carries av accessories...
>
> You really shouldn't post when you don't have the slightest clue what
you're
> talking about.
>
> An RF modulator will NOT remove the macrovision crap.  The only way
around
> it a video input on a TV that is new enough to not barf on
macrovision, or
> a box like the suma color corrector to remove the macrovision.

Do you have to plug all the holes in your head to keep the sh*t from
leaking out?

To the OP: Ignore this moron. Millions of RF modulators are in service
for the specific purpose you require. It's not about "removing
Macrovision." It's that Macrovision is specifically designed to confuse
the video sync circuits in VCRs; using an RF modulator simply converts
the signal to a "broadcast" type signal your TV's antenna jack can pick
up.

RichC
Author
6 Apr 2005 5:01 PM
theyak
In article <slrnd5841j.m4v.The-Central-
Scrutini***@linux.client.comcast.net>, The-Central-
Scrutini***@p.o.b.o.x.com says...
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> On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 16:30:05 GMT, Biz <biznospam@notatt.net> wrote:
> >Yes, you need an RF modulator.  Available at Radio Shack, or anyplace that
> >carries av accessories...
>
> You really shouldn't post when you don't have the slightest clue what you're
> talking about.
>
> An RF modulator will NOT remove the macrovision crap.  The only way around
> it a video input on a TV that is new enough to not barf on macrovision, or
> a box like the suma color corrector to remove the macrovision.
>
>
>
>


Uh, shut up, eh? An RF modulator takes the vcr out of the loop thus
negating the macrovision effect. He's not talking about recording
movies, just watching them.

Cable/antenna coax in - vcr - rf modulator antenna in - tv. That way the
modulator is after the vcr in the loop.

Now go outside and play.

And to the OP, don't go to RadioShack, you'll pay twice as much as you
need to.  There's a walmart every 2 miles in any direction, and they all
have these things.
Author
6 Apr 2005 5:34 PM
TCS
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:01:58 GMT, theyak <y**@dev.null> wrote:
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>In article <slrnd5841j.m4v.The-Central-
>Scrutini***@linux.client.comcast.net>, The-Central-
>Scrutini***@p.o.b.o.x.com says...
>> On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 16:30:05 GMT, Biz <biznospam@notatt.net> wrote:
>> >Yes, you need an RF modulator.  Available at Radio Shack, or anyplace that
>> >carries av accessories...
>>
>> You really shouldn't post when you don't have the slightest clue what you're
>> talking about.
>>
>> An RF modulator will NOT remove the macrovision crap.  The only way around
>> it a video input on a TV that is new enough to not barf on macrovision, or
>> a box like the suma color corrector to remove the macrovision.
>>
>>
>>
>>


>Uh, shut up, eh? An RF modulator takes the vcr out of the loop thus
>negating the macrovision effect. He's not talking about recording
>movies, just watching them.

How, pray tell, does an RF modulator remove macrovision. 

It doesn't.  If you'd ever used an rf modulator with a dvd player, you'd
know this.
Author
6 Apr 2005 5:53 PM
Justin
TCS wrote on [Wed, 06 Apr 2005 12:34:42 -0500]:
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> On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:01:58 GMT, theyak <y**@dev.null> wrote:
>>In article <slrnd5841j.m4v.The-Central-
>>Scrutini***@linux.client.comcast.net>, The-Central-
>>Scrutini***@p.o.b.o.x.com says...
>>> On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 16:30:05 GMT, Biz <biznospam@notatt.net> wrote:
>>> >Yes, you need an RF modulator.  Available at Radio Shack, or anyplace that
>>> >carries av accessories...
>>>
>>> You really shouldn't post when you don't have the slightest clue what you're
>>> talking about.
>>>
>>> An RF modulator will NOT remove the macrovision crap.  The only way around
>>> it a video input on a TV that is new enough to not barf on macrovision, or
>>> a box like the suma color corrector to remove the macrovision.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>>Uh, shut up, eh? An RF modulator takes the vcr out of the loop thus
>>negating the macrovision effect. He's not talking about recording
>>movies, just watching them.
>
> How, pray tell, does an RF modulator remove macrovision. 
>
> It doesn't.  If you'd ever used an rf modulator with a dvd player, you'd
> know this.

Why are you bringing something into the equation that doesn't need to be
there ?
Author
6 Apr 2005 6:40 PM
Rich Clark
TCS wrote:

> How, pray tell, does an RF modulator remove macrovision.
>
> It doesn't.  If you'd ever used an rf modulator with a dvd player,
you'd
> know this.

Nobody said an RF modulator "removes macrovision."

Macrovision is not triggered by use of an RF modulator.

The millions of people who are using RF modulators to connect their DVD
players to the RF inputs on their TVs will tell you so.

What's wrong with you?

RichC
Author
6 Apr 2005 7:38 PM
TCS
On 6 Apr 2005 11:40:46 -0700, Rich Clark <rdcla***@comcast.net> wrote:

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>TCS wrote:

>> How, pray tell, does an RF modulator remove macrovision.
>>
>> It doesn't.  If you'd ever used an rf modulator with a dvd player,
>you'd
>> know this.

>Nobody said an RF modulator "removes macrovision."

>Macrovision is not triggered by use of an RF modulator.

>The millions of people who are using RF modulators to connect their DVD
>players to the RF inputs on their TVs will tell you so.
Bullsh*t.


There aren't millions.  Probably not even thousands.  Most people connect
their dvd either to a receivers video input or to the tv's video input.

If you'd ever actually used an RF modulator, you'd know that macrovision
f*cks up the picture.
Author
6 Apr 2005 7:53 PM
Thomas Tornblom
TCS <The-Central-Scrutini***@p.o.b.o.x.com> writes:

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> On 6 Apr 2005 11:40:46 -0700, Rich Clark <rdcla***@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >TCS wrote:
>
> >> How, pray tell, does an RF modulator remove macrovision.
> >>
> >> It doesn't.  If you'd ever used an rf modulator with a dvd player,
> >you'd
> >> know this.
>
> >Nobody said an RF modulator "removes macrovision."
>
> >Macrovision is not triggered by use of an RF modulator.
>
> >The millions of people who are using RF modulators to connect their DVD
> >players to the RF inputs on their TVs will tell you so.
> Bullsh*t.
>
>
> There aren't millions.  Probably not even thousands.  Most people connect
> their dvd either to a receivers video input or to the tv's video input.
>
> If you'd ever actually used an RF modulator, you'd know that macrovision
> f*cks up the picture. 
>

I don't think you understand what the problem is.

Macrovision messes with the AGC, Automatic Gain Control, in the
VCR. The AGC is the circuitry that makes sure the tape is recorded at
proper levels.

Feeding a macrovision signal through a VCR makes the VCR constantly
trying to adjust the level, and this signal is then fed to the TV, and
the varying level is seen as brightness changes on the TV.

If you take the VCR out of the loop, then there is no AGC that can
mess things up for you.

There are some older CRT projectors that also contain AGC circuitry,
like the Sony VPH-722 I'm using, so it too is affected by Macrovision,
even with no VCR in the loop. But *very* few, if any ordinary TV-sets
have AGC. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to ever watch a macrovision
signal properly, even when fed through the composite or component
inputs of newer sets.

Using an RF-modulator can be regarded as just another type of cable
and it will be unaffected by Macrovision.

Thomas
Author
6 Apr 2005 8:47 PM
Rich Clark
TCS wrote:

> If you'd ever actually used an RF modulator, you'd know that
macrovision
> f*cks up the picture.

You're wrong, and even a minute's research proves you wrong, plus the
experience of millions (yes, millions) of people proves you wrong, so
there's no further point in even ackowledging your existence.

RichC
Author
7 Apr 2005 2:23 AM
RichA
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 12:34:42 -0500, TCS
<The-Central-Scrutini***@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote:

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>On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:01:58 GMT, theyak <y**@dev.null> wrote:
>>In article <slrnd5841j.m4v.The-Central-
>>Scrutini***@linux.client.comcast.net>, The-Central-
>>Scrutini***@p.o.b.o.x.com says...
>>> On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 16:30:05 GMT, Biz <biznospam@notatt.net> wrote:
>>> >Yes, you need an RF modulator.  Available at Radio Shack, or anyplace that
>>> >carries av accessories...
>>>
>>> You really shouldn't post when you don't have the slightest clue what you're
>>> talking about.
>>>
>>> An RF modulator will NOT remove the macrovision crap.  The only way around
>>> it a video input on a TV that is new enough to not barf on macrovision, or
>>> a box like the suma color corrector to remove the macrovision.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>>Uh, shut up, eh? An RF modulator takes the vcr out of the loop thus
>>negating the macrovision effect. He's not talking about recording
>>movies, just watching them.
>
>How, pray tell, does an RF modulator remove macrovision. 

Speaking of "out of the loop."
-Rich
Author
6 Apr 2005 8:43 PM
Biz
Read the OP.  His old tv doesnt have av inputs, so he tried routing it
through his vcr, but of course that doesnt work due to macrovision.  SO if
you buy an RF modulator, you can connect the dvd player directly to the tv's
RF coax input.  Now dont come back until you have a friggin clue what you're
talking about jackass...

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"TCS" <The-Central-Scrutini***@p.o.b.o.x.com> wrote in message
news:slrnd5841j.m4v.The-Central-Scrutinizer@linux.client.comcast.net...
> On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 16:30:05 GMT, Biz <biznospam@notatt.net> wrote:
> >Yes, you need an RF modulator.  Available at Radio Shack, or anyplace
that
> >carries av accessories...
>
> You really shouldn't post when you don't have the slightest clue what
you're
> talking about.
>
> An RF modulator will NOT remove the macrovision crap.  The only way around
> it a video input on a TV that is new enough to not barf on macrovision, or
> a box like the suma color corrector to remove the macrovision.
>
>
>
Author
6 Apr 2005 11:42 PM
Darkknight
try going to www.videohelp.com on the left hand side of page there is a
link to "Hacks" enter your make and model number into the search engine.
with any luck it'll bring up some hacks for your DVD player to disable
the macrovision,  if there isn't a hack specifically for macrovision
there might be one to make it region 0, sometimes this also disables
macrovision. The hack process is normally just a matter of opening the
DVD drawer and entering a code using the remote control.
Failing all this you can also purchase a video enhancer from most
electronic shops, these generally will get rid of the macrovision
component of the video

regards Doug :)

News wrote:

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> I think my VCR is seeing the DVD signal as an attempt to copy and is
> screwing up the picture. The TV I use is an older model and doesn't have RCA
> jacks. Is it an RF convrter that will fix that problem??
>
> TIA
>
>
Author
7 Apr 2005 3:33 AM
News
Thankyou all Gentlemen...

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"Darkknight" <darkknight***@hotmail.com.au> wrote in message
news:425473de$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
> try going to www.videohelp.com on the left hand side of page there is a
> link to "Hacks" enter your make and model number into the search engine.
> with any luck it'll bring up some hacks for your DVD player to disable the
> macrovision,  if there isn't a hack specifically for macrovision there
> might be one to make it region 0, sometimes this also disables
> macrovision. The hack process is normally just a matter of opening the DVD
> drawer and entering a code using the remote control.
> Failing all this you can also purchase a video enhancer from most
> electronic shops, these generally will get rid of the macrovision
> component of the video
>
> regards Doug :)
>
> News wrote:
>
>> I think my VCR is seeing the DVD signal as an attempt to copy and is
>> screwing up the picture. The TV I use is an older model and doesn't have
>> RCA jacks. Is it an RF convrter that will fix that problem??
>>
>> TIA

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